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# The dominant of the Neapolitan is also what?

Question #106305. Asked by bmrsnr. (Jun 13 09 10:12 AM)

kthnos

The A-flat chord on the first beat is the dominant of the Neapolitan

 Jun 13 09, 11:13 AM
bmrsnr

That statement is only true in the key of C major or minor. If you'll notice, I didn't provide a key, so I'm looking for an answer that is independent of key.

 Jun 13 09, 12:08 PM
queproblema

If I understand your question, the dominant of the Neapolitan is also the minor sixth chord of the tonic.

The dominant of any key is the fifth.

In any key, the dominant (fifth) of the Neapolitan is that triad built, usually in the first inversion, on the minor sixth.

Therefore, in C it would be A flat; in D it would be B flat, etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neapolitan_chord

 Jun 13 09, 8:03 PM
bmrsnr

Also true, but there's a connection that's missing. Perhaps I could phrase my question as:

The dominant of the Neapolitan is also the _________ of the _______.

 Jun 13 09, 8:06 PM
queproblema

So, you don't mean the minor sixth of the tonic?
That would fill in your blanks with "sixth" and "tonic."

Do you mean the dominant of the Neapolitan is the relative minor of the tonic?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Relative_key

 Jun 13 09, 8:29 PM
queproblema

No, duh, it's not a minor. :-(

 Jun 13 09, 8:33 PM
bmrsnr

Think reciprocal relationships.

 Jun 13 09, 9:55 PM
queproblema

Last shot--

It's also the Neapolitan of the dominant of the tonic, viz.:
D flat is the Neapolitan of C; A flat is the dominant of D flat; the dominant of C is G; the Neapolitan of G is A flat.

I think probably all that can be deduced from the above references plus:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominant_chord

There are endless possible relationships here; without filling in one of the blanks I can't figure out what you're getting at.

OK, I think you want:
The dominant of the Neapolitan is also the Neapolitan of the dominant: A flat is both the dominant of D flat and the Neapolitan of G.

Now I've said it twice; I'll quit before I pull all my hair out.... or before Zb throws me out by the remaining hair.

 Jun 13 09, 10:58 PM
bmrsnr

Well done!

 Jun 13 09, 11:35 PM
queproblema

Whew!

 Jun 13 09, 11:55 PM

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