Since 1605 English monarchs have traditionally been crowned at Westminster Abbey, but how many have not and where were they crowned?

MaggieG 5

According to this site all monarchs have been crowned there since the time of William the Conqueror except for Edward V and Edward VIII who didn't actually have coronation ceremonies at all. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westminster_Abbey Nov 02 03, 3:50 PM

TabbyTom

I think "1605" should be "1065," when Harold II was crowned there on Holy Innocents' Day. Since then, the only monarchs I can trace who were not crowned at the Abbey are Edward V and Edward VIII, and they were not crowned at all. Edward VIII abdicated before he could be crowned, and the fate of Edward V is a matter of conjecture: he was probably murdered in the Tower of London. Nov 02 03, 3:59 PM

jemimah

YAY Maggie and thanks to TabbyTom for pointing out my misnake Nov 02 03, 4:07 PM

griffinj

Now I have it. Henry III was crowned at Gloucester by the Bishop of Winchester. Would anyone care to add what else was irregular about the event? Nov 02 03, 10:52 PM

gmackematix

Well Henry III ws nine-years-old and the Barons' War was still going on from John's reign. Nov 03 03, 12:27 AM

TabbyTom

Henry III had a second coronation at Westminster in 1220. This was on the orders of the Pope and was performed by the Archbishop of Canterbury (Source: Dictionary of National Biography). Nov 03 03, 1:44 AM

griffinj

Thanks for the clarification, TabbyTom. that's what happens when one finds the expected answer and goes no further. But I was still wondering if anyone could tell me what was missing from Henry's FIRST coronation that would have been usual for the event. Nov 03 03, 9:08 AM

gmackematix

Did the usual crown fit, what with him being only a little boy? Or did they have one made to measure? Nov 03 03, 11:31 AM

TabbyTom

“In the absence of Stephen Langton, Archbishop of Canterbury, of the Archbishop of York, and of the Bishop of London, the crown was placed on the king's head by Peter des Roches, Bishop of Winchester, in the presence of a small number of bishops and barons; the crown used was a plain hoop of gold, the crown of the kingdom no doubt being out of reach at the moment.” (Dictionary of National Biography) Nov 03 03, 1:15 PM

griffinj

Bravo Tom! Yes, the crown was what I had in mind. I'm still not sure if John had lost it in the Wash or it was inaccessable in London due to the Baron's war. The circlet or diadem used was a piece of his mother's jewlery. Does you most admirable dictionary make any mention of the oil? Though I suppose any priest could consecrate oil. Nov 03 03, 1:56 PM

griffinj

Since the crown scrapped by Cromwell is always described as St. Edward's. I assume it was not part of the treasure lost in the Wash. Nov 05 03, 8:23 AM

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