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    According to a certain individual, it began at sunset, on Saturday, October 22, in 4004 B.C. What was it, and who was the man who made this calculation?

    Question #56965. Asked by lanfranco. (Apr 29 05 4:19 PM)


    dejavucub4

    Irish bishop James Ussher stated that creation began at 6:00 P.M. on Saturday Oct.22 4004 B.C..

    Apr 29 05, 4:57 PM
    lanfranco

    Brilliant, dejavu! And Noah's flood took place in 2348 B.C., and the Exodus in 1491.

    Would that we all could be so certain.

    Or maybe not.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ussher-Lightfoot_Calendar

    Apr 29 05, 5:03 PM
    lanfranco

    P.S. Has anyone spotted the fatal flaw in Ussher's argument yet?

    Apr 29 05, 6:06 PM
    kaylofgorons

    That it's based on the Bible?

    Apr 29 05, 6:10 PM
    lanfranco

    Not at all, but even so, there is a biblical flaw. If Creation began at the moment of sunset (or nightfall, as some accounts of Ussher's argument say), then what is wrong?

    Apr 29 05, 6:20 PM
    MaggieG 5

    Where did the sun come from to set before it was created?

    Apr 29 05, 6:26 PM
    lanfranco

    Exactly, Maggie. Take a look at Genesis 1:1-5.

    Apr 29 05, 6:30 PM
    Arpeggionist

    It says light was created on the first day. There is no mention of sunset before the time of Abraham.

    Also, when would you say Creation took place, upon the first sign of creation (the first day) or the completion of the creative process (sunset on the seventh day)?

    The real flaw is that Ussher was following the fundamentalist interpretation that the world was created 4,000 years before Jesus was born, which is one of many interpretations of time. The Jewish calendar has the first year of Creation some 240 years later, and even we recognize that the Earth (let alone the sun or the rest of the universe) is far older than that.

    Apr 30 05, 12:11 PM
    kaylofgorons

    So the most basic problem with his calculations is that he chose to use the word "sunset" for the beginning of the first day. It says evening and morning, nothing about sunset.

    Apr 30 05, 12:24 PM
    Arpeggionist

    Exactly my point. And a lot of comentators are also very liberal with their definition of the words "evening" and "morning" (the TV guide, after all, has each day start at 6am).

    Apr 30 05, 2:57 PM


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