Somewhere near Jericho, Noah took part in a very early bit of women's lib. Who was this Noah's father and what was the result?

xfacilitatorx

The only thing other than building an Ark that Noah is famous for is his nakedness and drunkenness. Genesis Chap. 9. Or are you refering to Noah the DAUGHTER of Zeloph'ehad who, with her sisters, came before Joshua and the Priests and said "The LORD commanded Moses to give us an inheritance along with our brethren."? Mar 24 06, 3:08 PM

lanfranco

She's got to be the one. This story appears in Numbers 27: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zelophehad Mar 24 06, 3:25 PM

Baloo55th

A Yay for Xfac. Noah and her four sisters stood up and wanted to know why women couldn't inherit when there were no sons. A step in the right direction, as they won the point. Oh, and thanks to Frankie for the link. Mar 24 06, 3:39 PM

xfacilitatorx

This works well also Baloo. http://bibleontheweb.com/Bible.asp http://bibleontheweb.com/Bible.asp xFAC Mar 24 06, 3:41 PM

Baloo55th

It took courage standing up like that - most of the others at the time who had had independent ideas or had argued had gone down with plague, been set on fire or had disappeared into a sudden hole in the ground. Mar 24 06, 5:52 PM

kaylofgorons

I love that story. God's response to the whole situation was encouragement, not rebuke. "The daugthers of Zeloph'ehad speak right: thou shalt surely give them a possession of an inheritance among their father's brethren; and thou shalt cause the inheritance of their father to pass unto them. And thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a man die, and have no son, then ye shall cause his inheritance to pass unto his daughter." How many ancient societies in that area have a law like that? Mar 24 06, 6:07 PM

lanfranco

I disagree, Baloo. If there is one thing that characterizes the Old Testament, it is constant argument, debate, and disagreement. Whatever else the OT represents, it is largely a chronicle of a people and therefore a narrative of earthly, not spiritual, life, and practical concerns -- which is one reason why it is so absorbing. This is a narrative of human survival. And the women in that narrative were by no means negligible or submissive. The power of women, as wives, daughters, sisters, and mothers is a repeated OT theme. Mar 24 06, 6:14 PM

Baloo55th

You read the rest of the account of the Israelites in the wilderness - see how many were killed by plague, fire or holes in the ground. Not to mention having terminal encounters with swords or being zapped by the Ark merely for trying to steady it and stop it falling. Makes the Texas Chain Saw Massacre look like a tea-party. Mar 25 06, 7:40 AM

xfacilitatorx

Frankie. I agree! If you take into consideration all of the really, really, really important persons chronicled in the O.T.. They are women. Eve Rebekah Rahab Jezebel Ruth Sarah Who am I forgetting? All these women played pivotal roles in the existance of mankind. Mar 25 06, 11:12 AM

Baloo55th

ALL the important people? I thought Moses was a feller, not to mention David, Joshua, Elijah, Samuel, Saul, Elisha (but he did have two female bears), Noah (son of Lamech), Jacob, Isaac, Abraham, Joseph, etc. Not knocking the women - they did a lot more then than they were allowed to do in medieval times in the main. Mar 25 06, 2:27 PM

Arpeggionist

It is true that the OT does have some clearly feminist idels among its many stories. That of Tz'loph'chad's daughters is a prime example. It is also one of a handful of times where an ordinary Israelite brings on the regulation of certain laws without God instituting it first. These women wanted to be treated as equals, and (at least in that passage) they got their wish. It is good to remember though that the book of numbers ends with the price for their inheritance - they had to marry within their own tribe (they ended up marrying their cousins). I should also point out that, while spelled the same way in English, Noah of the flood and Noah Tz'loph'chad's daughter are properly pronounced entirely differently. And In Hebrew they are spelled differently as well. The man's name is really Noach, from the Hebrew word for rest or consolation. The woman was named No'ah, from the Hebrew word for movement and wandering. And the land that the women inherited was not near Jericho, but a bit further north, the area of Sh'chem. Jericho was in the tribal boundries of Judah. There were two more boundries to cross before they got to Menasheh. Mar 25 06, 4:20 PM

kaylofgorons

I'd say that many of the important people where men, but women do a pretty good job of being sensible when everyone else has gone crazy. Abigail, Deborah, Jael, "a certain woman" with a millstone (love that story), and even Tamar who showed up her father-in-law. I'll agree with Baloo that there's lots of dying, but I don't really see any of the women causing any of that. Also, many of the characters Baloo mentioned did have imporant relationships with women. (Elisha was cared for by a widow woman, and he raised her son from the dead. There's also the nameless girl slave whose word sent Naaman to see Elisha.) Mar 25 06, 4:31 PM

Arpeggionist

Absolutely, women play very important roles in biblical relationships. And their treated with far greater respect than other religions at the time would give them. Compared with most religions around here at the time, early Judaism was a remarkably feminist code. Women were able to own land, testify in courts, offer sacrifices, and some were judges and prophets. They were not property. While the book of Proverbs does give many a warning concerning the wrong type of woman, the right one is lavishly praised as something to be cherished and respected. Mar 26 06, 3:14 AM

xfacilitatorx

Alright not ALL but a large portion by todays standards. Mar 26 06, 2:52 PM

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