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What was the first coin to bear the date it was minted as part of its design?
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#65308. Asked by davejacobs.
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Arpeggionist
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And what was the date used on his coin?
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zbeckabee
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It was only in 1234 C.E in Denmark that coins were dated according to the current system.
Before that dates were generally based on whichever reign or government was currently in power. Year one began when the ruler took office.
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Arpeggionist
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The first dated coin then dates from long before Jannaeus. But you're referring to Christian counting of years. By the time of the Mishnah (and certainly by the time of the Talmud), Hebrews were already counting the years from what they supposed was the first year after the creation of the world.
In Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy, Joshua and 2 Kings you will find mentions of dates given in years since the Exodus of Israel from Egypt. The last of these is the date of the dedication of King Solomon's Temple in Jerusalem, the year 480 by the book's count. But Solomon didn't mint that year on coins.
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zbeckabee
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That will all have to be taken up with an expert in coins...providing he/she even knows the true answers.
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Arpeggionist
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Well, I know a few experts here who would know (and possibly have access to) the earliest known dated coins. One of them, a Hasmonean coin specialist, lives only a ten minute walk from my humble abode.
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zbeckabee
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Oh man...if you talk to one of them...I'd LOVE to hear what they have to say!!! Your answers really got me to thinking...please let me know what you find out!!!
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davejacobs
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I've seen a lot of references to the dating of coins, but it seems to me they are describing the assigning of a date to its manufacture rather as one might talk about the dating of a statue or painting. It does not mean to say that the coin itself bears a number corresponding to the year of minting.
I have seem in Encyc Britt an illustration of an Austrian coin dated 1486. Perhaps only a picture of a coin with an earier date would satisfy the questioner?
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zbeckabee
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Good point!
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lanfranco
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It would appear that the earliest coin with an Anno Domini date was minted in 1234. This site below, on medieval coinage (picture of the coin in question included), seems rather interesting.
However, I ran into a site on coins from the "reign" of Carausius (a sort of spurious Roman emperor in Britain and Gaul in the late 3rd century CE). He seems to have issued many coins, and at least some are apparently dated by consulship. I'm not a numismatist, so I don't know, but if consulship dating was a custom, and it makes sense to me that it was, then there are probably even earlier Roman coins with such dates floating around.
http://www.medievalcoinage.com/earlydated/1370s.htm
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zbeckabee
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Works for me!
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bloomsby
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In England, anyway, it was standard practice to put a mint mark on all coins until the early 17th century. As this mark changed, usually at least every two years, it also gives an approximate indication of the year. However, it's not the same as a date.
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davejacobs
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Thanks ianfranco for that site that references the Frey catalogue.
It shows a picture of a Spanish 'obol' bearing the date MCCIIII, which is the Spanish Es-Safar date, 1204, corresponding to AD 1166.
Definitely the best-so-far result!
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