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    Inspired by a nearby question, what is the grammatical term for the Toronto Maple Leafs, the team not using 'leaves' as a plural but leafs as a nominal description? I haven't even come across this phenomenon elsewhere but would apply to any team using a word with an irregular plural form.

    Question #86812. Asked by satguru. (Oct 03 07 5:47 PM)


    zbeckabee

    The somewhat peculiar spelling of the word "Leafs" vs. "Leaves" is in actuality grammatically allowable, just as "dwarfs" is an alternative to the spelling "dwarves".

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maple_Leafs#Early_years_.281917-27.29

    Also...See Question #44982

    Oct 03 07, 5:57 PM
    lanfranco

    More than one word has two acceptable plurals in English, though some of these are foreign loan words:


    http://www.editpros.com/news1102.html#FEATURE






    Oct 03 07, 6:14 PM
    queproblema

    I think #44982 gives the correct answer, although unreferenced:

    "In this case Leaf is a proper noun. When making a proper noun plural it is incorrect to change the spelling of the singular name, which is why it is spelled Leafs and not Leaves."

    A reference is almost impossible to find. Here's one, but I disagree with some of the other rules on that page.

    "Don't change the spelling of proper nouns when making them plural."

    http://www.metrokc.gov/exec/styleguide/p.htm


    Here are two examples:

    http://www.thewoolfs.com/

    http://www.philipwolfe.com/post.aspx?id=75

    Couldn't find any "Wolfs."

    Oct 03 07, 6:36 PM
    satguru

    I think queproblema has it, as the Leafs in this case is not a plural and a proper noun. You are not describing a number of individual leaves but a single team called Maple Leafs. I know some people will know the member here who introduced me to the term in the first place back in the old days.

    Oct 03 07, 6:49 PM
    queproblema

    So, what's the term?

    Oct 03 07, 7:17 PM
    satguru

    Search me- I only asked the question!

    I think it's just a particular form of any proper name but as we weren't taught grammar at school the name of that form remains hanging.

    Oct 03 07, 7:27 PM
    zbeckabee

    I think this one is bound to have conflicting answers. Merriam-Webster.com approves of "leafs" as a plural for the noun leaf. Many others only accept "leafs" as the plural for the verb leaf.


    http://mw1.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/leaf

    Oct 03 07, 8:13 PM
    satguru

    Having alternative plurals for nouns is separate, it's only the treatment of proper nouns which are descriptive and not really pluralised as the context refers to a single family whatever the name is. It's only when the name coincides with an irregular verb you simply add an s instead of using the irregular ending as the word isn't being used as a word or actually being pluralised.

    Oct 04 07, 10:08 AM
    zbeckabee

    You lost me.

    Oct 04 07, 4:32 PM
    satguru

    I'm losing myself as well...

    Leafs can either refer to more than one leaf or a family/team 'The leafs'.

    The first either has a regular plural 'leaves' or alternative 'leafs' but all names which would have irregular plurals (leaf, wolf, child etc) would all just add an s if referred to as a collective proper noun. This is a grammatical rule unrelated to non proper nouns.

    Oct 04 07, 5:47 PM


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