izzy50
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you could have a point there ,,
Reply #161. Dec 28 11, 8:26 AM
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| rosalie1
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Reagen and Eisenhower
Reply #162. Jan 18 12, 3:46 PM
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| merrijig
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I am an Aussie, but if I were American, my favorite US president would be Bill Clinton, The guy had style !!!
Reply #163. Mar 21 12, 12:49 AM
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| Greatguggly
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Not much class, though.
Reply #164. Mar 26 12, 3:41 AM
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| REDVIKING57
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Like it!
:))
Reply #165. Mar 26 12, 4:48 AM
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scrumpyT
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Grover Cleveland - have you seen his moustache - awesome!
Reply #166. Apr 06 12, 10:15 PM
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eyhung
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Mine's Lincoln. Reading about what he did and how he managed people in a time of great crisis, truly amazes me.
Reply #167. Apr 07 12, 2:37 AM
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| C30
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IMO Abraham Lincoln was fortunate to "hold all the Aces", his opponent Jefferson Davis however nearly achieved the impossible.
Reply #168. Apr 07 12, 7:47 AM
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boxjaw
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Jefferson Davis was never a president. President of what? An illegal government? Davis was a buffoon compared to Lincoln.
Lincoln never held 'all the aces'. He had a 'full house', and made Davis throw away good cards and fold.
Regardless of the 'hand'. Lincoln would have won any cards dealt.
Reply #169. Apr 07 12, 12:37 PM
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| C30
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Boxjaw............when your opponent starts off with no army, no navy, few factories capable of manufacturing needs, and is outnumbered 5-1, wouldn't you posses a few advantages?
As to "Illegal Government" that merely depends upon from who's viewpoint........became very close to achieving Independence, inspite of all the odds stacked against it. IMO it took an exceptionally good AMERICAN "President" (if you claim he wasn't one), to achieve that. I have the utmost admiration for Mr. Davis.
Reply #170. Apr 07 12, 1:16 PM
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| trojan11
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Might be worth pointing out that J. Davis never did 'fold'. He wanted to continue the war right to the bitter end (even 'tho that end had already been reached). He was captured whilst on the run, and put chains at Fort Monroe. In spite various humiliations, he remained always a steadfast believer in what the south had fought for during the civil war.
Reply #171. Apr 08 12, 11:35 AM
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boxjaw
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I for one, am sure glad that the Union was protected and preserved. Something General R.E. Lee understood with much more clarity than Davis did.
Reply #173. Apr 09 12, 11:27 AM
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boxjaw
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As well as Lincoln.
Reply #174. Apr 09 12, 12:06 PM
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| C30
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Box..........certainly the pros and cons of secession have long been debated by those far more qualified to do so than I.
Frankly I couldn't care less about legalities, I have always admired Jefferson Davis and no amount of pro-Union views are likely to alter that one jot.
With that we had best drop the subject as we will never agree about this and will idc upset moderators.
Reply #175. Apr 10 12, 7:52 AM
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boxjaw
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We won't of course upset the moderators. So C30 why do you admire Davis? You never really explained that.
Reply #176. Apr 10 12, 8:12 AM
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| Greatguggly
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Poor Millard Fillmore--the Rodney Dangerfield of presidents.
Reply #177. Apr 10 12, 8:58 AM
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| C30
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Box..........admirer of the underdog? Someone who dared to attempt the impossible, and darn near pulled it off? Frankly though, can't really give a coherent answer........I just do! I am wrong side of 70 now, I first "discovered" Davis when I was about 12 years old..........I guess I'll stick!
All pretty puzzling, when you realise I am English, not American myself!
To me, he qualifies for this thread, by being both American
and a President (even if you dispute his legality, 1.5 Million of your countrymen did not)........he has always been a "hero" of mine.
Reply #178. Apr 10 12, 9:17 AM
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boxjaw
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C30....Are there any biographies of Davis that you can recommend? Maybe I can glean something of the man that has passed over me.
Reply #179. Apr 11 12, 8:53 AM
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| C30
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Box..............couple you might try:-
"Jefferson Davis, American" by William J. Cooper
or/and
"Jefferson Davis, The Man and his hour" by William C. Davis (don't know if author related though).
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