Just to let you know that last week at this time the view from my windows was of snow-covered ground, snow-covered roofs. Today, except for patches in excessively shady areas, not a trace of snow. It disappeared in a mere two days! I don't remember when that last happened before the middle of March. Times past, we had snow on the ground until April at least and sometimes May!|
Reply #161. Mar 15 10, 11:56 AM
The quicker we get global warming up here in Scotland, the better.|
I do believe that this is an "El Nino" year.
Reply #162. Mar 15 10, 8:43 PM
Unfortunately whenever people quote weather (ie short term phenomena) it's always dismissed as such, including our incredibly long lasting and frequent snows this winter which are also something very rarely seen in London. Once in every seven years on average, we've just had three in a single year.|
But whenever it's warmer than usual Al Gore's babies all shout with a single voice 'global warming!'. Either weather counts or it doesn't (technically it doesn't, it's got to be a rolling average over months or more) and if not then warmer weather events are only added into the whole season, and not quotable on their own. At least our snow was a collection of events though which I'd have thought more likely to count.
Reply #163. Mar 15 10, 9:05 PM
We don't refer much to global warming here, Sat. We generally refer to climate change, and by and large, sitting at the top of the world, nearer to the north pole than most, that's what we're tending to see. |
Right now, our maple trees are being tapped for sap - two weeks earlier than last year, which was earlier than the year before, which was earlier than the year before that! Time was maple sap didn't run until the end of April. No snow now, and none in the forecast (although, being a Manitoban of longstanding, I'm not putting my parka in storage just yet) and temps above normal.
Our farmers - Manitoba has a large agricuktural sector - are down in the dumps because we did not get enough snow this past winter and we depend on snow here on the prairies to ensure that dust bowls don't result!
Reply #164. Mar 17 10, 9:58 AM
There's a complex history behind the terms used, and the subtle change appears to be traced to George W who apparently didn't want to alarm people. But climate change is the length of a piece of string. It is actually an abbreviation of 'climate change due to global warming', nothing is different and as climate always changes those who insist on using the term in the media are saying absolutely nothing. They may as well say something like population change. What does that imply?|
Reply #165. Mar 17 10, 12:03 PM
Population change means less for all, if the change to which you refer means ever-increasing numbers. We're up to six billion plus now and there doesn't seem to be any indication that the birthrate is going to fall off any too soon! |
You might want to look north, though, Sat. The north has been referred to as the canary in the coal mine when it comes to climate change or global warming or whatever you want to call it. Climate and conditions are changing quickly up here.
Reply #166. Mar 17 10, 1:56 PM
Rider to my previous post: Winter roads in Northern Manitoba have been closed after only six weeks of operation because of weakening ice conditions. The winter roads are usually open from the end of January to the end of April. Not so this year, and this isolates 20 First Nations communities which rely on ice roads to truck in supplies like food, building materials and so on. Food can be flown in, but the cost of flying in building materials is prohibitive.|
The river trail, the world's longest outdoor skating rink, has closed on the Assiniboine River in Winnipeg - again because of weak ice. We can usually skate outdoors at least until April.
Reply #167. Mar 17 10, 3:40 PM
BIG, I just read the "Proust Questionnaire" that Emma Thompson filled out for Vanity Fair magazine. When asked about her idea of paradise, she responded something like "a heat wave in Scotland." (I think she lives there at least part of the time.)|
Reply #168. Mar 17 10, 4:00 PM
I'm sorry I caught you out on the population change Cym, as you picked up it meant increase. Of course it can mean anything as climate, population and just about everything else changes. What people choose to read into vague terms isn't meaningful where the term itself isn't.|
As for the climate currently in the north, I suppose we count here in the UK as we're on the same latitude as Canada. We've had the coldest winter for ages (no number but it's a big one), as has much of Europe next door. So does our cold cancel out your lack of it? That's just our own experience east of you, but if you want the ice figures for the Arctic then if you add them all together (where they can actually be measured, as satellites only read coverage and not thickness) it's pretty much as before, especially when you add in the ice opposite in the Antarctic.
The politicians and media carefully find the glaciers melting the fastest, except due to the nature of water they melt and freeze over a few months so even the snapshots mean little compared to an annual total figure. www.iceagenow.com among others claims this is pretty stable long term and can't see why others say otherwise (well they can but not scientifically). We've discussed the polar bears, and besides hunting they can swim 100 miles or so and have actually coped with ice shrinking and growing longer than we've been doing it. And when we leave an ice age (as we are now) then the poles are expected to gradually lose the ice totally.
This is claimed to be increased by CO2, but the longer the numbers come in (and are so well hidden you virtually need to be a hacker to find them) it all shows little beyond the usual. That does not make news, raise taxes or encourage change. But if anyone can contradict the one link I've given I can look for more, and they basically offer the composite ice figures over decent periods of time rather than looking at hot spots which demonstrate nothing at all in the main picture. It would be impossible to produce such consistent data year after year by universities worldwide who dare to mention figures not endorsed by the IPCC if the ice sheets were melting 'too fast'. You cannot have two sets of opposing figures unless you're in 1984. If not then one set has to be wrong. People must use their own intuition and perception to decide which is which, but sooner or later the wrong ones will die and leave us with a single set we can trust totally. Till then I must keep finding the data few dare to mention.
Reply #169. Mar 18 10, 8:28 PM
I'm visiting my sister in Des Moines, Iowa. Two days before the beginning of Spring, temperatures plunged into the 20's and we got four inches of snow. Global warming marches on.|
Reply #170. Mar 21 10, 2:27 PM
In Arkansas, our welcome to spring, is one foot of snow. We very seldom get snow at all, but for the first day of spring, it is unheard of.|
Reply #171. Mar 21 10, 2:43 PM
I think if we use snow coverage it also has to be a world picture, and just from the sample here it's pretty clear what Canada has lost has appeared elsewhere. Like the ice sheets it's not really vanishing, just moving around. But if it's not melting then it ain't warming.|
Reply #172. Mar 22 10, 2:41 PM
It will be interesting if we see a Tambora-sized volcanic eruption which will render the entire debate moot. |
Reply #173. Mar 22 10, 3:26 PM
Some time in the future, a black hole will devour us all!|
Reply #174. Mar 22 10, 3:40 PM
People attach too much significance to our species. We're just a bad rash on the Earth, nothing more. |
"Civilization exists by geological consent, subject to change without notice." -- Will Durant
Reply #175. Mar 22 10, 3:55 PM
Global warming aka climate change aka coffer filling.|
If scientists can prove it, with the facts at hand, remember we have hundreds of years of records now, why don't they? Too many if's and buts, for my liking. Too much concentation being placed on recent years. We've had cold and warm spells before. When someone like Al Gore, a bandwagon jumper, can get a Nobel Prize for spreading the word, and governments can make a killing on tax, we are doomed. As much as the population 2,000 years ago were told they were doomed unless they believed in what was being preached was gospel. Climate change is the new religion, you better believe in it, or else.
This is all about money, no more, no less. When you think about things in that light, what scientists and researchers are going to be listened to the most? Those who's "studies" can encourage more government income, or those who's "sceptisism" dissolves all hopes of more money for governments? The media also has it's part to play in all this charade. Advertising space needs to be sold. The bigger the headlines, the higher the sales. Going back a few years we had the hole in the ozone, someone must have darned it over. Not a peep about it now.
Reply #176. Mar 23 10, 6:40 PM
"Going back a few years we had the hole in the ozone, someone must have darned it over. Not a peep about it now."|
" This is all about money, no more, no less. When you think about things in that light, what scientists and researchers are going to be listened to the most? Those who's "studies" can encourage more government income, or those who's "scepticism" dissolves all hopes of more money for governments? "
....And the Stock exchange traders
Reply #177. Mar 23 10, 9:32 PM
Its actually a very nice place Daver and in one of the smaller country towns of the UK... one of the new universities set up in the 1960s (I think)...|
Its nearest neighbour, Cambridge, is probably more credible.
Reply #179. Mar 24 10, 10:39 AM
Norwich has certainly put itself on the map now, although few people outside Britain would have a clue where East Angular (to quote the late Jade Goody) is let alone Norwich. And like police and parliamentary enquiries you may as well have 12 members of your family on the jury. But truth is unique and can't be hidden forever however hard they try.|
Reply #180. Mar 24 10, 1:19 PM
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