| sherry75
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Given up the will to live now...
Reply #81. Feb 14 10, 1:34 PM
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Cymruambyth 
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If cold kills, how come there are still Inuit living on the Arctic Circle? Lie down, you silly Inuit, you're dead!
Reply #83. Feb 14 10, 3:05 PM
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| sherry75
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I reckon the polar bears are commiting suicide too... all a fiendish plot..+
Reply #84. Feb 14 10, 3:41 PM
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| sherry75
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I'm sorry, but I find it very hard to believe that the whole of the climate change research has been carried out by one Professor at the UEA...
Daily Mail.... hmmmm suss rag..
Reply #85. Feb 14 10, 3:43 PM
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satguru
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The professor at the UEA is just one link in a massive chain. Al Gore is generally responsible for the whole thing since it was borrowed from his college professor who later retracted it. He saw an opportunity to make a fortune from the film which both allowed him to create carbon trading and get a Nobel Prize. Pretty good going to make him rise from a millionaire to a billionaire.
As for the Jones interview, although it was reported by the Mail (and hopefully most other papers) was carried out by the great friends of GW, the BBC. Now please don't shoot messengers, it smacks of desperation...
Reply #86. Feb 14 10, 4:23 PM
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| 1cyprus
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I never said it was all carried out by him Sherry, but this hockey stick graph is from his work and is used in most GW studies and claims.
Whatever your thoughts of the Mail, they are reporting a BBC interview.Is the Beeb a sus rag too?
Reply #87. Feb 14 10, 11:19 PM
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| sherry75
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What exactly is your gripe Sat: that someone is making money out of climate change, that some research scientists bent the rules (nothing new there in research communities), that we are questioning your post - surely that is what a debate is all about.
I would question anything the BBC or the sensationalist press put out - but make my own evaluation... am far more likely to believe those who actually experience the changes, i.e. Australian or Canadian members who are on the spot...
Really could do without being patronised.
Reply #88. Feb 15 10, 2:14 AM
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| 1cyprus
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Indeed, i agree Sherry.I draw my own conclusions too.
However going on what people in Australia or Canada are saying now, is taking a very short timeline and using localized events to explain a global occurance.
Australia has had many other heatwaves with forest fires etc in the past.Canada will have had unseasonably warm periods in winter months before too.
Don't get me wrong, i am not someone who insists global warming is a myth.I just think the biggest driving force is the Earths natural cycle.After all, we here in the UK could be in for one of the coldest years for a long time couldn't we?
Reply #89. Feb 15 10, 3:49 AM
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channe
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I'm getting the gist of this now I think. "Man" is not to blame, it's all nature's fault. Just carry on regardless because we can't affect what happens. Pollute the waterways, pollute the air, kill the wildlife, exterminate whole species while in the pursuit of food, fur coats and aphrodisiacs, clear all forestation because, hey, we have to have, well, I'm not sure, but those forests are going down like nine-pins so it must be important, and the crux of it all is that we, homosapiens, don't have any impact on the world because Mother Nature is bigger and stronger than we are.
Whew, what a relief.
It's ostrich heaven!
Reply #90. Feb 15 10, 4:36 AM
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| 1cyprus
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Entertaining little annecdote Channe, but where did i say that?
Reply #91. Feb 15 10, 4:42 AM
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channe
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What makes you think I'm talking about you?
Reply #92. Feb 15 10, 4:53 AM
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| sherry75
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Cannot but agree with Channe there and, also, wasn't referring to you either Cyprus... Maybe Al Gore has made a few millions but at least it's in the pursuit of a cleaner planet, whereas the billions earned by pure greed and ignorance seems to be the driver these days...
Reply #93. Feb 15 10, 5:02 AM
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| 1cyprus
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The whole lot up to and including..
"Mother Nature is bigger and stronger than we are"
Right after i posted that "the Earths natural cycle is the biggest force"
But nowhere did i say the only force, or that we humans make no difference.
Reply #94. Feb 15 10, 5:04 AM
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jonnowales
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Sigh. Why do people assume that if one doesn't believe in AGW they are all for polluting the planet?
I am very much for a cleaner environment and this obsession with the CO2 molecule is of detriment to that.
Reply #95. Feb 15 10, 5:14 AM
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| sherry75
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Sigh away young man... occasionally a little knowledge is a very dangerous thing... come back to me in 10 years and tell me you still feel the same.
Agree Cyprus.... but, I will reiterate, I was not particularly referring to your posts, just the constant barage of sanctimonious lecturing by armchair scientists.
Reply #96. Feb 15 10, 5:24 AM
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| 1cyprus
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I didn't take your entire posts to be aimed at me sherry, the parts we have discussed are quite clear.
Reply #97. Feb 15 10, 5:31 AM
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channe
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Apologies Jonno and Jon. I didn't mean it to sound that I believed you all to be enviro-trashers Jonno but the arguments against global warming seem to hinge on the suspect scientific data published by a certain UK establishment and Al Gore's involvement. ?!
Jon, please read back through the previous posts to find that you are echoing other people's sentiments, which doesn't make them right or wrong, it just means that I disagree, and you happened to be the last poster to put them. I wasn't targeting you. It's the whole mind-set that I have a problem with. Can we agree to disagree?
Reply #98. Feb 15 10, 5:33 AM
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| 1cyprus
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Indeed we can agree to disagree channe and yes i do realise i'm not the only one on here who thinks GW is over exaggerated.
My main disagreement with it, is we are basing it on a very short timescale.At points in it's history the Earth has been everything from a complete ball of ice, to having no ice whatsoever.
With the ice at the poles we are still in an ice age, but history says that will end(as it has before)regardless of human actions.
All the money governments may throw at stopping GW will eventually be in vain, isn't it better to use it to prepare for the innevitable?
Finally, i am all for recycling, using less of the Earths resources and even replanting the entire Amazon rain forests if need be, i just dont go along with the doom mongers saying it's all our fault!
Reply #99. Feb 15 10, 5:47 AM
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jonnowales
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"Really could do without being patronised." - Sherry75
"Sigh away young man... occasionally a little knowledge is a very dangerous thing...come back to me in 10 years and tell me you still feel the same." - Sherry75
Don't ask to be treated in a manner that is different to how you treat others. Age is a number, please don't cling on to it as the be all and end all of debate, curiosity and knowledge.
Channe - no need to apologise at all, everyone is entitled to an opinion on this issue, it is our experiences that shape our opinions and as things stand AGW isn't proven nor is it disproven and I guess we can agree to disagree. :) It is a lovely day here today and I'm going to be stuck in labs for four hours of it! Hope you have a better day lined up!
Reply #100. Feb 15 10, 5:48 AM
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