| JBCizzle
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That's like Courtland Finnegan who aims to be the dirtiest player in the league.
Reply #362. Jan 24 11, 2:36 PM
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| wayman71
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"If they were spying on the other team's signals or something, then that's different."
Who's to say they weren't? If they cheat one way and get caught one time, do you honestly believe that's the extent of it? That's like saying Mark Mcgwire only used steroids in 1998. The asterick is on his WHOLE career now, so I think the Jets should have an asterick on their whole season.
Reply #363. Jan 24 11, 3:36 PM
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| wayman71
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Anton, did you read the whole article or just the title?
''I don't want to injure anybody,'' Harrison said. ''There's a big difference between being hurt and being injured. You get hurt, you shake it off and come back the next series or the next game. I try to hurt people.''
Reply #364. Jan 24 11, 3:38 PM
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AntonLaVey 
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Yes, I read the whole thing. To say that there is a difference between hurting someone and injuring someone is ignorant at best.
There is also this little part of the article that proves my point:
"I thought Cribbs was asleep," Harrison said. "A hit like that geeks you up, especially when you find out the guy is not really hurt, he's just sleeping. He's knocked out but he's going to be OK."
Just how ignorant is Harrison? How did he know Cribbs was going to be ok? Being knocked out can lead to huge problems. Harrison is nothing but a thug in pads. Too bad Harrison will never be on the other end of all of this. This punk needs to be kicked out of the league for purposely trying to hurt people, and anybody who sticks up for his play needs to have their head examined.
Reply #365. Jan 24 11, 4:11 PM
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AntonLaVey
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But hey! Cribbs was just sleeping, right?
Reply #366. Jan 24 11, 4:14 PM
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| wayman71
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So you think the game should become sissified? That every hard hit should be met with a fine? So, is it safe to assume you're against hockey fights and checking too? They are contact sports. Players know the risks when they take the field or ice. That's why they make the big bucks. I'm not condoning skull crushing hits, just saying it's part of the game - always has been. Anton, you wouldn't cheer or get a thrill out of someone on your team laying a big hit on another player?
Reply #367. Jan 24 11, 4:26 PM
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BxBarracuda
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On another note, a question for the Bears fans.
The media seem to be overblowing the reaction to Jay Cutler sitting out and how he didn't seem "that hurt".
As Chicago Bears fans, are you more troubled by the questions about Cutler's toughness or that the offense scored more points with another quarterback in the game, and would you like to see this new quarterback start next year?
Reply #369. Jan 24 11, 5:41 PM
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| JBCizzle
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Wayman, the Jets weren't the team that was caught taping video signals. So your Mark McGwire example doesn't apply unless you're trying to imply that the Jets staff trips players on the sidelines on a regular basis, and only got caught the one time, and in that case, you may have a small point.
That said, I have no idea where you get the idea that the sideline tripping incident results in a asterisk on the entire Jets season. The Jets lost that game they cheated in. Unless you can prove that the Jets cheated in many games AND that the cheating directly resulted in Jets winning games that they'd otherwise lose, then you'd lose that argument every time. I'll give you the fact that the particular trainer at hand is a cheater, but you can't say that it changed the result of the game, and you can't say that there should be an asterisk next to the Jets record.
Reply #370. Jan 24 11, 7:54 PM
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| JBCizzle
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As for the James Harrison debate, I think that you're both right (and both wrong). On one hand, Harrison is clearly one of the dirtiest players in the league (outside of maybe Cortland Finnegan and Hines Ward) and Harrison should have been suspended for many incredibly dangerous and unnecessary hits.
However, there is a huge difference between hurting and injuring. Hurting lets the other person know you're there and may put a little fear in your game for the remainder of the game, but injuring is very serious and tends to result in missing many games. So Wayman has a point on Harrison's quotes, but Anton is right about Harrison's reckless playing style and inconsequential nature towards serious injury.
Reply #371. Jan 24 11, 7:57 PM
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AntonLaVey
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But, when a player is in the heat of the game, how is he going to know to let up just enough as to not injure the other player? Intentionally hurting a player can turn to injuring a player in a split second, thus can't be differentiated.
Reply #372. Jan 24 11, 8:13 PM
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illiniman14
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"As Chicago Bears fans, are you more troubled by the questions about Cutler's toughness or that the offense scored more points with another quarterback in the game"
Definitely the latter. After watching how many times Cutler has been sacked over the last two years, the absolute last thing I would question is his toughness. We were horribly stagnant on offense and at halftime the defense played well enough so that we could have been right in it had the offense done anything.
"and would you like to see this new quarterback start next year?"
No, no, and a thousand times no. I've seen Kyle Orton, Rex Grossman, Brian Griese, Chad Hutchinson, Kordell Stewart, Henry Burris, Craig Krenzel, Jonathan Quinn, Chris Chandler, Jim Miller, Shane Matthews, Cade McNown, Steve Stenstrom, Moses Moreno, Erik Kramer, and Rick Mirer try to play QB. Before the season I optimistically predicted the Bears to go 9-7, so watching a QB lead the team to the NFC Championship game I want to keep around.
Reply #373. Jan 24 11, 8:21 PM
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| JBCizzle
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"But, when a player is in the heat of the game, how is he going to know to let up just enough as to not injure the other player? Intentionally hurting a player can turn to injuring a player in a split second, thus can't be differentiated. "
I don't buy that. There are clear regulations on head to head hits and how to tackle. A professional who dedicates his life to the sport should know the difference. There is a clear difference between sending a message and intentionally trying to take someone's head off. I agree with you that James Harrison may not know the difference, but I don't believe that nobody in the NFL knows the difference.
You're right that intentionally trying to hurt someone can lead to injuries, but that does not translate to intentionally hurting someone and injuring someone being correlated.
Reply #374. Jan 24 11, 10:28 PM
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daver852
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When Johnny Unitas was playing quarterback for Colts, a defensive player deliberately stomped on his hand, breaking the middle finger in two places. He had the trainer tape up the injured finger (which was on his passing hand) with part of a tongue depressor to keep it straight, and not only finished the game, he won it with a touchdown pass two plays later. Now that's tough.
I think the Steelers will have a very easy time with the Packers. Steelers by 14.
Reply #375. Jan 26 11, 3:33 PM
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AntonLaVey
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Give me the Packers and 14? I'll take some of that action any day of the week.
Reply #376. Jan 26 11, 4:29 PM
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| JBCizzle
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I'd take that bet every day and twice on Sunday.
Reply #377. Jan 26 11, 5:25 PM
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daver852
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Wise gamblers give no more points than necessary. Take advantage of delusional Packers fans now.
Reply #378. Jan 26 11, 7:22 PM
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AntonLaVey
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Wise gamblers know that Green Bay has opened as the favorite. Now, if you have Green bay as two touchdown dogs, what does that make you, Daver? LMAO
Reply #379. Jan 26 11, 7:54 PM
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| JBCizzle
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I'd almost (emphasis on almost) take Green Bay on a neutral line, but with 2 touchdowns that makes it icing on the cake, or money in the bank.
Reply #380. Jan 26 11, 7:58 PM
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