Aussiedrongo 
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Is there any particular reason for this? It sounds as though any other sports quiz is o.k., just not challenges and I assume commissions. Should I remove the quiz I submitted late yesterday FT time from the queue or might the editors attend to it considering we weren't aware of this request beforehand?
Reply #1. Jul 26 11, 9:46 AM
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kyleisalive
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This was something that I discussed with gtho4 over a month ago in regards to a couple of issues we were having with challenges showing up in the queue.
If I were in your shoes, I'd send a message to gtho4 just to make sure things are going smoothly. I trust that you'd make a quality quiz, by all means, but it's not a category I'm comfortable with by any stretch and I don't know their mindset when editing submissions. Your quiz is already in the queue--there's no point in not submitting and going through the process. If there's an issue it will be brought up, as normal, through the correction notice system or via a personal message.
As I said, it's always a good idea if you're unsure to send them a message (they don't bite), challenge title or not. If you have a really good idea with a challenge title and it would be great for the Sports category, they just want the heads up in case it goes a bit too far from the types of quizzes they want.
This is not aimed at any one person in particular.
Reply #2. Jul 26 11, 9:52 AM
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Aussiedrongo
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O.K. Kyle, I've sent a note to gtho4 but I don't feel overly confident that this quiz will survive. Is it possible to create a new category for such quizzes? Maybe the 'Limbo' category.
Reply #3. Jul 26 11, 10:46 AM
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rossian
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I'm not sure I understand the problem, Kyle. Can you clarify what it is the editors are unhappy with? I can't see why a challenge title would be different from any other, provided the quiz is well written. I'm hoping they don't just want 'Manchester United' or 'Toronto Blue Jays' type quizzes.
Reply #4. Jul 26 11, 10:51 AM
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BxBarracuda
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From personal experience I know that there have been some issues with challenge titles in the Sports category for at least a couple of years now, it's not new, just not widely known before now.
A large hole in the Sports Category was recently created on the Editors side and I think handling Challenge quizzes, or any added burdens on the editing side, would just make things that much tougher to get back to normal.
I don't think it will be too hard to make some adjustments and be understanding.
Reply #5. Jul 26 11, 11:21 AM
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George95
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My elementary quiz is set to be submitted that way, but it only has only about 2 questions finished.
What is the problem? I known Nightmare has left the site, but is there another issue?
Reply #6. Jul 26 11, 11:23 AM
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kyleisalive
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Hopefully, gtho4 will be able to shine a bit more light on the situation but from what I understand, the Sports category is looking for quizzes that follow a more simple approach.
As I said, I don't write in the Sports category so I'm not sure exactly what's being looked for. I was asked politely to avoid placing challenge quizzes in the Sports category, but I'm one for the 'write what makes you happy' field and I hope that sports and challenge quizzes can be looked at, at least on a case-by-case basis, even if that means checking in with the editors every once in a while.
Rossian-- like you, I'm not one to enjoy straight-forward 'this team, this season' type of of quizzes; I'm much more inclined to play the rare Sports quizzes I do play when they follow the themes like we have here.
Re: "Is it possible to create a new category for such quizzes?"
-I wouldn't expect this; one thing editors ask is 'where would players expect to find this quiz?' Adding a limbo category would be a bit complicated unless the quizzes were about limbo itself (which would be kind of cool).
Reply #7. Jul 26 11, 11:36 AM
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kyleisalive
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Re: "I don't think it will be too hard to make some adjustments and be understanding."
Nor do I.
Reply #8. Jul 26 11, 11:39 AM
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rossian
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I didn't realise Nightmare was no longer around, and can see that this would cause a problem. I still think the request needs clarifying, though. I have written 11 sports quizzes, 5 of them from Nightmare's challenge earlier this year, and it seems only 3 fit the rather vague criteria now laid down. If the editors are overwhelmed, then a request to regular lounge authors not to submit to the sports category at all for the time being might be better. I find the 'threat' that a perfectly well written quiz could be rejected out of hand because of the title unacceptable.
Quite honestly, this has 'rattled' me. It's not as if I have any plans for quizzes in sport at present, but it still feels a bit like a slap.
Reply #9. Jul 26 11, 12:18 PM
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gtho4
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BxBarracuda is correct, this is not something new. Quiz titles, where the link to sports is obtuse or tangental, will not be accepted.
If you think there is a need to write to a sports editor for clarification, then you've answered your own question. If you have to "stretch" the title to engineer questions that fit the sports category, again you've answered your own question. As I told kyleisalive, think of plain vanilla type quizzes; it needs to be a sports quiz per se. Some examples of acceptable sports quizzes:
- They Died In Action
- Always The Bridesmaid
- Break a Leg
- A Full House
- Unique Achievements
- One of a Kind
- I Was There
- Forever In Our Memory
- They Came Home Second
etc. etc.
(As you can tell, from looking at those titles, I'm an accountant; not a poet.)
aussiedrongo,
I've got your message. Your quiz will stand as you were unaware of the rule; it wasn't made clear to all and sundry. I discussed it with ozzz2002 last night and we're happy to let it ride.
Reply #10. Jul 26 11, 3:49 PM
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kyleisalive
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Thanks for responding, gt. I hope this puts some minds at ease.
If I've got it right, players can still submit challenge quizzes to Sports as long as the titles and questions are more closely linked to the Sports category?
Reply #11. Jul 26 11, 6:36 PM
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guitargoddess
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So it's really more an issue with vague titles, not really a case of not wanting more creative type quizzes?
Out of somewhat related curiosity, does the no-more-than-five-words for quiz titles still stand in Sports?
Reply #12. Jul 26 11, 6:50 PM
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gtho4
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[] [] players can still submit challenge quizzes to Sports as long as the titles and questions are more closely linked to the Sports category?
yes, but remove the three two words "more closely linked" and replaced them with "about". If it's not about sports, if it's obtuse or goes off at tangent and/or it's intertwined with something else, the quiz won't get to first base.
[] [] it's really more an issue with vague titles, not really a case of not wanting more creative type quizzes?
Where have I said creative type quizzes are banned from sports? What's not acceptable is intertwining rats and mice, or vampires, with sports, and expecting it to go online in the sports category.
(as stated above, the quiz by Aussiedrongo will not be rejected)
[] [] does the no-more-than-five-words for quiz titles still stand in Sports?
yep, nothing's changed. It was there when Quizzyland started in March 2000, and it was there when I became an editor in August 2000. How it's enforced is another matter .. I've probably placed some six worders online over the years, but I doubt I've placed a seven worder online.
Reply #13. Jul 26 11, 9:14 PM
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rossian
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Thanks for the clarifications, gtho4. This makes more sense to me now than the 'don't submit challenge titles to sport' ban which we started with. Among my titles are 'Flying to the Boundary' about cricketers with bird related names and 'They Glide With Their Boots On' about rugby union wingers (oops, 6 words) but the content is definitely about sportsmen and relevant to the title. So I'm assuming that these would still be OK under the new 'rules'?
Reply #14. Jul 27 11, 12:25 AM
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gtho4
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yep, they're fine as they're sports quizzes per se.
ditto a quiz entitled "They're a Tiger" (say), which is about teams with that name, such as Balmain Tigers, Castleford Tigers, Cincinnati Bengals, Richmond Tigers, Detroit Tigers etc. .. without any reference to Panthera tigris and their habitat, or whatever.
Reply #15. Jul 27 11, 1:41 AM
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rossian
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Thanks again. The feathers are no longer ruffled and the hackles aren't raised any more.
Reply #16. Jul 27 11, 1:57 AM
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Rowena8482
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Just a wee thought - could the "five words" thing be actually added to the category writing guidelines for Sports please? I know this has come up before sometimes, but it's not actually there. Authors (not me personally) have sometimes only found out about it after a quiz was written and submitted, and sent back because of it, and it has been a bit of a "shock" to them.
Reply #17. Jul 27 11, 2:08 AM
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salami_swami
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I had no idea about quite a few of these rules that have been rules since the beginning. I was unaware of the 5 word limit, to be sure.
My two questions, though, are:
Why are those that you listed acceptable titles? Some of them I can't figure out how they relate to sports at all just by the title.
Also, why does this rule only effect sports quizzes? Shouldn't movies, or music, or hobbies, or any other category quizzes get the same treatment?
Reply #18. Jul 27 11, 8:02 AM
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salami_swami
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Now that I think about the title length, though, makes sense why my quiz "I'm Nuts for Making a Baseball Quiz" was changed to "I'm Nuts Making a Baseball Quiz." That way it was 6 instead of 7 words. I never thought anything of it, since I wasn't told why the change or anything. ;-) lol.
Is it just sports that the title length applies?
Reply #19. Jul 27 11, 8:09 AM
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guitargoddess
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"[] [] it's really more an issue with vague titles, not really a case of not wanting more creative type quizzes?
Where have I said creative type quizzes are banned from sports? What's not acceptable is intertwining rats and mice, or vampires, with sports, and expecting it to go online in the sports category."
Sorry, I didn't mean to say you'd said that, I was (poorly) referring to some of the comments above about just plain, straight (often boring) "what team, what player" kind of questions. Your clarifications are appreciated and make this whole thing clearer!
Reply #20. Jul 27 11, 2:38 PM
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