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Either something or someone has always existed or something materialized from nothing. Like you said, our tiny minds can't comprehend either scenario. Both seem like magic to us so I don't understand why it's "easier" to believe in one or the other.
Reply #101. Sep 04 12, 2:43 AM
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Maybe simply the theory of evolution is the answer to how and not to why (e.g. god's intervene). Being a scientist doesnt mean that you are not religious.
Reply #103. Sep 24 12, 6:05 PM
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| Greatguggly
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Yes, I agree. Well said.
Reply #104. Sep 25 12, 12:36 PM
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daver852
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I'm officially neutral on this, but there are a lot - and I mean a lot - of problems with the Theory of Evolution. It's not as cut and dried as most people believe. You should watch Ben Stein's movie, "No Intelligence Allowed," to get a nice presentation of arguments from the other side.
Reply #105. Sep 25 12, 4:17 PM
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kaddarsgirl
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There are also a ton of problems with Creationism.
Reply #106. Sep 25 12, 4:51 PM
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| Greatguggly
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The fact that this is a question that man cannot and will not ever be able to answer, to me, points to a higher being. Nothing I can prove obviously, but to me it's not about proof, it's about faith. This also relates to what gkaz4 said, even if it were proved that the first matter of any kind appeared spontaneously, how would that disprove God's existence? For the sake of argument...the Big Bang happened...maybe God did it.
Reply #107. Sep 25 12, 7:55 PM
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kaddarsgirl
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I know that I will never be able to comprehend how there was nothing and then suddenly there was something. This is something I have thought about for ages. Personally, this is the biggest issue I have, theologically speaking: the creation of something from nothing. It's quite possible, in my mind, that there was "God" in the sense that "God" is something that jump started the process. This "God", however, the way I think about it, is nothing like God from the Bible. And honestly, I don't like the idea that someone like the Biblical God could exist. He's vengeful and ruthless. He wiped out all life on Earth (except Noah's family and those animals, which is another issue I have altogether, and will not get into here). Also, if such a God existed, why would he create Satan and cast us out of Eden? I have a much easier time believing that something, call it what you want, started it all and everything after that happened logically as a result of the initial creation, than I do believing that everything was "intelligently designed" by some creator.
Reply #108. Sep 25 12, 8:38 PM
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| Greatguggly
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It's old hat but I like the saying that "God works in mysterious ways". He created the universe in a way that we can't figure out and so His thinking is far beyond our understanding. I think that 'rule' also applies to the disasters etc..that you mentioned. He simply had His reasons and we don't understand them (yet). What men are doing by questioning these occurrences is applying man's logic to them. I think there are all sorts of things that happen constantly, good, bad or indifferent that He has a reason for that we don't understand. All of these occurrences are for the eventual greater good as horrible as they may seem. Also, with our limited capacity for understanding, we see death as an ending and a horrible occurrence. God doesn't see it that way and tells us not to. That's why I truly don't fear death, though I must admit I'm a little concerned about HOW it might happen. That'll be the big one there, boy.
I know that some people would say that what I just said is a cop-out, that what we don't understand is dismissed as God's incomprehensible plan. I don't see it that way. Just as we don't understand the beginning of time and matter, we don't fully understand God's course of action. I think it's intentionally hidden from us, possibly for our own protection.
Many people focus on God's vengeance etc...but ignored all the love, compassion, forgiveness, and mercy in God's word. People will say things like, "If there's a God why does he allow children to suffer etc...". That's man's free will and Satan causing the suffering. Men have been given a choice and, for the most part, have chosen or been tricked into choosing Satan. He, Satan, is ruling the world now but not for long. He'll be put back in his hole.
All that said, I'll admit it's hard to understand why, if God is all knowing, He would create Satan in the first place, giving him the free will He gave us and knowing he would eventually rebel and wreak havoc on the Earth. Part of testing man's free will is all I can figure. Without struggle there is no calm. It's baffling to try and understand, I admit, but I believe there are reasons for everything. I refuse to believe we are here by chance and that the puzzle pieces just fell perfectly into place randomly. I refuse to believe our struggle here is for naught. Some may think those beliefs may eventually be proven wrong. I doubt it and I'll be dead by then anyway. God knew we wouldn't fully understand all these things and that's why the words "faith" and "believe" are such an integral part of His word. Make any sense? I have faith that it does (:
Reply #109. Sep 26 12, 2:17 AM
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| Greatguggly
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A baby is terribly injured in a car accident. God gets the blame for allowing it to happen. That baby, given no chance to survive by doctors, somehow does. The doctor gets the credit for saving the child.
Reply #110. Sep 26 12, 2:22 AM
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trojan11
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Death? Forget the ending and just enjoy the journey.
Reply #111. Sep 26 12, 7:09 AM
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romeomikegolf
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I think this topic has gone about as far as it can without crossing FTs boundaries.
Reply #112. Sep 26 12, 8:23 AM
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