Blackdresss 
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John? Can you tell me/us where you got this information?
Reply #1. Nov 13 11, 4:40 AM
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Johnsnow
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Reply #2. Nov 13 11, 9:36 AM
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demurechicky
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With regards to to the ELO rating system, it has been reset previously. Everybody starts on 1500 again, and the better players will be at the top on no time at all. The problem with the rating system is that it doesn't take into account the fact that not all of the top ranked players choose to play as many games, which is their prerogative. I do believe from the forum thread that Terry will be putting something in place with regards to this.
I really don't see the reset as a problem, it was always the intention that it be reset, plus it gives newer players the chance to play on an even keel, instead of playing catch up.
Reply #3. Nov 13 11, 11:33 AM
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Does anyone know a cure for “SOUR GRAPES”...?
If you don’t like the way things are ... well, there is an option!
Reply #4. Nov 13 11, 12:32 PM
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Prison
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Hmm.
The main complaint seems to be that people are not able to pass the highest rated players due to inactivity of leaders. But FMI was used as an example. FMI is an anomaly because there's barely anyone playing in the Champions Division at all. The reason no one can pass the leaders is because there's barely anyone to gain points from, not just because of inactive leaders. The FMI on average has far less players than the other hourlies which is why it's so hard to gain any rating points. In other games (Speed Demon, Who's the Smartest) it's much easier to shoot up the ratings because there's more people to beat.
Furthermore, even if there is a reset, it doesn't help the newer players. The top players will race up again and the points that they gain will come at the cost of the newer players who aren't as good. The idea of an even keel doesn't really exist because people have different speed and skill levels. In fact, the players on the bottom will be on the bottom again soon enough because they will lose even more points than the current situation. For example, in the Speed Demon game, I have a rating of 2175. If I beat someone at 1500, I barely gain any points. However, if they beat me, then they gain more points. Sounds fair. But, if I was suddenly reset to 1500, I'm still faster than the 1500 people. Meaning I gain more points from them (and they lose more) because there's less of a difference between our ratings. If newer players want to level the playing field, they should find ways to make themselves better/faster.
And honestly...people saying that I'll be back to whatever rating I was before in no time...no. 2355 games to get to where I am in Speed Demon. Terry said something along the lines of "we should appreciate the competition" by resetting. I do appreciate the competition. Come beat me.
Reply #5. Nov 13 11, 12:33 PM
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Johnsnow
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Well said, Prison. A great point you stated was the 2155 games you have played. That is a ton. That was basically my concern when I started this thread. All the time I put into POC as a Champion will be wasted. I went from unranked to #14 in about a year. With the main goal trying to beat Prison and others ranked higher than myself. I know I'm not the best POC player out there, but I can hold my own. Like Prison said, find a way to make yourself better. Lord knows I've been trying to.
Oh, I think the "Sour Grapes" comment was for me. Put in the time and actually become a Champion.
Reply #6. Nov 13 11, 10:07 PM
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Blackdresss
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Thanks for the link, John. I kind of try to stay out of Forums. It is just rife for getting into trouble, unless I sit on my hands! It's my own fault -- I'm too opinionated in there.
Please don't overreact, but I thought the "sour grapes" comment was uncalled for. John has worked hard to get where he is, and his concerns seem valid to me.
Prison is another one of our few "forces of nature," and he's not a great player by accident. He's a great player because he's a great player. And he plays a LOT.
I learn something new in trivia every day, generally more than just one something.
The only way I have ever gotten good, or even just better at anything that involves competition is by playing against someone better than me. If I play against someone at my level, I plateau. If I play against someone not quite as good as I am, I suppose I help them, but it doesn't really help me to advance. (Think: Racquetball.) But if I play against someone a click or two or three above me, I play so much harder and so much smarter, because I have to, and consequently, I begin to improve. Losing to someone who plays better than you do isn't necessarily a bad thing. It's all a big learning process, and there is always that learning curve, and we all have to break on through to the other side.
I appreciate players like Prison, and John, and all the truly great players I see every time I look at my own average, because they give me something to work toward.
Thanks for the good information in this thread! It's helped me already.
Reply #7. Nov 14 11, 2:35 AM
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_Morpheus_
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((I do appreciate the competition. Come beat me.))
OK, if you promise to miss one or two after engaging the warp drive.
Reply #8. Nov 27 11, 2:51 PM
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terraorca
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Please forgive me if I don't understand what all the fuss is about, but did I see someone advise us to stop playing because the ratings are going to be reset? I can't speak for the rest of you, but I play for three reasons (1.fun, 2.competition, 3.keep my old mind sharp). Don't get me wrong, I'm as competitive as the next guy, but as Clint Eastwood once said so eloquently "A man's got to know his limitations".
My body gave out from all that racquetball back in the day. My rating is 'alive', enough said. Thanks for the forum.
Reply #9. Dec 22 11, 7:16 PM
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ssabreman
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This probably belongs here...after his earlier comment.
We have now entered the new 'jet' age of PoC as Morpheus flies through on a 737...7.37 seconds, that is.
Fasten your seatbelts.
Reply #10. Feb 21 13, 9:23 AM
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hickorystick
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I want to know if you serve cheese with your whine!!
Reply #11. Mar 06 13, 10:11 AM
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LollyLegs1
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hickorystick...you took the words out of my mouth...well said !!
Reply #12. Mar 09 13, 7:15 AM
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LollyLegs1
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Johnsnow .....get off your horse and smell the roses....do you ever take time to see the sun set ? Really make time to see what's around you ??
Is this 'game' all you have ???
Reply #13. Mar 09 13, 7:20 AM
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dippo
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Don't you think 18 months is a bit of a long time to leave it before you criticise someone's post?
Reply #14. Mar 09 13, 7:43 AM
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Johnsnow
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Wow, Hickory and LollyLags are correct. This game IS all I have. I never realized that there is more to life than staring at a computer or, (gasp), having an opinion. It's a fortunate thing I raise my children right, provide a marvelous life for my family, all the while in pursuit of my bachelor's degree in CJ. I just don't know what I would do if I could not play POC. My life would be incomplete, the sun would go down on me, and my horse would starve. Yes, the cheese and wine is flowing. Come get you some. It's funny you say "make time to see what's around you", when you obtained almost 5000 points yesterday, and I got 1500. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. Sheesh. I would like to thank you both for your concerns, and if you guys would like to add something meaningful to the ELO discussion, I'm sure other participants interested in said ELO colloquy would take your comments in high consideration. Otherwise it reeks of derision...
BTW. Great observation Dippo...
Reply #15. Mar 09 13, 11:30 AM
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