kyleisalive
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Hipsters follow hipster rules; a wave of nonconformity is still utter conformity.
Reply #41. Mar 20 12, 2:14 AM
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| Mariamir
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Um. I guess it's something like people think elves are mischievous little creatures, but Tolkien makes them sad and majestic, right?
Reply #42. Mar 20 12, 2:17 AM
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| Mariamir
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Re: Hipsters follow hipster rules; a wave of nonconformity is still utter conformity.
That doesn't really make sense, but I see your point. :)
Reply #43. Mar 20 12, 2:19 AM
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kyleisalive
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Re: "Um. I guess it's something like people think elves are mischievous little creatures, but Tolkien makes them sad and majestic, right?"
--You got it!
Re: "That doesn't really make sense, but I see your point. :)"
--All I mean is that 'hipster' is just another style where everyone involved tries to rebel from current norms, but the fact that everyone involved is involved in the first place only legitimizes it as a new norm. I like my pants to reach my ankles (at least) and my glasses to be from this decade. I also don't care if you've never heard my music; underground or not. Darn hipsters. ;)
Reply #44. Mar 20 12, 2:22 AM
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| Mariamir
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Got it. Great. :)
Reply #45. Mar 20 12, 2:26 AM
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highfells 
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Mariamir said "Bother, I meant "then" not "than"."
Actually, your "than" is correct.
I am intrigued by this then/than phenomenon: how does the confusion arise? Is the transatlantic pronunciation of the two so similar that speakers confuse the different meanings? Please enlighten me!
Reply #46. Mar 20 12, 2:43 AM
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| Mariamir
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Oh. All I know is that "then" is an adverb(?right?) and has the meaning of "and then" and "than" is a comparison "greater than, less than..."
Reply #47. Mar 20 12, 3:44 AM
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| Mariamir
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I think the confusion is because people got the definitions mixed or thought "then" was used for both meanings.
Reply #48. Mar 20 12, 3:46 AM
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Creedy
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Re: "obviously those long toothed idiots aren't up to standing all night below a lady's balcony"
Unless she's a lady dentist :)
Reply #49. Mar 20 12, 4:05 AM
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CellarDoor
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Use "then" when you're saying one thing happened after another, or follows from another. For example: "I poached an egg and then salted it." Or "If I leave home without my umbrella, then it will surely rain!"
Use "than" when you're comparing things. For example: "My fantasy KO slate made more than a hundred dollars." Or: "I see no reason not to go to the moon, other than the lack of atmosphere." You're comparing your reasons to the lack of atmosphere by saying they're "other" than that, or different from that.
Highfells, as a USian, I definitely pronounce both "than" and "then" in exactly the same way (rhymes with a female chicken). Are you telling me that the words sound different in your neck of the woods?
Reply #50. Mar 20 12, 4:34 AM
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highfells
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Absolutely, CellarDoor!
In British English, "then" is pronounced to rhyme with "hen", but "than" rhymes more closely with "man"... unless, of course, one uses Received Standard English pronunciation (like what the upper classes does), in which case "than" sounds more like "thairn" and is slightly closer to the sound of "then" which then sounds like "thehn".
It's all rather confusing really!
Reply #51. Mar 20 12, 5:51 AM
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highfells
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And, just to confuse the issue further, in a phrase like "X is bigger than Y", many UK English speakers almost lose the vowel sound in "than", so that it ends up sounding more like "thuhn" but with an almost non-existent "uh" sound.
Reply #52. Mar 20 12, 6:03 AM
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| Daaanieeel
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I certainly don't consider myself 'hipster', however I do really love lots of the music hipsters like. And I also don't like a lot of 'mainstream' music, but not because it is considered 'mainstream', but because I don't like it. That is as far as it goes. I don't dress hipster, nor shun anything 'mainstream'. Some of my friends call me a hipster, but that is because they really don't know much about being a hipster. In fact, they know next to nothing. In case you're interested, I have a quiz on the go named "Indie Music for Non-Hipsters", exploring the world of music hipsters love.
Reply #53. Mar 20 12, 7:11 AM
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kyleisalive
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I feel the same about music-- indie music is great. Unlike hipsters, however, I don't mind if other people enjoy them.
Reply #54. Mar 20 12, 11:34 AM
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CellarDoor
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That's totally fascinating! I've definitely heard American-English speakers drop the vowel in "than", but it's more common to drop the TH also, so you end up with something like "bigger'n the Sears Tower" with a tiny "uh" where the apostrophe goes.
I guess we've wandered pretty far afield, but on the other hand, issues of pronunciation and language changes are very Shakespearean!
Reply #55. Mar 20 12, 4:05 PM
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| Daaanieeel
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"I feel the same about music-- indie music is great. Unlike hipsters, however, I don't mind if other people enjoy them."
Definitely. In fact, I'd love it if people stopped assuming it is terrible and took the time to listen to it and form their opinions on what they hear. Everyone I talk to about indie music automatically assumes it is bad because I like it (they also laugh at the fact I have The Beatles and Beethoven on my iPod. Grow up).
Reply #56. Mar 20 12, 5:19 PM
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| Mariamir
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Normally, Americans pronounce the then and thans the same, but some add the "a" sound.
Reply #57. Mar 20 12, 5:34 PM
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Creedy
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To pronounce or renounce, that is the question
Reply #58. Mar 21 12, 2:32 AM
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| Mariamir
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Renounce what? Grammar?
Reply #59. Mar 21 12, 2:48 AM
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Creedy
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Pronunciation
Reply #60. Mar 21 12, 4:43 AM
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