The number one reason the death penalty should not exist. |
In my opinion, the intentional killing of anyone by anyone is a crime. And does the 'reward' of revenge outweigh the disaster of putting an innocent man down? No way.
Reply #1. May 16 12, 3:13 PM
I doubt it happens very often but once is too many times and it couldn't happen if the death penalty was banned. |
Whether they be condemned criminals, unborn children or people in a vegetative state, I don't think we should be in the business of killing. What about war? War should always be the last resort and should be carried out only if more lives would be lost otherwise.
Reply #2. May 17 12, 9:19 AM
I think the American legal system su*ks worse than a Celine Dion cover version of "Whole Lotta Love"|
Reply #3. May 17 12, 10:04 AM
Yes, once is too many. |
Perry Mason and his ilk have a lot to answer for. They've convinced generations that there is always a maverick policeman or a maverick inspector or a maverick barrister who will arrive at the truth within 59 minutes including adverts.
Rick, please. Nothing is worse than Celine Dion. (IMHO!)
Reply #4. May 17 12, 10:37 AM
Yeah, she's awful.|
Reply #5. May 17 12, 11:13 AM
How did we digress to discussing Celine Dion? There are many guilty criminals who walk because our system does NOT want to put an innocent person to death. Unfortunately, there will be no perfection in any justice system, but abolishing the death penalty in all states wouldn't hurt!|
Reply #6. May 17 12, 5:11 PM
Thankfully, as many know, we don't have the death penalty here. Not many "developed" nations do. So that when the justice system 'screws up', wether because of incompetence or worse, there is someone to free from jail. Just ask Sam Hallam. Unfortunately, "justice" came too late for Sam's father, who couldn't handle the 'unsafe' conviction of his son for murder in 2005. He committed suicide 15 months ago.
Reply #7. May 17 12, 5:50 PM
It is better to let ten guilty men go free than to condemn one innocent man. And in fact I'd extend that infinitely - the death of one innocent is enough to warrant an abolition of the death penalty, in my opinion. If you ask me, state-sanctioned murder is still murder and it's something I can never agree with.|
Reply #8. May 17 12, 7:20 PM
daver. That's troubling indeed. That's justice. The father did the thing that any father should have done. Rightfully so in fact. But in the context of this thread it has no relevance.|
Being executed for a crime one didn't commit is what we're discussing here.
"Don't let the courts get involved"? What does that mean.
Reply #10. Jun 21 12, 7:35 AM
Hmmmmm.... So, in Texas it's open season on people that are only 'alleged' to have committed a crime?|
That's totally wrong, wrong, wrong!
Reply #11. Jun 21 12, 9:59 AM
Point well taken SisterSeagull. |
Reply #12. Jun 21 12, 10:43 AM
From what I have read, the father found the culprit in the act of molesting his five year old daughter.|
Hearing his daughter's screams, he ran in that direction and came across a man forcibly carrying his daughter to a secluded area. The child's under garments were were pulled down and she was in great distress. The father thumped the molester with his fists around the head and neck.
He used all the force at his command to protect his child, as any parent should be entitled to do.
That, of course, has nothing at all to do with a nation or state using the death penalty; but everything to do with a human being being allowed to use ultimate force for their own self protection and the protection of their family.
Reply #13. Jun 21 12, 11:21 AM
Maybe that is the difference here... The father thumped the perpetrator around the head and neck, not once, twice or three times which would probably have been enough to remove his daughter from immediate danger and disable the perpetrator to the extent that the police could have been called, but he literally beat him to death with his bare hands... I'm not defending anybody that commits crimes against children, especially sex crimes, but have they not heard of reasonable or minimum force in Texas?|
The legal system is there to punish the individual, not 'mob rule' and vigilantes... There was a case here in the UK in the 1990's where a man, who had just moved into a new area, was dragged from his house and almost beaten to death by a mob of angry parents because they thought he was a paedophile - he was, in fact, a paediatrician!
Have I drifted off topic?
Reply #14. Jun 21 12, 12:13 PM
No, I don't think that you have, SisterSeagull. It is a very valid point. But this is not a case of cold blooded vigilante mob vengence; nor is it a question of state sanctioned execution/murder. The case in question here, is that of a father coming across the immediate and awful horror of finding, seeing, his totally defenceless child being sexually molested, deliberately being harmed and violently abused by a rampant sexual predator. |
Have any of us yet arrived at the almost divine state where, in just such an incidence, we might say? "Oh, that third punch was enough. Perhaps I'd better back off now."
Or would we be more inclined to an uncontrollable fury?
I think that the father did well enough in calling the police and remaining at the scene. But that is only my opinion.
Reply #15. Jun 21 12, 1:20 PM
Any nation state that permits extra-judicial killings is equally wrong.|
Reply #16. Jun 21 12, 2:00 PM
I'd like to make an exception for mass murderers and/or terrorists and their supporters who could potentially end up as ransom for innocent hostages but without a confession you'd need completely overwhelming evidence to sentence anyone to die. And I don't think the possibility of that scenario alone should be enough to drastically alter the system. |
Reply #17. Jun 21 12, 3:55 PM
Our outrageous litigious society is to blame for stuff like this. More gimme, gimme, gimme. Way too many people in this country expect something for nothing. |
If I was that lifeguard I wouldn't take the job back.
Reply #19. Jul 05 12, 4:44 PM
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