kyleisalive
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Unfortunately, while I sympathize with you in regards to the issue, the clincher of the Bucket challenges is to have the proper intro. :s
Reply #81. Dec 30 12, 10:36 PM
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gracious1 
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Well, then the majority of the quizzes do not count. Many say "flowers, flowers, everywhere" and at least one has nothing at all.
Reply #82. Dec 30 12, 10:43 PM
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gracious1
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By my count, six quizzes listed above do not begin with "Herbs, herbs everywhere".
Reply #83. Dec 30 12, 10:47 PM
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gracious1
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The way you have phrased the "challenge" is ambiguous. There is nothing to suggest that it is REQUIRED to begin the quiz with the phrase "Herbs, herbs everywhere."
Furthermore, if you contend that it is NOT ambiguous, then you must also acknowledge that the sub-categories you provided in the original post are are also mandatory, in which case about half a dozen quizzes do not qualify, as they are neither in Herbs nor in Botany.
Reply #84. Dec 30 12, 10:52 PM
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Mariamir
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"Many say "flowers, flowers, everywhere""
The bucket is finicky...it changed its requirements halfway.
"at least one has nothing"
One other has nothing, not sure about that one...the other is yours.
Reply #85. Dec 30 12, 11:54 PM
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Mariamir
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The way you have phrased the "challenge" is ambiguous. There is nothing to suggest that it is REQUIRED to begin the quiz with the phrase "Herbs, herbs everywhere."
-Um...I would have thought it was obvious. Kyle will probably answer, I'm just stating my opinion.
"Furthermore, if you contend that it is NOT ambiguous, then you must also acknowledge that the sub-categories you provided in the original post are are also mandatory, in which case about half a dozen quizzes do not qualify, as they are neither in Herbs nor in Botany."
As above, the bucket changed its requirements.
Reply #86. Dec 30 12, 11:59 PM
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gracious1
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It isn't the least bit obvious.
But I no longer care, as I shall be deleting my account within the next 36 hours.
Reply #87. Dec 31 12, 12:06 AM
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Please don't delete your account! (At the very least, just leave it activated and don't return.) If the only problem you encounter is with writing quizzes, then that doesn't mean you should ignore everything else FunTrivia has to offer, just don't write quizzes.
I have to agree with gracious1, the original post says "If you start your intro with "Herbs, herbs everywhere..." I'll know they're for me!". This may cause some people to interpret that as "it can only begin with 'Herbs, herbs everywhere...'" and not "flowers, flowers, everywhere" or anything else.
Reply #88. Dec 31 12, 12:25 AM
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kyleisalive
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Re: "By my count, six quizzes listed above do not begin with "Herbs, herbs everywhere"."
--You're absolutely correct. The first five were written when the requirements for the challenge were different. Those ones were for different categories and required 'Flowers, flowers everywhere' in the intro.
Salami's quiz does not comply so I have sent him a note asking for amendments. Thank you for catching it. Sometimes my being human gets in the way. ;)
A few issues here and there comes with the territory; I have to manually adjust each and every single posting in the Lounge every time a new quiz is added for any Challenge or Commission or anytime someone signs up/drops out. Sometimes I miss something.
Re: "The way you have phrased the "challenge" is ambiguous. There is nothing to suggest that it is REQUIRED to begin the quiz with the phrase "Herbs, herbs everywhere.""
--You'd very much dislike the Quiz-O-Meter. :p
While I do try to be as concise as possible with these challenges, sometimes it makes sense to throw a wrench into the mix, otherwise they'd be added along the lines of 'Complete these ten titles to these standards' or 'Submit only to one of these categories'. I try to make the challenges more unique and fun; sometimes it doesn't fly, sometimes it does. Does something like this make me want to avoid making Bucket Challenges? Well, not really, but it will make me rethink them for a while.
Re: "in which case about half a dozen quizzes do not qualify, as they are neither in Herbs nor in Botany."
--Are those the ones in categories relating to flowers?
Re: "It isn't the least bit obvious."
-I'm sorry it seems that way; this is the first complaint I've had for one of the bucket challenges and, as I noted, I will take it into consideration. Unfortunately, I do find it completely unfair to the other eight/nine people who followed the ambiguous instructions to complete the challenge if I let one meet the criteria without doing so. This is why I sent a note to the other offender asking for changes; it's easier to do that and change the intro than to ask for another quiz. If I can't convince you to amend the intro to meet the challenge, then I can't. No big deal. In fact, I'm all for personal say in authorship-- I think it's great that you feel your quiz is complete as-is; I would want to feel the same way. Unfortunately, it would not meet the challenge in the same way that a Commission quiz with a changed title wouldn't be acceptable. I don't explicitly tell people that they can't change the title they're given, but it's strongly implied-- it's only happened once in three years and hundreds (upon hundreds) of quizzes and only because of an oversight which the editors felt would be best amended in that way.
Re: "But I no longer care, as I shall be deleting my account within the next 36 hours."
--This is disappointing to hear; I always hate to see authors go. I'm sorry you feel this way and hope for the best regardless of if you stay or go.
Reply #89. Dec 31 12, 12:48 AM
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looney_tunes
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As has been stated, at the start the bucket was asking for flowers, and flowers had to be in the introduction. I certainly understood the statement "If you start your introduction" to mean the introduction had to start that way to qualify for the bucket. After five quizzes, it changed from flowers to herbs, and the wording changed along with the allowed categories shown at the link.
I would assume that Kyle can include the two quizzes that have been removed again if their introductions are changed to meet the challenge requirement.
It's only a game, after all. We have all misinterpreted the requirements of a challenge at one time of another - I'm not even going to let myself start to think about the evil meter that doesn't let you actually know what it wants!
Reply #90. Dec 31 12, 12:48 AM
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kyleisalive
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Re: "I would assume that Kyle can include the two quizzes that have been removed again if their introductions are changed to meet the challenge requirement."
--Absolutely; they're both great quizzes which meet the expectations of the challenge save for the one issue and both would be ready to go with minimal fixes.
Edit to add: One of them has been changed-- thanks!
Reply #91. Dec 31 12, 12:53 AM
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salami_swami
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I have fixed my intro so it should qualify now. I apologize for the oversight!
Reply #92. Dec 31 12, 12:58 AM
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rossian
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My quiz didn't count at all, because I misread the instructions - it happens.
Gracious1, I've looked at your intro, and it seems to me that you could change the first sentence to comply with the requirements and it would still read well. It's your quiz, and your call.
Reply #93. Dec 31 12, 2:31 AM
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malik24
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I agree with rossian. I think if you put it right at the start it would all make sense, the fact that you'd be 'Herbie the Herbalist' would still be strongly implied and because of the connotation of herbs being everywhere you can make the shop sound highly expansive and well-stocked (okay, I'm reading into it a bit too deeply now, lol).
Reply #94. Dec 31 12, 6:58 AM
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dcpddc478
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Please don't let this make you leave the site gracious1, we have all had quizzes rejected for one reason or another and yours can be fixed...we love having new authors:)
Reply #95. Dec 31 12, 7:16 AM
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WesleyCrusher
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I've read through the requirements and they seem to be completely clear and unambiguous. The categories are given and the bucket clearly says it's looking only for one specific intro.
This is not arbitrary - Kyle is even giving you the chance to amend the line which he usually does not. I've had to at least three times write a completely new quiz after not correctly reading the stipulations of a challenge or having something changed on me in editing - and those three were all in the race and the sprint, under time pressure. This is part of the games and yes, it can be quite frustrating at times. On the other hand, the result of one of my imposed rewrites is my best-ranked quiz, which peaked at 9th and has remained in the top 25 ever since, so sometimes being forced to think again is the best thing that can happen to a player.
If you want to leave over this, it would ultimately be your choice, but I don't think it is justified. I can understand if you want to take a break from the Lounge or even from authoring as a whole - maybe you need to explore something else for a while.
If you want your quiz to count, just go back and adjust the intro - here's a suggestion that won't break the 250 character limit and keeps your wordings as intact as possible:
"Herbs, herbs everywhere! Enter Herbie's herbal shop, where I also sell nutritional supplements of all sorts. As we go through each remedy, I'll try to relieve what ails you while teaching you some basics of botany. May you feel better and be smarter!"
Reply #96. Dec 31 12, 8:28 AM
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gracious1
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After receiving some private messages, I have changed my mind.
Changes made to quiz. Only now it's offline because I miscalculated the intro length. Fixed and resubmitted.
Reply #97. Dec 31 12, 5:46 PM
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dcpddc478
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Glad you are staying...it is a new year with wonderful new challenges, including the ones that pop up on this site:)
Reply #98. Dec 31 12, 6:36 PM
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rossian
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That's good to hear, Gracious1. We just need Kyle now to really draw the line under this challenge.
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