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As an ex-employee of said firm and knowing the sort of pittance they would likely have offered staff working at Olympics, IMO no way should they get full sum.
Policy was always to get work first and worry about getting staff later - only this time it backfired on them big time.
Again IMO, if you enter into a contract to provide a service and fail to provide that service, how the heck legally and morally can you expect full payment?
Reply #1. Sep 21 12, 2:27 AM
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| pyonir
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Figure out how much money the soldiers would have been paid had they been employees of the company and subtract that from the amount due to them. That would be my first thought. If anything the management fee should be waived, I agree.
Reply #2. Sep 21 12, 2:38 AM
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The key word is CONTRACT. They were contracted to provide a particular service at an agreed price. They failed to meet their contractural obligations so should be penalised accordingly. Just another example of a 'lowest bidder wins' cock-up.
Reply #3. Sep 21 12, 3:58 AM
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| lesley153
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pyonir, they did make a £2.5m donation to the military!
Marks out of ten for generosity?
Reply #4. Sep 21 12, 4:13 AM
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| lesley153
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Sorry, here it is:
 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19240654
Approximately 18,000 Army, Navy and Air Force people, some who had come from active service and should have been on leave, were drafted in to provide support.
The donation works out at roughly £140 a head.
Reply #5. Sep 21 12, 4:18 AM
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SisterSeagull
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Over the years this company have been responsible for numerous 'errors' some of which have resulted in dangerous criminals escaping from custody. They are a disaster.
If I had still been a serving soldier back from active service overseas and, having my leave cancelled, had been sent to London to cover for Mr Buckle and the rest of his shysters, I would not have been impressed!
They should lose their management fee, should be forced to repay the money that they were given up-front and should then be black-listed and never granted another government contract. If this breaks the company, so be it. If the company can't afford to repay the money, then the board should be held personally and financially responsible and have their property confiscated.
Soap box away!
Reply #6. Sep 21 12, 5:23 AM
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| C30
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Prediction................when the dust and smoke settles, Mr Buckles and his cohorts, will still be there sitting on their salaries.
Whatever financial cost to the company, I predict lower ranking scapegoats will be found and sent of their way to compensate.
Btw, how may Security Guards, earning £6-8 an hour for 12 hour shifts, would have to be fired to equal Mr Buckle's salary? Quite a goodly few I would imagine!
I have had "dealings" with said gentleman personally, but that was when he was an up and coming computer whizz kid in Securicor IT section back in early 1990's.......he does not seem to have changed much.
Reply #7. Sep 21 12, 8:50 AM
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| lesley153
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Did he think contracts were one way even then?
Reply #8. Sep 21 12, 12:09 PM
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| C30
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Don't think he had Lesley! He was the "contact" for the (then) new computer system at Head Office. I didn't cotton on to his "know all" attitude.............somehow, in the years after I left the company (1994), he rose to the heights and in the fullness of time (around 2004) Group 4 Security and Securicor merged and became Group 4 Securicor, aka G4S.
The contract fiasco, you can take it from me had been going on for a very long time...........at least back to 1972 in my knowledge. The Olympic fiasco was merely the largest........and latest. I could write a book believe me!
Reply #9. Sep 21 12, 2:36 PM
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| pyonir
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So at 140 pounds a head, and lets say making the minimum at 6 per hour, that would cover each military member to have worked two 12 hour shifts. I'm quite certain they worked more than that. It'd be interesting to see how many hours an average military member worked.
Back in 1996 when the Olympics was here in the US (Atlanta) I was working with a private security firm who's parent company was contracted to work the Olympics. The deal was they would fly me down there and give me room and board (I live in Minnesota) and work as a "volunteer". Uh, I said, thanks but no thanks. Working for free wasn't going to help me save money for college.
Reply #10. Sep 21 12, 3:02 PM
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| lesley153
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So a free holiday in Atlanta didn't do it for you, then? :p
Ray - I've only got one thing to say to you - start writing!
Reply #11. Sep 21 12, 3:08 PM
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flopsymopsy
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I take it this will be a lesson to government, and not just this one, that outsourcing critical activities to the private sector is not always wise. In fact, sometimes it's downright stupid.
But I don't think they'll learn.
PS I did like the way that Paul Deighton of LOCOG had all the facts and figures at his fingertips when he attended the parliamentary enquiry - not a note in sight. He's been appointed as a Treasury minister from 2013, maybe he can teach them a bit about how to deliver.
Reply #12. Sep 21 12, 6:00 PM
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| lesley153
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I've just read a bit about Paul Deighton and it's impressive. Grammar school, economics degree from Cambridge, decades of banking experience, and he's joining the Treasury - makes perfect sense. And how refreshing to find someone who didn't go to Eton and then read PPE at Oxford!
Reply #13. Sep 21 12, 6:53 PM
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| C30
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As predicted in Post 7 - so has come to pass. Scapegoats have been found and "asked/forced" to resign. Mr. Buckles survives unscathed.
"Know the company you worked for" Lol
Reply #14. Sep 28 12, 11:36 AM
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| lesley153
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Well that's a relief! *choke* Where would we be without the jolly old status quo, eh what?
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