That is, I want to be sure I'm putting my query about the quiz in the right place! |
Reply #1. Dec 12 12, 10:43 PM
I always remember that the Q&A forum used to be called the 'Ask the Editors' forum. If you have absolutely no idea where to begin categorizing, that's where you start.|
If you have a basic idea, don't hesitate to contact a category editor directly.
Since your query directly regards the quiz in a specific challenge you can easily post within that challenge thread as well and authors will try to help. Keep in kind that it is always an editor's final call.
Reply #2. Dec 12 12, 11:14 PM
I knew this would happen. I don't mean that I have a question regarding the category to which my quiz belongs. It will clearly fit in People/Famous Women. ("Eight Maids a-Milking"!)|
I mean that I have a dilemma about my quiz that is difficult to explain, and I wanted to know which forum/board is the best place to ask the question.
Arrgghhh.. Maybe I should just write you, Kyle.
Reply #3. Dec 12 12, 11:27 PM
Okay, in general..........|
My quiz is perfect.... if you play it Interactive Mode.
If you play it in Classic Mode, the answers are given away in the last two questions, because you can go back and change your answers based on the answer choices in 9 & 10...
Reply #4. Dec 12 12, 11:29 PM
Eight Maids a-Milking is the title, so I ask questions about 8 maids of the milk of human kindness, i.e. humanitarians. Clever? No? That leaves 2 more questions.
So, in #9 I ask, which of the maids of milk of human kindness [in this quiz] did NOT win the Nobel Prize, and I list 4 choices.
In #10 I ask, who was canonized (declared a saint), and I give 4 choices.
Of course in doing so, I have just given all 8 answers away, if you are in Classic Mode. :-P It works great in Interactive Mode, though.
You could say that I could change 3 of the 4 answer choices, but the quiz is about 8 maids, so if new names pop up, the one that has been repeated will obviously be the right answer. And I can't change all four answer choices
because then my quiz will be about 10 maids, not 8.
Or I could submit it as is.... and people who take it in Classic mode will get an easy 8 answers. Merry Christmas!
Or I could disallow HTML mode, but that would prohibit blind players and users of older computer equipment and mobile phones from taking my quiz.
Reply #5. Dec 12 12, 11:42 PM
Ah-- that's a bit different.|
All questions in your quiz should stand alone; we try to avoid giveaways as much as possible and sometimes, with HTML mode, it's harder to manage.
A question like this would be fine for the Q&A forum as more than one editor would be able to help with the issue; if it were something to do specifically with the People category I would've sent you along to them. :p
Reply #6. Dec 12 12, 11:42 PM
Also, it's not possible to disallow HTML Mode.|
Reply #7. Dec 12 12, 11:44 PM
One other possible solution is to flip your questions around. For example, instead of writing a question like "Which of these women saved twenty-four puppies and found the cure to the common cold?", with an answer of Jane Doe, you might ask your question this way:|
"In addition to saving twenty-four puppies, Jane Doe also found the cure to what disease?" Then the answer is the common cold, and you're free to use Jane Doe's name later in the quiz without giving anything away.
Reply #8. Dec 13 12, 12:01 AM
Possibly your last two questions could be Fill in the Blank, so that you are not giving away anything about earlier questions by giving names. But that would only be viable if your last two questions were on an aspect of their lives/work that had not already been included in the earlier question and information about that person.|
Reply #9. Dec 13 12, 12:08 AM
Thanks for all the responses so far! This is great! |
CellarDoor -- wouldn't that mean I would have to change ALL the questions? So I would give the name of the maid, and the player would have to guess what the maid did... That is possible. It would require rewriting the first 8. Then I could keep the other 2 questions.
LooneyTunes -- using FITB would mean rewriting those last two questions, but I wouldn't have to rewrite the other 8 much. I guess I would have to word them carefully, though...
Kyleisalive -- okay, thanks for giving me some criteria for deciding where to ask questions!
Reply #10. Dec 13 12, 1:30 AM
Grace, another option would be to use only the eight names both for the correct and wrong answers. Each one shows up as correct once and as a wrong option three times in the first 8 questions. Then it's truly about the eight maids since no other is even mentioned.|
Reply #11. Dec 13 12, 1:37 AM
I can't see that it would be necessary to entirely change the other eight questions in order to turn the last two around - just take a little care in the wording and incorrect option choice. |
Reply #12. Dec 13 12, 11:33 AM
As for the initial question, about the difference between the boards - |
For most questions, I'd say there is not much difference, but the chances of getting editorial feedback are a bit better on the board in the Forums, as most editors don't visit this board.
I have a feeling that the Forum board is a better place for detailed in depth discussion, and this one better for encouragement and cheering on, just due to who tends to hang out where, but that's just an impression I have, not and hard and fast rule.
Reply #13. Dec 13 12, 11:37 AM
Agony, yes, I was starting to think that too, that the Forum is better suited for in-depth discussion, but this has turned out pretty well, better than I expected!|
Wes, if I did as you suggest, assuming I understand you correctly, then a player in Interactive mode could have a very easy time using process of elimination to determine the answer. Not as much of a gimme as the way I have it now. Also someone pretty smart could probably use process of elimination, too, in HTML mode. For example, three names they know belong to the other questions, so the fourth must be the answer.
Thanks for all the input so far. It's fantastic!
Reply #14. Dec 13 12, 5:44 PM
Grace, a lot of rather good quizzes work that way and they make for a good learning experience that way because you need to think and compare to get the last few - it's highly likely that this way, the missing names will stick.|
Besides, doing it this way would do your title the best justice. You're truly using only eight maids, each for five answer options. It's the way I would probably do it (not to say there aren't other, equally good, ways)
Reply #15. Dec 13 12, 7:54 PM
I've done a similar thing as Wes has said in several quizzes,|
What I do is list the answers in order. Then I use this list, and choose say, question 4, and write them all in order in the incorrect spots, and do this randomly for the three incorrect spots.
So, for the maids, e first eighth questions I would make like this...
large letters are the correct answer.
Reply #16. Dec 13 12, 8:26 PM
Crud. Ignore that. My iPad wanted to autocorrect, so I tried to avoid it, which in turn clicked post. Gaah!|
So, you can see the pattern, but players won't notice when the answers are all scrambled around in the quiz.
Just my suggestion as to how to approach it. And I apologize for the strange incomplete post!
Reply #17. Dec 13 12, 8:29 PM
If you want to minimize the potential for elimination in interactive, be sure to slightly modify the random choices: include the answer for #7 as a wrong choice in #8 and have the answer for #6 as a wrong in either #7 or #8. (This however gives really smart HTML players an edge who might go looking for that pattern, but then I guess a player who tries this would google anyway and so you don't give them anything extra)|
That way, the only answer the player can reliably get to without any knowledge, just using the results of the first seven, is #8.
Reply #18. Dec 14 12, 2:51 AM
You can also have the questions that repeat correct answers randomly scattered through the quiz, rather than having them be the last two questions. So both, say, Qu 2 and Qu 7 have the same answer, as do Qu 4 and Qu 10. |
Reply #19. Dec 14 12, 12:27 PM
This is a lot to think about. I may follow Wesley's and Salami's suggestion...although I still have some misgivings since basically I will be presenting HTML takers with all the answers at once, and Interactive players will be able to eliminate answers easily.|
Agony, that's an interesting idea, too, although I would have to rephrase the questions. Right now, they are "Which of the maids featured in this quiz did NOT win the Nobel Prize" and "Which of the maids was canonized (declared a saint)?" If they appear as such in the middle instead of the end of the quiz, they don't work.
I thought about making the last questions FITB, too. I kind of liked that...
Reply #20. Dec 14 12, 9:58 PM
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