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#1037245 - Sat Mar 08 2014 06:06 PM Malaysian Plane missing
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This is a tragic thing as no wreckage was found until possible oil slicks were spotted by a Vietnamese plane a few hours ago. So relatives have been in agonies for hours and hours, there being no real news except the plane with 200 plus passengers of 14 nationalities was missing. Malaysian never had a big crash before. This is an appalling tragedy.
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#1037247 - Sat Mar 08 2014 06:19 PM Re: Malaysian Plane missing [Re: ren33]
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Did you hear about the two stolen passports? I only heard it on the radio so am not sure what is going on with that...
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#1037261 - Sun Mar 09 2014 02:18 AM Re: Malaysian Plane missing [Re: ren33]
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STILL no real news. Your heart goes out to those people.
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#1037270 - Sun Mar 09 2014 09:14 AM Re: Malaysian Plane missing [Re: ren33]
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Something is amiss as it's been a day and a half, but saw that it may have turned around. confused

Story here.
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#1037276 - Sun Mar 09 2014 10:40 AM Re: Malaysian Plane missing [Re: dg_dave]
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You'd think if it had been foul play, the pilots would have pulled the hijack alarm or some group would have claimed responsibility for it...
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#1037301 - Sun Mar 09 2014 03:14 PM Re: Malaysian Plane missing [Re: ren33]
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The passports were stolen in Thailand which is more or less par for the course. I think that was only discovered because of more careful scrutiny than usual. It probably has no bearing on the loss of the plane. I could be wrong.
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#1037304 - Sun Mar 09 2014 03:54 PM Re: Malaysian Plane missing [Re: ren33]
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With all the unidentified rocks coming at us from space and the reports of a radar contact that headed in the other direction, I wonder if a meteor wasn't involved?
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#1037305 - Sun Mar 09 2014 04:42 PM Re: Malaysian Plane missing [Re: mehaul]
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Originally Posted By: mehaul
With all the unidentified rocks coming at us from space and the reports of a radar contact that headed in the other direction, I wonder if a meteor wasn't involved?


Most likely not - there are so many people who keep track of space stuff that they would have known. Also, a plane wouldn't have turned around for a meteor (and definitely not without alerting air control).
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#1037317 - Sun Mar 09 2014 06:19 PM Re: Malaysian Plane missing [Re: ren33]
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You misunderstand. I'm not saying the plane turned around. The meteor was suddenly visible to radar. The meteor at 35,000 ft is only starting to heat up, it may only have been as big as a 5 gal bucket. Only when it dropped to that 35,000 ft level was it picked up just after hitting the plane and then being followed by radar going the other way. That small, above and ahead of the plane, no radar or observers spotted it, After a collision it got spotted because then it would be low enough and, possibly shattered, imaging as a much larger object and then it too disappeared after burning up. And come on, there has been a lot of stuff not being tracked that we have found out about lately. The asteroid as big as a car that hit the moon, the meteor that blew up over Russia last spring and the asteroid that passed within the moon's orbit last week was a virtual 'spotted accidentally at the last minute' rock. We are only tracking 10,000 NEOs and there are millions of them out there. If the plane was hit by a relatively denser rock (the plane is big to radar whole but really is less dense than a sponge in actual reflective material). The plane would have gone straight down and off radar in less than three microwave scans of the radar while the rock would have continued to travel at 30-35,000 ft.


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#1037348 - Mon Mar 10 2014 01:42 AM Re: Malaysian Plane missing [Re: ren33]
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It was reported somewhere I saw it, that the fuel on board would have lasted until 8.30 am today which was about 7 hours ago. If it was hijacked it would have been down for a long time by now.Still no sign of anything and there are 40 ships and 30-odd planes searching the area.
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#1037372 - Mon Mar 10 2014 06:09 AM Re: Malaysian Plane missing [Re: ren33]
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We now have China daring to criticise the Malaysian Authorities for "failing to keep us informed"They are also accusing the immigration of not keeping Chinese people safe by allowing fake passport holders onto the plane. This from one of the most corrupt in the world. Black pots and kettles come immediately to mind. We are now in the third day.The airline are caring for the families in a hotel near the airport and holding news conferences and it seems they are doing all they can in a truly horrible situation.
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#1037401 - Mon Mar 10 2014 01:16 PM Re: Malaysian Plane missing [Re: ladymacb29]
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Originally Posted By: ladymacb29
You'd think if it had been foul play, the pilots would have pulled the hijack alarm or some group would have claimed responsibility for it...


Yes. This is the thing I can't understand about the theory that the stolen passports signal that this is a terrorist act.

After all, isn't the whole point of terrorism to...create terror? And if people are assuming that it was a mechanical failure or a meteor, then we aren't terrified; we're just sad about an accident/angry about poor maintenance/something else.

So the 'stolen passports' aspect must surely be a red herring. (One would think.)
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#1037468 - Tue Mar 11 2014 07:22 AM Re: Malaysian Plane missing [Re: ren33]
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Terrorism is completely ruled out, they are asylum seekers.
Seems likely that the plane turned back towards the Straits of Malacca.
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#1037498 - Tue Mar 11 2014 05:12 PM Re: Malaysian Plane missing [Re: ren33]
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CNN was reporting that the plane's transponder was turned off at the time they lost radar sight of it but the latest radar information is it turned around and flew for an hour in the opposite direction? Apparently a Boeing 777 can glide for 100 miles without power to its engines.
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#1037631 - Wed Mar 12 2014 06:36 PM Re: Malaysian Plane missing [Re: ren33]
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It has being reported that a Chinese satellite has spotted debris in the South China Sea,just off the coast of Vietnam, so we might have some answers soon.

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#1037735 - Thu Mar 13 2014 11:46 AM Re: Malaysian Plane missing [Re: ren33]
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Now they're saying that the Chinese satellite photo definitely does not show plane debris (though it's so fuzzy that one wonders how it was ruled out). The search area is now close to a quarter of the size of the globe.
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#1037739 - Thu Mar 13 2014 12:44 PM Re: Malaysian Plane missing [Re: Gheelnory]
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Originally Posted By: Gheelnory
The search area is now close to a quarter of the size of the globe.


Really? Half a hemisphere?

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#1037848 - Fri Mar 14 2014 02:32 AM Re: Malaysian Plane missing [Re: dippo]
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Getting to be a mystery of "Bermuda Triangle" proportions......

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#1037859 - Fri Mar 14 2014 04:26 AM Re: Malaysian Plane missing [Re: dippo]
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Originally Posted By: dippo
Originally Posted By: Gheelnory
The search area is now close to a quarter of the size of the globe.


Really? Half a hemisphere?


Heading in that direction yes - they're expanding into the Indian Ocean now, mainly because they have absolutely no clue as to where it is.

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#1037861 - Fri Mar 14 2014 05:36 AM Re: Malaysian Plane missing [Re: ren33]
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Before the search was expanded into the Indian Ocean, the search area was reported as being 27,000 square nautical miles, which equals around 36,000 square miles.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/ma...ssible-sighting

The surface area of the earth is approximately 197,000,000 square miles, so the search area is about 0.018% of the earth. Quite a way to go to reach 25%!

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#1037897 - Fri Mar 14 2014 11:57 AM Re: Malaysian Plane missing [Re: ren33]
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The search radius is now at 2,500 miles. Area of a circle is Pi x r^2, so that's 3.14 (appropriately, Happy Pi day everyone!) x 2500^2 = 3.14 x 6,250,000 = 19,635,000 sq miles. Wow, that's almost exactly 1/10th the approximate area total. I think the idea before was half a half a hemisphere or 1/8th the world's surface area. 1/10th is pretty close to 1/8th.
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#1037915 - Fri Mar 14 2014 02:31 PM Re: Malaysian Plane missing [Re: ren33]
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I'd guess that the "quarter of a globe" language I relayed (from a report on a 24-hour news channel that shall remain nameless) must have been a mistake (or misstatement) by the reporter. I did wonder if it might perhaps have been referring to a quarter of the non-land, non-polar surface of the earth (rather than to a quarter of the entire Earth's surface), and so looked at the relevant numbers:

That number--a quarter of the non-polar, non-land surface area of the Earth--would be about 87 million square kilometers or about 33.6 million square miles*. So those "quarter" figures would be high, too, as compared with the 50.8 million square kilometers or 19.6 million square miles reached by using the 4,023 km(2,500 mile)search radius mentioned in news reports.






*using figures for the February size of the Arctic ice cap of about 12 million square kilometers or 4.6 million square miles.
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#1037932 - Fri Mar 14 2014 04:24 PM Re: Malaysian Plane missing [Re: Gheelnory]
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Now they're saying different transmitters turned off at different times and the engine was pinging for hours after it was reported missing?
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#1037942 - Fri Mar 14 2014 06:45 PM Re: Malaysian Plane missing [Re: ren33]
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I saw an image of the pilot today that was taken of him sitting in the pilot seat of his home built Boeing 777 cockpit simulator. What would he need one at home for if not to teach someone outside the lawful operation of the craft? All the Boeing and Malaysian Air facilities were at HIS disposal. Did the 911 experience teach the jihadists that public training was a possible give-away; or, have restrictions gotten so tight they can't learn enough to hi-jak planes anymore and need special tutors?
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#1038002 - Sat Mar 15 2014 01:10 AM Re: Malaysian Plane missing [Re: ren33]
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I think and hope that the report from the Malaysian Prime Minister at today's press conference was enough to put paid to the quite ridiculous rumours going around which are unproven and therefore should not be spread He has also, I hope, silenced those people, particularly Chinese who complain that not enough has been done and not enough information has been given out. The point to be highly commended I feel is that the Malaysian authorities have only reported those facts which have been ensured of being true. How very dignified he was in comparison to the wicked rumour mongers in the press who seem to thrive on speculation. How very clearly he spoke and how very credible his choice of words and his manner of delivery. Lets hope that the new efforts and the alteration of the search area will bring a solution to the horrible mystery.
For Chinese people to find fault with Malaysia's methods of reporting the situation openly is to say the least laughable when we look back at the lack of transparency coming from the Chinese authorities in the past. But I digress...
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