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#1042318 - Thu Apr 17 2014 02:32 AM Results & Standings .. Kentucky Derby
gtho4 Offline

Registered: Sun Dec 26 1999
Posts: 50488
Loc: Sydney oz downunder           
2nd leg of FT Triple Crown

140th Kentucky Derby

This year's Run For The Roses is almost here. The scoring system for the Kentucky Derby comp is the same as the Grand National comp earlier this month:

    o The rules for this comp are simple, and are the same as last year and the year before.
    o Pick 10 horses in the order you think they'll finish, 1st to 10th.
    o Points: for any horse out of the 10 you've picked, which finishes in the first five places:
      1st : 10 pts
      2nd : 6 pts
      3rd : 3 pts
      4th : 2 pts
      5th : 1 pt
    o The order of your picks will be used as a tiebreaker to separate any dead-heats or ties.
    o If two players have identical picks x10, whoever posts first wins the tie-breaker.
    The race starts on Saturday 3rd May 2014 at 6:24pm. Tips close on
    the hour at
    6:00pm with a short period of grace of a few minutes.
    There is a count-down clock to the race start time on this webpage,
    near the top RH corner :
The following six pages (of many out there) have details of the contenders and their form:At the moment there are 67 horses still in the running to qualify (first acceptances closed in
January with 413 horses nominated). The field of 20 runners and their post positions (barrier
draw) will be announced three days before the race at around 5:00pm ET on Wed 30th April.
    Picks x10 can be posted at any time in this thread, even if the field of 20 hasn't been announced! Please note that there is no need to pick reserves. If your horse is scratched, so be it (we've got half the field covered with our 10 picks). However, as is the case with any tipping comp in here, you are free to edit your picks at any time before the deadline.

Edited by gtho4 (Sun May 04 2014 12:23 AM)

#1042481 - Thu Apr 17 2014 11:53 PM Kentucky Derby == > Sat 3rd May
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Posts: 50488
Loc: Sydney oz downunder           

#1042774 - Mon Apr 21 2014 07:43 AM Kentucky Derby == > Sat 3rd May
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Posts: 50488
Loc: Sydney oz downunder           

#1043648 - Mon Apr 28 2014 03:55 AM Re: Kentucky Derby == > Sat 3rd May
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Champion Poster

Registered: Sun Feb 13 2011
Posts: 21716
Loc: New South Wales Australia
1:Wicked Strong
2:California Chrome
3:Candy Boy
4:Uncle Sigh
6:General A Rod
8:Dance With Fate
9:Wiildcat Red
10:Intense Holiday

Edited by wwe84 (Wed Apr 30 2014 09:12 AM)

#1043967 - Wed Apr 30 2014 08:40 AM Kentucky Derby == > Sat 3rd May
gtho4 Offline

Registered: Sun Dec 26 1999
Posts: 50488
Loc: Sydney oz downunder           

The Current Top Contenders for Kentucky Derby 2014
    These horses are the top ranked contenders that appear likely to make the Kentucky Derby start. Odds are from the Wynn Las Vegas updated 28 April 2014.
    -- California Chrome (7/2): California Chrome shot up the Derby prospect charts with a resounding victory in the San Felipe and has become 'the horse to beat' in the Kentucky Derby following his impressive showing in the Santa Anita Derby. He turned in a time that has been beaten only three times in history (Lucky Debonair in 1965, Sham in 1973 and Indian Charlie in 1998). Now just about everyone is convinced including Churchill Downs oddsmaker Mike Battaglia who says that California Chrome is all but certainly going to be the favorite in the Kentucky Derby. In the latest Wynn Las Vegas future book odds he's down to 4/1—the only horse priced at single digit odds.
    -- Wicked Strong (9/1): Wicked Strong hadn't attracted much interest as a legitimate Kentucky Derby contender until his upset win in the Wood Memorial. Wicked Strong won the race by 3 ½ lengths over a couple of higher profile three year olds, Samraat and race favorite Social Inclusion. The winner of the Wood Memorial has historically performed well in the Kentucky Derby and that trend alone is likely responsible for Wicked Strong's support.
    -- Vicar's In Trouble (14/1): An afterthought for much of the Derby prep season, Vicar's In Trouble shot up the contender rankings for the Kentucky Derby with a win in the Louisiana Derby. Before that he had a win in his 3 year old debut, the G3 Lecomte and followed that up with a third place finish in the G2 Risen Star. A small horse with a lot of heart is how his connections describe him.
    -- Hopportunity (14/1): Hopportunity has been solid, though not spectacular, in his 3 year old races which include three stakes races. He took two tries to break his maiden but he's shown steady improvement since then winning the Grade 2 Rebel Stakes and finishing second behind California Chrome in the Santa Anita Derby.
    -- Danza (15/1): This Todd Pletcher trained horse was the upset winner of the Arkansas Derby, shocking the field at 41/1. Didn't have a spectacular resume heading in to the race but it wasn't that bad and he clearly got lost in the mix in a field full of higher profile horses. Could be peaking at the right time.
    -- Samraat (16/1): Undefeated in five career starts before a second place finish in the Wood Memorial. Samraat is trained by Richard Violette, Jr. Front running speed in a field with better front running speed doesn't bode particularly well. Could be better at shorter distances.
    -- Tapiture (20/1): Tapiture finished second in the Rebel Stakes but turned in an impressive showing in defeat. Based on that performance he's become a trendy selection among horse racing experts. Were it not for a bad route in the Rebel he could have won the race. Will race again Saturday in the Arkansas Derby.
    -- Candy Boy (20/1): Candy Boy was considered something of a 'project' horse heading into the Santa Anita Derby and may have improved his standing as a Kentucky Derby contender despite finishing third. He's definitely a fast horse and the decent showing at Santa Anita bodes well for his ability to step up in class. Of course the big question—he didn't have anything for California Chrome at Santa Anita so what suggests that he will on the unfamiliar surface at Churchill Downs against a very strong field?
    -- Intense Holiday (20/1): Finished second behind Vicar's In Trouble in the Louisiana Derby, won the Grade 2 Risen Star before that. Trained by Todd Pletcher the jury is still out at Intense Holiday's ability to compete against a higher quality field. On the other hand, he's improved every time out and finished in the money in each of his three year old races.
    -- Ride On Curlin (22/1): Finished third in the Rebel Stakes and second in the Arkansas Derby. Trainer Billy Gowan suggests that this horse hasn't peaked yet and just needs to get the right jockey to give him a perfect ride. Enter Calvin Borel who has three Kentucky Derby victories and is arguably the best in the business on the Churchill Downs track.
    -- Wildcat Red (25/1): Another enigmatic horse that could be looking for the right combination of rider, track and trip. Never finished lower than second in his racing career and is coming off a second place run behind Constitution in the Florida Derby. Won the Hutcheson and the Fountain of Youth earlier this year. Trainer Jose Garofallo insists that the competition at Gulfstream Park is underrated and will be evident in his horse's Kentucky Derby performance. Rafael Bejarano will ride Wildcat Red in the Derby—his fifth different jockey in five three year old races.
    -- We Miss Artie (35/1): Won the Spiral Stakes at Turfway Park in late March and that gave him enough points to punch his ticket to the Kentucky Derby. If you buy in to the notion that a serious Kentucky Derby contender needs a fair amount of work as a two year old We Miss Artie Could be your horse—he's got 8 career starts. Trained by Todd Pletcher some handicappers suggest that We Miss Artie's off the pace style could be effective in a field full of front runners.
    -- General A Rod (35/1): This Michael J. Maker trained colt is a very divisive topic among horse racing fans. Some think that he's a solid contender that has performed well in the mix with a number of top three year olds at Gulfstream Park in his three year old campaign. Won the Gulfstream Park Derby, finished second in the Fountain of Youth and third in the Florida Derby. His detractors suggest that the racing talent at Gulfstream Park is a cut below other tracks making General A Rod an average horse at best. Objectively speaking, he doesn't look as good as Constitution or Wildcat Red.
    -- Dance With Fate (40/1): Won the Blue Grass Stakes but initially it appeared that the connections of this synthetic track specialist would skip the Kentucky Derby. They've reversed course and now Dance With Fate will make his first ever start on dirt in the biggest race of his career. Trainer Peter Eurton insists that Dance With Fate doesn't like dirt which definitely doesn't bode well for a strong run in the Kentucky Derby.
    -- Chitu (50/1): It looks like Chitu is a 'go' for the Derby with jockey Martin Garcia aboard. Chitu was originally entered in the Derby Trial but a few hours later trainer Bob Baffert indicated the horse would scratch out of that race and be pointed to the Kentucky Derby. Finished first or second in four career starts with a win the last time out in the Grade 3 Sunland Derby in New Mexico. In many ways Chitu is a mystery—a lot of upsides in terms of speed, performance, pedigree and connections but not much racing experience.
    -- Uncle Sigh (75/1): Will likely be one of the biggest longshots in the field. Finished second in both the Grade 3 Withers and Grade 3 Gotham before slumping to fifth in the Wood Memorial. If the weather is bad and the track is sloppy Uncle Sigh might be worth a look—his trainer Gary Contessa says that this horse 'loves the mud'. Problem is that there's only a 20% chance of rain on Kentucky Derby day this year.
    -- Harry's Holiday (100/1): Overall a forgettable horse with an underwhelming resume. Finished second in the Spiral Stakes but was a huge disappointment in the Grade 1 Blue Grass Stakes, finishing 14th. Veteran jockey Corey Lanerie will ride Harry's Holiday in the Kentucky Derby. Harry's Holiday did race twice at Churchill Downs early in his career finishing first and second but against a dramatically lower class of opposition.
Morning Line Odds
    There won't be any official Kentucky Derby odds until the Wednesday before the 2014 race. After the field is finalized morning line odds will be released by Churchill Downs oddsmaker Mike Bataglia. These will be the 'opening numbers' for betting purposes but they'll change often due to actual wagering patterns at the race track and simulcast locations. We'll update as the race gets closer with futures betting information from the Wynn Las Vegas Race Book followed by morning line information and live betting updates from Churchill Downs.

    Once betting opens for the race the odds then move in accordance with the money wagered on certain horses. Public sentiment can make a morning line 'also ran' into a favourite and an overlooked horse can become a favourite of 'wise guys' and attract a lot of betting action. Watching the odds move at this point can reveal information about who the public likes (and doesn't like).

#1044057 - Wed Apr 30 2014 08:36 PM Kentucky Derby == > Sat 3rd May
gtho4 Offline

Registered: Sun Dec 26 1999
Posts: 50488
Loc: Sydney oz downunder           

2014 Kentucky Derby Post Positions

This year's lineup was announced at 5PM ET on Wednesday, April 30, 2014 from Churchill Downs. The list below
shows the official post positions, jockeys and trainers, along with the morning line odds given to top favorites.
    Horse Jockey Trainer ML
    1. Vicar's in Trouble Rosie Napravnik Mike Maker 30-1
    2. Harry's Holiday Corey Lanerie Mike Maker 50-1
    3. Uncle Sigh Irad Ortiz Jr. Gary Contessa 30-1
    4. Danza Joe Bravo Todd Pletcher 10-1
    5. California Chrome Victor Espinoza Art Sherman   5-2
    6. Samraat Jose Ortiz Rick Violette Jr. 15-1
    7. We Miss Artie Javier Castellano Todd Pletcher 50-1
    8. General A Rod Joel Rosario Mike Maker 15-1
    9. Vinceremos Joe Rocco Jr. Todd Pletcher 30-1
    10. Wildcat Red Luis Saez Jose Garoffalo 15-1
    11. Hoppertunity Mike Smith Bob Baffert   6-1
    12. Dance With Fate Corey Nakatani Peter Eurton 20-1
    13. Chitu Martin Garcia Bob Baffert 20-1
    14. Medal Count Robby Albarado Dale Romans 20-1
    15. Tapiture Ricardo Santana Jr. Steve Asmussen 15-1
    16. Intense Holiday John Velazquez Todd Pletcher 12-1
    17. Commanding Curve Shaun Bridgmohan Dallas Stewart 50-1
    18. Candy Boy Gary Stevens John Salder 20-1
    19. Ride On Curlin Calvin Borel William G. Gowan 15-1
    20. Wicked Strong Rajiv Maragh James A. Jerkens   8-1

#1044129 - Thu May 01 2014 07:13 AM Re: Kentucky Derby == > Sat 3rd May
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Registered: Fri Mar 23 2001
Posts: 11519
Loc: Ontario Canada
2:California Chrome
3:General A Rod
4:Wicked Strong
5:Candy Boy
7:Wildcat Red
8:Medal Count
10:Ride On Curlin
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#1044132 - Thu May 01 2014 07:38 AM Re: Kentucky Derby == > Sat 3rd May
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Registered: Thu Sep 30 1999
Posts: 15744
Loc: East London
England UK    
1 California Chrome
2 Intense Holiday
3 Wicked Strong
4 Dance With Fate
5 General A Rod
6 Medal Count
7 Danza
8 Ride On Curlin
9 Wildcat Red
10 Uncle Sigh
I'll get enough sleep when I'm dead !!

#1044158 - Thu May 01 2014 09:31 AM Re: Kentucky Derby == > Sat 3rd May
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Registered: Sat Apr 24 2010
Posts: 9870
Loc: Ontario Canada
Candy Boy
Wicked Strong
Uncle Sigh
California Chrome
Intense Holiday
Medal Count
Wildcat Red
General A Rod

Dance with Fate

#1044172 - Thu May 01 2014 12:21 PM Re: Kentucky Derby == > Sat 3rd May
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Registered: Wed Sep 05 2007
Posts: 5117
Loc: Bronx
1 - Wicked Strong
2 - Wildcat Red
3 - California Chrome
4 - Samraat
5 - Hoppertunity Chitu
6 - Dance With Fate
7 - General A Rod
8 - Ride On Curlin
9 - Uncle Sigh
10 - Vinceremos

A - Medal Count

Edited by BxBarracuda (Thu May 01 2014 03:58 PM)

#1044205 - Thu May 01 2014 03:42 PM Re: Kentucky Derby == > Sat 3rd May
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Registered: Fri Jan 06 2006
Posts: 5600
Loc: Crawley Sussex England       
California Chrome
Wicked Strong
Wilcat Red
Intense Holiday
Vicars In Trouble
Dance With Fate
General A Rod
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#1044225 - Thu May 01 2014 08:03 PM Re: Kentucky Derby == > Sat 3rd May
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Posts: 19933
Loc: Sydney NSW Australia
1- Hoppertunity Tapiture
2- Candy Boy
3- Vicar's in Trouble
4- General A Rod
5- California Chrome
6- Wicked Strong
7- Wildcat Red
8- Intense Holiday
9- Uncle Sigh
10- Danza

Edited by ozzz2002 (Fri May 02 2014 10:25 PM)
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#1044240 - Thu May 01 2014 11:28 PM Re: Kentucky Derby == > Sat 3rd May
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Registered: Fri Jul 10 2009
Posts: 4966
Loc: Illinois USA        
1- California Chrome
2- Candy Boy
3- Chitu
4- Wicked Strong
5- Danza
6- Samraat
7- Wildcat Red
8- General A Rod
9- Intense Holiday
10- Medal Count

For the record, Hoppertunity has scratched, replaced by Pablo Del Monte

#1044363 - Fri May 02 2014 07:46 PM Re: Kentucky Derby == > Sat 3rd May
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Registered: Thu Sep 09 2010
Posts: 4294
Loc: New Zealand
California Chrome
Wicked Strong
Intense Holiday
Ride On Curlin
Wildcat Red
General A Rod
Vicar's in Trouble

Edited by N-Bomb (Fri May 02 2014 07:47 PM)

#1044373 - Fri May 02 2014 10:59 PM Kentucky Derby == > Sat 3rd May
gtho4 Offline

Registered: Sun Dec 26 1999
Posts: 50488
Loc: Sydney oz downunder           

    1. Danza
    2. California Chrome
    3. Tapiture
    4. Intense Holiday
    5. Ride On Curlin
    6. Candy Boy
    7. Wicked Strong
    8. Wildcat Red
    9. Chitu
    10 Samraat

#1044408 - Sat May 03 2014 01:09 AM Re: Kentucky Derby == > Sat 3rd May
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Registered: Thu Dec 27 2007
Posts: 174
Loc: Mulgrave Victoria Australia   
California Chrome
Wicked Strong
Commanding Curve
Candy Boy
General a Rod
Intense Holiday
Wildcat Red

#1044412 - Sat May 03 2014 01:57 AM Re: Kentucky Derby == > Sat 3rd May
Howie72 Offline
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Registered: Thu Oct 27 2005
Posts: 9175
Loc: Timaru NZ
1- California Chrome
2- Intense Holiday
3- Dance With Fate
4- Medal Count
5- Wicked Strong
6- Wildcat Red
7- Danza
8- Ride On Curlin
9- Samraat
10- Commanding Curve

#1044497 - Sun May 04 2014 12:27 AM Results & Standings .. Kentucky Derby
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Registered: Sun Dec 26 1999
Posts: 50488
Loc: Sydney oz downunder           

    140th Kentucky Derby
  12 players lodged picks
    California Chrome
    Commanding Curve
    Wicked Strong
    Position 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th |
    Horse number 5 17 4 20 6 |
    Points 10 6 3 2 1 pts | tie-breaker
    1. 22crows 10 6 3 2 1 22 | (1) (5) (3) (2) (4)
    2. Howie72 10 6 3 2 1 22 | (1) (10) (7) (5) (9)
    3. paper_aero 10 3 2 1 16 | (1) (2) (4) (10)
    4. N-Bomb 10 3 2 1 16 | (1) (3) (2) (7)
    5. illiniman14 10 3 2 1 16 | (1) (5) (4) (6)
    6. gtho4 10 3 2 1 16 | (2) (1) (7) (10)
    7. wwe84 10 3 2 1 16 | (2) (5) (1) (7)
    8. LeoDaVinci 10 3 2 1 16 | (2) (9) (4) (6)
    9. Sypher 10 3 2 15 | (1) (7) (3)
    10 George95 10 3 2 15 | (5) (7) (3)
    11 ozzz2002 10 3 2 15 | (5) (10) (6)
    12 BxBarracuda 10 2 1 13 | (3) (1) (4)

  • in the Grand National steeplchase 22crows picked 1st, 2nd and 3rd across the line to take the gold medal .. for the Kentucky Derby she picked 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th and 5th with her first 5 picks!
  • tie-breaker countbacks were required for every position, except for the one up the back of the bus.
  • Howie72 finished 2nd on a countback .. he picked the winner with his 1st pick but 2nd was picked with his 10th.
  • there was a six-way dead-heat for bronze (none of them picked the 50-1 shot in second place) .. three of those six chose the winner with their 1st pick, but bronze went to paper_aero who chose 3rd place with his 2nd pick.
  • the defending title-holder was ozzz2002.
  • this was the 12th running of the Kentucky Derby comp .. no-one has defended his or her title, and buck5ley is the only person to have won this twice (he won it in 2005 and 2007).
  • that completes the second leg of the FT Triple Crown. The third leg is six months away .. the Melbourne Cup on the first Tuesday in November.
  • no-one has won the FT Triple Crown .. 22crows is now one of three who have won two legs. The other two are szabs in 2009 and George95 in 2012 (both of them missed the first leg, the Grand National).
  • 22crows may become the first-ever Triple Crown winner!


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