#106354 - Thu Jan 08 2009 03:55 AM
Re: Quiz Queues .. waiting time
[Re: guitargoddess]
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gg,
That was a bug which Terry says has now been fixed. Try again.
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#106355 - Thu Jan 08 2009 03:46 PM
Re: Quiz Queues .. waiting time
[Re: SilverMoonsong]
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hope this works. im new here. i have submitted a quiz on the 19th dec, and have had nothing at all from the editors. i did edit it once around the same time, but i have had no anowledgement of receipt of the quiz. this is showing on the edit quiz tab "Dec 19 08 [12:37 PM] : clarod : Quiz Submitted for Editor Review! (quiz never played before) i have one note for this quiz telling me i couldnt submit until my other quiz was online. this is now online. also wondering, i have six quizzes waiting to be online, but cannot submit more than 1 at a time, so am getting slightly annoyed.  Edited to change topic title back to original
Edited by sue943 (Thu Jan 08 2009 03:50 PM)
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#106356 - Thu Jan 08 2009 03:59 PM
Re: Quiz Queues .. waiting time
[Re: clarod]
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Hi Clare, welcome to the forums.  If your quiz shows that it has been submitted, as you quoted in your post, it means it is in the queue. The system isn't set up to acknowledge the receipt of quizzes in any other way than through that little note. And there are simply too many quizzes submitted every day for the editors to manually send out receipts. Rest assured though that your quiz is in the queue waiting to be seen by an editor. You might not have realised that all editors here at Funtrivia are volunteers, which means that, especially when there are holidays, their real lives take precedence over their editing tasks. Many of the editors have been away over Christmas. Also, because of the summer holidays in the southern hemisphere and the Christmas holidays in the northern hemisphere there have been many more quiz submissions than usual. This also leads to a longer wait. While you're waiting for your music quiz to get reviewed by an editor, why not go over the other quizzes you have lined up to double check that they're error-free? That way they'll be extra ready by the time your music quiz gets online. Leau, editor
Edited by Leau (Thu Jan 08 2009 04:00 PM)
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#106357 - Thu Jan 08 2009 04:31 PM
Re: Quiz Queues .. waiting time
[Re: Leau]
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Great suggestion by Leau too! I took at peek at your quiz, and it shows that it was submitted 31Dec, not the 19th. This may be the typical issue because an author goes into their quiz while being submitted, and makes one little tiny change. When the author saves their "new change", the system recognizes it as a new quiz submitted, thus bumping the quiz to the bottom of the list. One way to alleviate this is to make absolutely sure that a quiz is ready for submission, with no second-guessing, then let the editors have it. Be patient and let the editors work with you.
Also, and as Leau mentioned, while you're waiting for a quiz in submission, you can go through your others to be sure you won't second-guess yourself after you submit those. Good luck with your quizzes. :-)
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#106359 - Tue Jan 27 2009 08:57 PM
Re: Quiz Queues .. waiting time
[Re: spanishliz]
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I just wanted to say thanks to the editors for their hard work and for putting up with so many "sad" mistakes I've made when constructing quizzes. Because of errors and such, I do have to wait longer for my quizzes to be looked at, before they eventually go on line. My own understanding is that, when an author makes repeated errors then that author's quizzes take longer to be looked at.
My question is, how long does the "waiting longer" period of time last? I know that my quizzes take a lower priority, due to errors in the past, but how many error free quizzes do I need to submit so that my waiting time returns to a more normal length of time?
I did submit a quiz to Hobbies, on January 8th. I have heard no feedback from the editor on this one.
Thanks, in advance, if you can answer my question.
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#106360 - Wed Jan 28 2009 01:39 AM
Re: Quiz Queues .. waiting time
[Re: funnytrivianna]
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Your quiz shows up in the queue with a date stamp of 26 January. I can see in the quiz log that you did submit it on the 8th though. Every time you go into the edit screen of your quiz and re-save it while it's in the queue, it gets a new date stamp and drops to the bottom of the queue. This also happens when an editor changes the category of your quiz or makes any other changes and then saves the quiz.
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#106362 - Wed Jan 28 2009 10:06 AM
Re: Quiz Queues .. waiting time
[Re: funnytrivianna]
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As far as I know, you can go back and look at the quiz template. The queue timer only resets if you hit 'save'.
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#106364 - Wed Jan 28 2009 11:55 AM
Re: Quiz Queues .. waiting time
[Re: funnytrivianna]
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I dared to go and look, taking the risk, and there is no date stamp on this quiz, after January 8, that is visible to me. I do not understand what is being said about a January 26 date stamp then.
Somebody please explain this. Thanks!
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#106365 - Wed Jan 28 2009 12:02 PM
Re: Quiz Queues .. waiting time
[Re: Leau]
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This also happens when an editor changes the category of your quiz or makes any other changes and then saves the quiz.
Does this mean that an editor can look at a quiz, see who the creator is, decide that they just don't want to check that particular quiz yet, because they assume, from past quizzes, that this creator probably has a lot of errors again, so THEY date stamp it and send it to the end of the queue line? The creator never knows this is happening, because it does not show in our log, when we go to see if anything is happening with the quiz?
I do hope I am wrong about thinking like this, but I am wanting to know why my quiz has a date stamp of Jan. 26, when I have not done this and it does not show in my quiz log.
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#106366 - Wed Jan 28 2009 12:02 PM
Re: Quiz Queues .. waiting time
[Re: funnytrivianna]
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Registered: Sat Feb 12 2000
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The January 26 date stamp probably wouldn't be visible to you. The quizzes in the queue (which is only visible to editors) are roughly sorted by the date on which the last change was made, which is displayed (to editors) as part of the quiz information. That's the date Leau mentioned.
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#106367 - Wed Jan 28 2009 12:09 PM
Re: Quiz Queues .. waiting time
[Re: CellarDoor]
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Does this mean that an editor can look at a quiz, see who the creator is, decide that they just don't want to check that particular quiz yet, because they assume, from past quizzes, that this creator probably has a lot of errors again, so THEY date stamp it and send it to the end of the queue line? The creator never knows this is happening, because it does not show in our log, when we go to see if anything is happening with the quiz?
I'd be extremely surprised if that happened, ever. For one thing, an editor doesn't need to open a quiz to see who created it -- we can see that information without opening the quiz. Editors will often change their minds about editing a quiz after taking a quick look (maybe they need another editor's expert opinion, or that particular quiz takes more time than they have available at the moment) but it makes no sense to go through and maliciously save the quiz again; it's much easier to close the window or back out.
There's also no point in sending a quiz to the back of the queue for punishment. When a QM is having problems (as shown by the appearance of the green screen), the delay in having a quiz looked it is automatic -- the editors aren't involved with it at all. Sending a quiz to the back of the queue again doesn't accomplish anything; the eds will still have to look at it at some point!
We may be volunteers but we do try to do our job in a professional way.
It's worth noting that the save button can sometimes be clicked accidentally, by hitting the ENTER key at the wrong point.
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#106368 - Wed Jan 28 2009 12:47 PM
Re: Quiz Queues .. waiting time
[Re: CellarDoor]
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I am not making accusations or implying malicious intent has taken place at all. My apologies if it was taken as such.
I am wanting to know why this quiz has a date stamp of January 26th, when I have not touched it to make a change since I submitted it on January 8th. I have clicked the edit button, to go and see if there were any notes after the submission date, and upon seeing none, have left that page without ever clicking save, submit or anything.
If an editor time stamps the quiz, for some reason, shouldn't the creator be informed, somehow, as to when and why?
If things are that sensitive, that the quiz can be sent back to the end of the queue if you "It's worth noting that the save button can sometimes be clicked accidentally, by hitting the ENTER key at the wrong point." do this, then shouldn't that be fixed? I really don't think this is what has happened, in this case, but wonder who it has happened to. If this is happening, it needs to be fixed, I would think.
Anyway, I am off working on another interesting quiz, with a lot of research to be had. Thanks for your input.
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#106369 - Wed Jan 28 2009 01:20 PM
Re: Quiz Queues .. waiting time
[Re: funnytrivianna]
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If you don't make a significant change, the date that you see doesn't change. Same as when you are editing a quiz that you have not yet submitted. The 'quiz history' at the top of every quiz only updates if you change the title or the category, it doesn't create a new entry every time you write a new question or add interesting info or whatever. So if, for an example an editor starts editing your quiz and fixes a typo or two and re-saves, you wouldn't see in the quiz history that that happened. It could be that you submitted your quiz on the 8th, an editor started looking at it on the 26th, only got halfway through and is coming back to it at another time. (Though I'm not saying that is what happened, because I believe if an editor starts editing a quiz and has to leave it for a day or two, they mark it with their name, or do let the other editors know in some way that they started on it).
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#106370 - Wed Jan 28 2009 01:27 PM
Re: Quiz Queues .. waiting time
[Re: funnytrivianna]
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If things are that sensitive, that the quiz can be sent back to the end of the queue if you "It's worth noting that the save button can sometimes be clicked accidentally, by hitting the ENTER key at the wrong point." do this, then shouldn't that be fixed? I really don't think this is what has happened, in this case, but wonder who it has happened to. If this is happening, it needs to be fixed, I would think.
I think CellarDoor was just mentioning the fact that, on virtually any site, "Enter" will activate the 'big gray button' (I'm not sure what else to call it). Like on Google: you type something in the search box and hit "Enter" to activate the search button. If you were in the habit of using Backspace to return to the previous page, you might press "Enter" by mistake and your page gets saved. It's not really a problem with the page.
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#106371 - Wed Jan 28 2009 02:12 PM
Re: Quiz Queues .. waiting time
[Re: darthrevan89]
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Thank you guitargoddess! Your reply has made a lot of sense. I had not thought about that possibility either.
I do know that quiz authors are anxious to see their creations appear on line, and many wonder why there are delays that seem endless from the author's perspective. Two weeks is not a long time waiting at all. I had wondered about the time stamping and your response makes sense. I am happy that I was given some form of a straightforward response.
Thanks!
Darthrevan89, that reply makes sense as well, but I did not press enter at any time either, but I imagine many do without realizing it.
Thanks for your nice reply too!
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#106373 - Wed Jan 28 2009 04:26 PM
Re: Quiz Queues .. waiting time
[Re: guitargoddess]
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If you don't make a significant change, the date that you see doesn't change. Same as when you are editing a quiz that you have not yet submitted. The 'quiz history' at the top of every quiz only updates if you change the title or the category, it doesn't create a new entry every time you write a new question or add interesting info or whatever. So if, for an example an editor starts editing your quiz and fixes a typo or two and re-saves, you wouldn't see in the quiz history that that happened. It could be that you submitted your quiz on the 8th, an editor started looking at it on the 26th, only got halfway through and is coming back to it at another time. (Though I'm not saying that is what happened, because I believe if an editor starts editing a quiz and has to leave it for a day or two, they mark it with their name, or do let the other editors know in some way that they started on it).
It doesn't matter if the change is significant or not... or even if you make a change. As long as you hit the 'save' button on the quiz edit screen, you get a new 'submitted' date.
This is because the computer doesn't know how to distinguish between a quiz that is newly submitted to the queue or one that is being saved.
If an editor does go into your quiz and does some edits, they will not wait for it to come back to the top of the queue to edit as that wouldn't be fair.
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#106376 - Wed Jan 28 2009 05:28 PM
Re: Quiz Queues .. waiting time
[Re: Leau]
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Of course I know these hard working editors have private lives and they also want to play trivia, not just edit. Gosh, of course I know this. There is no way that I have ever thought otherwise! Okay, I think I am getting the understanding of this now. That once the editor begins the editing process, even if they are called to the phone, have an emergency, become ill, whatever, that quiz remains at the front of the queue line, until such time the editor can finish the editing, with the quiz either going on line, or receiving a correction notice. I was misunderstanding it to mean, that if an editor changed anything, not able to finish editing that day, that would send the quiz to the back of the queue line as though it had just been submitted. My misunderstanding, for sure, but reading over this again, it makes sense, obviously for me and for others who wonder the same things. So, back to the original question: if my quiz, has a time stamp of January 26, as stated earlier in this discussion, and I am not responsible for this time stamping change, because I did not change, correct or click anything, then this would mean that the editor most likely has been editing the quiz, but is not yet finished with the editing, for whatever personal or private reason? This would be why nothing is in my log about it? I do want to say, it is great to be able to have these discussions in order to be able to understand how these things work. I appreciate this a lot.
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#106379 - Thu Jan 29 2009 01:24 PM
Re: Quiz Queues .. waiting time
[Re: bloomsby]
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More often than not, a quiz is held up by some concern an editor has about sources, or the way it's written. Sometimes I will edit a quiz then think, 'great, I think this one's ready to go.' and ooops, I come across something I know will be a correction note magnet.
I cannot in all honesty release it by fixing that myself as the person won't know what's been done. This will hold up the process on a quiz.
Sometimes the entire queue is full of quizzes that have one or two iffy questions and that's when things get blocked.
I think I've probably said it several times over the years, but, if your writing is very consistent across the subject areas and you improve it steadily with the help of the editors or on your own, an editor can pluck it out and get it online very quickly. If there are things preventing its dispatch, then, it will take longer.
that's the bottom line for me as an editor.
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#106380 - Fri Jan 30 2009 10:10 PM
Re: Quiz Queues .. waiting time
[Re: Bruyere]
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Heya Heather,
That reply was really nicely written and very helpful. Thanks for your input.
When you editors let we authors know these things, in such a pleasant way, it makes it so much easier to accept the waiting times and to understand why the waiting times are long some of the time.
Thanks again!
Giz
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