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#1178228 - Tue Oct 17 2017 06:45 PM Results & Standings .. FA Cup
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FA Cup
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The FA Cup, which started in 1872, is the world's oldest football knock-out competition .. season 2018 is the 137th edition. The preliminary qualifying rounds started in mid-August. The Football Association has accepted entries from 737 teams for this season's FA Cup, comprising 645 non-league teams plus the 92 league teams. The all-time record field is 763 teams, which was set in 2012. The 92 league teams are the 44 in the FAPL (20) and FLC (24), plus the 48 teams in League One and League Two (24 each).
  • the 4th and last qualifying round for the 645 non-league teams
    was played last weekend Saturday 14th October.
  • the 32 survivors from the qualifiers progress to the First Round
    where they join the 48 teams in L1 and L2 (equals 80 teams).
  • the 20 survivors from the Second Round will join the FAPL and
    FLC teams in the Third Round (equals 64 teams).
  • from there it's a straight knock-out through to the final in May.
This year's FA Cup tipping comp will run for a bit over 6˝ months over 10 rounds from Saturday 4th November 2017 until Saturday 19th May 2018 (First Round through to the FA Cup Final). Although there are 10 rounds in the tipping comp we only lodge picks on 8 occasions:
  • the First Round of 40 games will be split into two rounds of 16 games each by ignoring 8 games.
  • the Second Round has 20 games .. 4 games are ignored.
  • the Third Round of 32 games is be split into two rounds of 16 games each.
  • that's 5 tipping rounds which, with the remaining 5 rounds, gives us 10 tipping rounds.
  • we also have advance picks thrown in so that all 10 rounds are worth 16 pts each.

The dates for each round in this year's comp are as follows:
    1st Round : Saturday 4 November 2017
    2nd Round : Saturday 2 December 2017
    3rd Round : Saturday 6 January 2018
    4th Round : Saturday 27 January 2018
    5th Round : Saturday 17 February 2018
    6th Round : Saturday 17 March 2018   quarters
    7th Round : Saturday 21 April 2018     semi-finals
    8th Round : Saturday 19 May 2018      FA Cup Final
The rules for the FA Cup tipping comp are simple (they're the same as last year):
    points

    default


    upsets

    perfect picks

    other bonus pts



    dead-heats
    one point for each correct pick .. home win, draw, away win. In other words,
    it's always at 90 minutes; penalty-shootout lotteries are ignored.
    if you forget to pick, the away teams are all yours (ineligible for bonus pts);
    but if the wooden spoon score is higher, default is the ws score. Default for
    the semi-finals, the final and advance picks is the wooden spoon score.
    you score a bonus point if you pick a game solo .. or one of two players if we
    have 10+ runners; or one of three if we have 18 or more runners.
    one bonus point for 10+/16;
    13/16 or higher receives a further bonus point (plus a knighthood from HM).
    no one picks win, whoever picks a draw;
    no one picks draw, whoever picks the upset win;
    if you pick all home teams or all bar one (or all bar two R1 to R4), ineligible
    for bonus pts.
    weekly wins vs. wooden spoon countback determine podium finishes; if they
    are identical, bonus pts will be used.

This year's comp is the 16th edition of the FA Cup tipping comp. Last season's comp was won by ozzz2002 whose one and only weekly win was in the last round when, with some outrageous but astute picks, he went from 2nd last to first! .. srini701 is the only person to win this three times and the only person to retain his title (when he won it in 2009 and 2010). He's had three podium finishes in this comp, all gold. Howie72 and PaulE hold the record for most podium finishes with four each (none were gold for Howie72 and two were gold for PaulE).
    .Previous winners & medallists:
    .2003
    2004
    2005
    2006
    2007
    2008
    2009
    2010
    2011
    2012
    2013
    2014
    2015
    2016
    2017.
    silverginger
    halfbakedangi
    Sypher
    halfbakedangi
    PaulE
    LeoDaVinci
    srini701
    srini701
    KrivoyRog
    superhooppete
    PaulE
    KrivoyRog
    srini701
    N-Bomb
    ozzz2002
    gtho4
    manvinder01
    treble99
    Sypher
    Howie72
    gtho4
    LeoDaVinci
    paper_aero
    triviapaul
    trev1
    George95
    dg_dave
    dg_dave
    Sypher
    Howie72
    Dazzy_D
    Sypher
    ElfTwinkle
    PaulE
    gtho4
    Howie72
    PaulE
    Howie72
    BxBarracuda
    illiniman14
    illiniman14
    PaulE
    paper_aero
    paper_aero
    N-Bomb
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The draw for the First Round took place earlier this week on Monday 16th October at 7:10pm local time. The tipping thread for the First Round will be posted later in the week. If you'd like to have a go at this year's comp, please sign-in and have a go!


Edited by gtho4 (Wed Nov 08 2017 07:34 AM)

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#1178229 - Tue Oct 17 2017 06:45 PM FA Cup .. sign-up sheet
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Edited by gtho4 (Fri Oct 20 2017 06:55 PM)

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#1178234 - Tue Oct 17 2017 07:39 PM Re: FA Cup .. sign-up sheet
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I'm in

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#1178251 - Tue Oct 17 2017 09:34 PM Re: FA Cup .. sign-up sheet
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Back for another year...and maybe I can snag a gold this time...lol.
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#1178256 - Wed Oct 18 2017 12:55 AM Re: FA Cup .. sign-up sheet
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Registered: Wed Feb 09 2000
Posts: 4054
Loc: Leeds Yorkshire England       
I'm in for another cup run.

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#1178259 - Wed Oct 18 2017 02:14 AM Re: FA Cup .. sign-up sheet
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Registered: Fri Mar 16 2007
Posts: 20194
Loc: Buckhaven Fife Scotland UK   
I'm in

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#1178695 - Fri Oct 20 2017 11:38 PM Re: FA Cup .. sign-up sheet
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  Tipping thread for Round One is up.

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#1178703 - Sat Oct 21 2017 12:40 AM Re: FA Cup .. sign-up sheet
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#1179030 - Wed Oct 25 2017 09:15 AM Re: FA Cup .. sign-up sheet
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Posts: 782
Loc: Manitoba Canada
I'm in too.
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#1179224 - Thu Oct 26 2017 05:30 PM Re: FA Cup .. sign-up sheet
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Registered: Wed Mar 23 2005
Posts: 1991
Loc: Brisbane
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I'm in!

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#1180682 - Thu Nov 09 2017 07:57 AM Results & Standings .. FA Cup
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Football Association Challenge Cup

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FA Cup
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2018
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Saturday 4th November
1st Round
    17 of 17 players lodged tips

    correct picks
    17-0-00
    1-4-12
    16-0-10
    410-30
    14-3-00
    14-1-20
    17-0-00
    1-4-12
    0-1-16
    10-3-30
    8-5-40
    13-2-20
    13-2-20
    11-2-40
    10-5-20
    9-3-50
    3-1
    2-1
    2-0
    3-2
    2-4
    0-1
    2-0
    2-1
    2-6
    1-0
    0-6
    2-0
    2-1
    1-0
    1-0
    3-0
    17
    1
    16
    4

    0

    2

    17

    1
    16
    10
    4
    13
    13
    11
    10
    9
    Blackburn Rovers v Barnet
    Boreham Wood v Blackpool
    Bradford City v Chesterfield
    Carlisle United v Oldham Athletic
    Cheltenham Town v Maidstone Utd
    Colchester United v Oxford City
    Coventry City v Maidenhead United
    Crewe Alexandra v Rotherham Utd
    Ebbsfleet United v Doncaster Rovers
    Forest Green Rovers v Macclesfield T
    Gainsborough Trinity v Slough Town
    Gateshead v Chelmsford City
    Gillingham v Leyton Orient
    Hereford v Telford United
    Luton Town v Portsmouth
    Morecambe v Hartlepool United

    N-Bomb
    dg_dave
    wwe84 dg_dave FussBudget ozzz2002
    wwe84 LeoDaVinci FussBudget
    wwe84 ozzz2002
    . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
    wwe84
    George95

    dg_dave LeoDaVinci srini701 illiniman14
    dg_dave LeoDaVinci ozzz2002 toocool4u
    dg_dave FussBudget srini701 wwe84


    .
    144
    wwe84 did not lodge a pick for Forest Green Rovers v Macclesfield Town
    Coventry City v Maidenhead United was reschedule to Sunday
Round 1a
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Tipping Comp Standings
 
position points
----- ----- ----------
TW LW hi-lo LW TW bp
----- ----- ----------hf ws
1 1-1 N-Bomb bs 0 11 12 1 2
2 2-2 wwe84 wss 0 8 11 3
2 2 2 FussBudget b 0 10 11 1
2 2-2 Howie72 b 0 10 11 1
2 2-2 Sypher b 0 10 11 1
6 6-6 LeoDaVinci w 0 8 9 1
6 6-6 ozzz2002 s 0 8 9 1
6 6-6 illiniman14 0 9 9
6 6-6 paper-aero 0 9 9
6 6-6 PaulE 0 9 9
6 6-6 ElfTwinkle 0 9 9
12 12-12 George95 b 0 7 8 1
12 12-12 Dizart 0 8 8
12 12-12 dg_dave 0 8 8
12 12-12 gtho4 0 8 8
16 16-16 srini701 0 6 6 1
16 16-16 toocool4u 0 6 6 1
late starters 8
144 1 2 11
home 0 12 12
draw 0 - 0
away(default) 0 4 4
wooden spoon 0 6 6
best picks 0 11 11
perfect 0 16 16
bonus pts 0 11 11

 b = bonus point for picking 10/16 or better.
 x = perfect picks or near miss 13+/16.
 s = bonus pt for picking result solo, or one of two.
 w = bonus for picking a draw, no one picked winner.
 o = no one picked draw. Bonus for picking upset win.
bp = total bonus points for the year.
default is WS score if it's more than the aways.
ineligible for bonus pts if picks are all home or all bar one (or all bar two for R1 to R4).
default is WS score last two rounds (semis and final) and for advance picks.

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Weekly Leaders


1a +1 N-Bomb
1b
2.
3a
3b
4.
5.
6.
7.
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week
Hall of Fame
Wooden Spoon
    H-x-A  avge bp
1a 12- -4 52.9% 11 11/16 N-Bomb 6/16 srini701 toocool4u
1b .
2 .
3a .
3b .
4 .
5
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11 1 2

Last year's FA Cup comp had a field of 18 runners. This year there were 17 runners at the gate when the starter fired his gun. All of us returned for another dose apart from nasty_liar.

Two games were picked by everyone and we hit pay dirt with both. Nobody picked the loss at home by Cheltenham Town, who play in League Two (the 4th tier of English football), to the non-league team Maidstone. Three players scored a bonus point for picking a draw.

There were three other upsets: non-league Boreham Wood beat Blackpool (League One). N-Bomb picked this and scored a bonus point; Crewe Alexandra of League Two beat League One team Rotherham Utd (wwe84); plus League Two team Colchester Utd lost at home to non-league Oxford City (wwe84 and ozzz2002).

The 16 games in finished 12 home and 4 away. There were no draws, not one. N-Bomb picked zero draws and duly scored the win with 11/16 for a bonus point .. another three players also collected a bonus point for picking 10+/16 (FussBudget, Sypher and Howie72). Last year nobody was able to reach double digits with correct picks in the first round. This year we had four.

srini701 and toocool4u collected the first wooden spoons for the season with 6/16.




Edited by gtho4 (Sat Nov 11 2017 04:36 PM)
Edit Reason: fix typo

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#1180910 - Sat Nov 11 2017 07:43 AM Results & Standings .. FA Cup
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Football Association Challenge Cup

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FA Cup
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2018
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Saturday 4th November
1st Round
    17 of 17 players lodged tips

    correct picks
    14-1-20
    17-0-00
    1-2-14
    16-1-00
    0-2-15
    4-8-50
    3-7-70
    16-0-10
    13-2-20
    16-0-10
    14-2-10
    0-3-14
    16-1-00
    16-1-00
    10-5-20
    1-4-12
    1-0
    3-1
    1-5
    3-1
    0-0
    2-1
    0-0
    1-1
    1-0
    4-0
    5-0
    0-2
    5-0
    2-1
    1-0
    1-0
    14
    17

    14
    16
    2
    4
    7

    0

    13
    16
    14
    14
    16
    16
    10
    1
    Cambridge United v Sutton United
    Charlton Athletic v Truro City
    Dartford v Swindon Town
    Exeter City v Heybridge Swifts
    Guiseley v Accrington Stanley
    Newport County v Walsall
    Northampton Town v Scunthorpe Utd
    Peterborough Utd v Tranmere Rovers
    Plymouth Argyle v Grimsby Town
    Rochdale v Bromley
    Shrewsbury Town v Aldershot Town
    Solihull Moors v Wycombe Wand
    Stevenage v Nantwich Town
    Wigan Athletic v Crawley Town
    Wimbledon v Lincoln City
    Yeovil Town v Southend United
    FussBudget toocool4u srini701

    George95 wwe84 N-Bomb
    FussBudget
    LeoDaVinci toocool4u

    . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
    George95

    dg_dave
    ozzz2002  wwe84 srini701
    FussBudget wwe84 toocool4u
    FussBudget
    FussBudget

    ozzz2002 .
    174
Round 1b
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Tipping Comp Standings
 
position points
----- ----- ----------
TW LW hi-lo LW TW bp
----- ----- ----------hf ws
1 2 1-2 Sypher b 11 12 24 1 2
2 1 1-2 N-Bomb b 12 10 23 1 3
2 2 2-2 Howie72 b 11 11 23 2
4 6 4-6 ElfTwinkle b 9 12 22 1 1
4 6 4-6 LeoDaVinci bs 9 11 22 3
4 6 4-6 ozzz2002 bs 9 11 22 3
7 12 7-12 gtho4 b 8 12 21 1 1
7 6 6-7 illiniman14 b 9 11 21 1
7 6 6-7 paper-aero b 9 11 21 1
7 6 6-7 PaulE b 9 11 21 1
11 2 2-11 wwe84 11 8 19 3
11 12 11-12 Dizart b 8 10 19 1
11 12 11-12 dg_dave b 8 10 19 1
14 12 12-14 George95 w 8 9 18 2
14 2 2 14 FussBudget 11 7 18 1 1
16 16 16-16 toocool4u s 6 9 16 1 1
17 16 16-17 srini701 6 9 15 1
late starters 19
174 4 3 27
home 12 11 23
draw 0 3 3
away(default) 4 2 6
wooden spoon 6 7 13
best picks 11 12 23
perfect 16 16 32
bonus pts 11 16 27

b = bonus point for picking 10/16 or better.
x = perfect picks or near miss 13+/16.
s = bonus pt for picking result solo, or one of two.
w = bonus for picking a draw, no one picked winner.
o = no one picked draw. Bonus for picking upset win.
bp = total bonus points for the year.
default is WS score if it's more than the aways.
ineligible for bonus pts if picks are all home or all bar one (or all bar two for R1 to R4).
default is WS score last two rounds (semis and final) and for advance picks.

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Weekly Leaders


1a +1 N-Bomb
1b +1 Sypher
2.
3a
3b
4.
5.
6.
7.
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week
Hall of Fame
Wooden Spoon
    H-x-A  avge bp
1a 12- -4 52.9% 11 11/16 N-Bomb 6/16 srini701 toocool4u
1b 11-3-2 64.0 16 12/16 ElfTwinkle gtho4 Sypher 7/16 FussBudget
2 .
3a .
3b .
4 .
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27 4 3

Another round where most games were played according to the script .. 12 of 17 picked 10+/16 and each scored a bonus pt. That column now has only one blank after just two rounds of picks.

We had three winners and only one wooden spoon ... and an almost perfect game of musical chairs. No-one kept their spot from the previous round apart from toocool4u in 16th place.

Sypher has replaced N-bomb at the top of the pile. The first ten are separated by a mere 3 pts .. and 4 pts separate the remaining seven runners.




Edited by gtho4 (Mon Nov 13 2017 01:13 AM)
Edit Reason: fix typo from R1 plus add error

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#1180930 - Sat Nov 11 2017 10:40 AM Re: Results & Standings .. FA Cup
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Poor srini...he doesn't have a bonus point. frown

And ElfTwinkle didn't get a Spoon in Week 1...she had 9. Toocool4u desn't show a Spoon, yet got one in Week 1.


Edited by dg_dave (Sat Nov 11 2017 10:42 AM)
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#1183404 - Tue Dec 05 2017 05:01 AM Results & Standings .. FA Cup
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Football Association Challenge Cup

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FA Cup
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2018
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Saturday 2nd December
2nd Round
    17 of 17 players lodged tips

    correct picks
    17-0-00
    12-2-30
    14-3-00
    2-4-11
    15-1-10
    3-6-80
    2-0-15
    9-5-30
    16-1-00
    15-1-10
    10-5-20
    12-4-10
    16-0-10
    2-0-15
    5-4-80
    3-7-70
    3-3
    3-1
    3-0
    3-0
    1-1
    3-3
    0-5
    1-1
    3-0
    4-1
    2-0
    1-1
    2-0
    0-4
    5-2
    3-1
    0
    12
    14
    2
    1
    6
    15
    5
    16
    15
    10
    4
    16
    15
    5
    3
    Blackb Rovers v Crewe Alexandra
    Bradford City v Plymouth Argyle
    Coventry City v Boreham Wood
    Doncaster Rov v Scunthorpe Utd
    Fleetwood Town v Hereford
    Forest Green Rovers v Exeter City
    Gateshead v Luton Town
    Gillingham v Carlisle United
    Mansfield Town v Guiseley
    Milton Keynes Dons v Maidstone
    Newport County v Cambridge Utd
    Port Vale v Yeovil Town
    Shrewsbury Town v Morecambe
    Slough Town v Rochdale
    Stevenage v Swindon Town
    Wimbledon v Charlton Athletic


    illiniman14 toocool4u wwe84
    N-Bomb dg_dave
    gtho4
    . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
    Howie72 srini701

    ozzz2002
    FussBudget gtho4


    ozzz2002
    FussBudget gtho4

    N-Bomb srini701 Sypher .
    139
    Slough Town v Rochdale was played on Monday night
Round 2
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Tipping Comp Standings
 
position points
----- ----- ----------
TW LW hi-lo LW TW bp
----- ----- ----------hf ws
1 2 1-2 N-Bomb bs 23 11 36 2 5
2 4 4-6 ElfTwinkle b 22 11 34 2 2
3 1 1-3 Sypher 24 9 33 1 2
4 2 2-4 Howie72 23 8 31 2
5 4 4-6 LeoDaVinci 22 8 30 3
5 7 5-7 illiniman14 21 9 30 1
5 7 5-7 PaulE 21 9 30 1
8 7 7-12 gtho4 s 21 7 29 1 2
8 14 8-14 George95 b 18 10 29 3
8 7 6-8 paper_aero 21 8 29 1
11 11 11-12 dg_dave s 19 8 28 2
12 11 2-12 wwe84 19 8 27 3
12 11 11-12 Dizart 19 8 27 1
14 4 4-14 ozzz2002 22 4 26 1 3
15 14 2 15 FussBudget 18 6 24 1 1
16 16 16-16 toocool4u 16 7 23 1 1
16 17 16-17 srini701 15 8 23 1
late starters 25
139 6 4 33
home 23 9 32
draw 3 5 8
away(default) 6 2 8
wooden spoon 13 4 17
best picks 23 11 34
perfect 32 16 48
bonus pts 27 6 33

b = bonus point for picking 10/16 or better.
x = perfect picks or near miss 13+/16.
s = bonus pt for picking result solo, or one of two.
w = bonus for picking a draw, no one picked winner.
o = no one picked draw. Bonus for picking upset win.
bp= total bonus points for the year.
default is WS score if it's more than the aways.
ineligible for bonus pts if picks are all home or all bar one (or all bar two for R1 to R4).
default is WS score last two rounds (semis and final) and for advance picks.

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Weekly Leaders


1a +1 N-Bomb
1b +1 Sypher
2. +2 N-Bomb
3a
3b
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.



week
Hall of Fame
Wooden Spoon
    H-x-A  avge bp
1a 12- -4 52.9% 11 11/16 N-Bomb 6/16 srini701 toocool4u
1b 11-3-2 64.0% 16 12/16 ElfTwinkle gtho4 Sypher 7/16 FussBudget
2 9-5-2 51.1% 6 11/16 ElfTwinkle N-Bomb 4/16 ozzz2002
3a .
3b .
4 .
5
6
7
8
32-8-8 33 6 4

Sypher steps aside for the two winners, N-Bomb and ElfTwinkle, and drops back from 1st to 3rd place. These three have put 2 pts between themselves and the rest of the field.

Howie72 in 4th place is now 5 pts behind the leader .. the next 5 points cover 11 players (out of a field of 17). To complete the symmetry, the three at the rear of the field are separated by a single point.

In the previous round no-one kept their spot from the previous round apart from toocool4u in 16th place. This round was again an almost perfect game of musical chairs: no-one kept their spot from the previous round apart from toocool4u in 16th place (again) and dg_dave in 11th place.

The draw for the 3rd Round took place last night in London and, for the sixth time in the last 125 years, we have a Merseyside derby in the FA Cup: Liverpool v Everton. Liverpool have failed to beat Everton in their previous five meetings at Anfield in the FA Cup, or in their only League Cup tie at Anfield:
    25 Jan 1902  Liverpool v Everton  x  2-2  FA Cup
    04 Feb 1905 Liverpool v Everton x 1-1 FA Cup
    25 Mar 1950 Liverpool v Everton L 0-2 FA Cup
    28 Oct 1987 Liverpool v Everton L 0-1 League Cup
    17 Feb 1991 Liverpool v Everton x 0-0 FA Cup
    25 Jan 2009 Liverpool v Everton x 1-1 FA Cup
    Everton were formed in 1878 (foundation member of Football League in 1888). Liverpool began in 1892 (joined Second Division in 1893).
The games in the Third Round will be posted next week, when the six Second Round replays decide who joins the 58 teams that are through: FA Cup - 3rd Round - Sat 6 Jan. Please note that the FA will probably bring one or two games forward to Friday night.




Edited by gtho4 (Tue Dec 12 2017 03:03 PM)

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#1186833 - Sat Jan 06 2018 06:04 PM Results & Standings .. FA Cup
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FA Cup
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2018
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Saturday 6th January
3rd Round
    16 of 17 players lodged tips

    correct picks
    16-0-00
    11-4-10
    6-6-40
    1-4-11
    13-2-10
    14-1-10
    14-2-00
    1-2-13
    3-1-12
    12-3-10
    0-3-13
    0-0-16
    5-5-60
    14-0-10
    15-0-10
    15-0-00
    1-3
    1-0
    0-1
    1-2
    2-2
    0-1
    0-0
    0-0
    2-1
    0-1
    0-2
    0-0
    0-1
    2-1
    2-0
    2-0
    0
    11
    4
    11
    2
    1
    2
    2
    3
    1
    13

    0

    6
    14
    15

    16
    Aston Villa v Peterborough United
    Birmingham City v Burton Albion
    Blackburn Rovers v Hull City
    Bolton Wand v Huddersfield Town
    Bournemouth v Wigan Athletic
    Brentford v Notts County
    Cardiff City v Mansfield Town
    Carlisle United v Sheff Wednesday
    Coventry City v Stoke City
    Doncaster Rovers v Rochdale
    Exeter City v West Bromwich Alb
    Fleetwood Town v Leicester City
    Fulham v Southampton
    Liverpool v Everton
    Middlesbrough v Sunderland
    Manchester United v Derby County


    . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
    ozzz2002 toocxol4u PaulE Sypher
    ozzz2002 wwe84
    ozzz2002
    ozzz2002 toocool4u
    Dizart wwe84

    N-Bomb
    FussBudget Geworge95 wwe84


    Fussbudget illiniman14
    ozzz2002
    .
    101
    Liverpool v Everton and Manch Utd v Derby were played on Friday night
    illiniman14 missed these but received a gimme for Manchester United
Round 3a
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Tipping Comp Standings
 
position points
----- ----- ----------
TW LW hi-lo LW TW bp
----- ----- ----------hf ws
1 1 1-2 N-Bomb s 36 7 44 2 6
2 2 2-6 ElfTwinkle 34 6 40 2 2
2 3 1-3 Sypher 33 7 40 1 2
4 12 2-12 wwe84 ss 27 9 38 1 5
4 14 4-14 ozzz2002 sss 26 9 38 1 1 6
4 5 4-7 PaulE 30 8 38 1
7 5 4-7 LeoDaVinci 30 37 3
8 8 7-12 gtho4 29 6 35 1 2
8 11 8-12 dg_dave 28 7 35 2
8 8 6-8 paper_aero 29 6 35 1
8 5 5-8 illiniman14 30 5 35 1
8 4 2-8 Howie72 31 4 35 1 2
13 12 11-13 Dizart s 27 6 34 2
14 8 8-14 George95 29 4 33 1 3
15 16 15-16 toocool4u s 23 8 32 1 2
16 16 16-17 srini701 23 5 28 1
16 15 2 16 FussBudget 24 4 28 2 1
late starters 31
101 8 7 41
home 32 5 37
draw 8 4 12
away(default) 8 7 15
wooden spoon 17 4 21
best picks 34 9 43
perfect 48 16 64
bonus pts 33 8 41

b = bonus point for picking 10/16 or better.
x = perfect picks or near miss 13+/16.
s = bonus pt for picking result solo, or one of two.
w = bonus for picking a draw, no one picked winner.
o = no one picked draw. Bonus for picking upset win.
bp= total bonus points for the year.
default is WS score if it's more than the aways.
ineligible for bonus pts if picks are all home or all bar one (or all bar two for R1 to R4).
default is WS score last two rounds (semis and final) and for advance picks.

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Weekly Leaders


1a +1 N-Bomb
1b +1 Sypher
2. +2 N-Bomb
3a +4 N-Bomb
3b
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.



week
Hall of Fame
Wooden Spoon
    H-x-A  avge bp
1a 12- -4 52.9% 11 11/16 N-Bomb 6/16 srini701 toocool4u
1b 11-3-2 64.0% 16 12/16 ElfTwinkle gtho4 Sypher 7/16 FussBudget
2 9-5-2 51.1% 6 11/16 ElfTwinkle N-Bomb 4/16 ozzz2002
3a 5-4-7 52.6% 8 9/16 ozzz2002 wwe84 4/16 FussBudget George95 Howie72
3b .
4 .
5
6
7
8
37-12-15 41 8 7

Once again, the FA Cup continues to generate upsets in the THird Round, when the FAPL & FLC teams enter the comp. No-one reached double digits for correct pricks. Two games were picked by no-one, and five games were picked by one or two.

ozzz2002 & wwe84 were this round's winners with 9/16 (their first for the season). They both did it the hard way: ozzz2002 with three solo picks and wwe84 with two. The three wooden spooners scored 4/16. Dizart, N-Bomb and toocol4u were the other three bonus points.

N-Bomb extends hi lead out front to 4 points. The next six are separated by a mere 3 pts. Ditto the next eight: they're 2 pts in arrears and are also separated by a mere 3 pts. From there there's a gap of 4 pts to the two tail-enders.

For the sixth time in the last 125 years, we had a Merseyside derby in the FA Cup: Liverpool v Everton. Liverpool have failed to beat Everton in their previous five meetings in the FA Cup, or in their only League Cup tie, at Anfield. They beat Everton
2-1 to end this 125-year streak.

Round 3b: the remainder of the Third Round will be completed on Monday night.



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#1186835 - Sat Jan 06 2018 06:33 PM Re: Results & Standings .. FA Cup
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No-one reached double digits for correct pricks.


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#1186878 - Sun Jan 07 2018 05:03 AM Re: Results & Standings .. FA Cup
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lol,
it was the spell checker, trust me!

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#1186905 - Sun Jan 07 2018 09:34 PM Re: Results & Standings .. FA Cup
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#1186907 - Sun Jan 07 2018 10:29 PM Re: Results & Standings .. FA Cup
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Originally Posted By: gtho4
lol,
it was the spell checker, trust me!


I don't trust spell checkers. See here and here.
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#1187020 - Tue Jan 09 2018 05:49 PM Results & Standings .. FA Cup
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Football Association Challenge Cup

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FA Cup
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oo
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2018
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Saturday 6th January
3rd Round
    16 of 17 players lodged tips

    correct picks
    8-5-30
    4-9-30
    16-0-00
    12-3-10
    16-0-00
    0-0-16
    0-0-16
    0-0-16
    15-1-00
    1-2-13
    1-7-80
    16-0-00
    13-1-20
    13-2-10
    3-3-10
    3-3-10
    2-1
    0-1
    4-1
    4-1
    3-1
    2-1
    0-0
    4-2
    0-1
    0-0
    0-0
    3-0
    3-0
    0-0
    1-5
    2-0
    8
    3

    16

    12

    16
    0
    0
    0
    0

    2
    7

    16

    13
    2
    10
    3
    Brighton & Hove Alb v Crystal Pal
    Ipswich Town v Sheffield United
    Manchester City v Burnley
    Millwall v Barnsley
    Newcastle United v Luton Town
    Newport County v Leeds United
    Norwich City v Chelsea
    Nottingham Forest v Arsenal
    Queens Park Rangers v MK Dons
    Shrewsbury Town v West Ham Utd
    Stevenage v Reading
    Tottenham Hotspur v Wimbledon
    Watford v Bristol City
    Wolverh Wanderers v Swansea City
    Wycombe Wand v Preston N End
    Yeovil Town v Bradford City

    N-Bomb dg_dave ozzz2002
    . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .
    wwe84 toocool4u ozzz2002 FussBudget




    wwe84
    George95 FussBudget


    George95 srini701 ozzz2002
    wwe84 toocool4u

    wwe84 dg_dave FussBudget .
    108
    Brighton & Hove Albion v Crystal Palace was played on Monday night
Round 3b
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Tipping Comp Standings
 
position points
----- ----- ----------
TW LW hi-lo LW TW bp
----- ----- ----------hf ws
1 1 1-2 N-Bomb 44 8 52 2 6
2 4 2-12 wwe84 ws 38 8 48 1 7
3 2 2-6 ElfTwinkle 40 6 46 2 2
3 2 1-3 Sypher 40 6 46 1 2
5 8 5-12 dg_dave 35 9 44 1 2
5 4 4-14 ozzz2002 38 6 44 1 1 6
5 4 4-7 PaulE 38 6 44 1
8 8 2-8 Howie72 35 8 43 1 2
9 8 7-12 gtho4 35 7 42 1 2
9 7 4-9 LeoDaVinci 37 42 3
9 8 5-9 illiniman14 35 7 42 1
12 8 6-12 paper_aero 35 6 41 1
12 14 8-14 George95 s 33 7 41 1 4
14 15 14-16 toocool4u s 32 7 40 1 3
15 13 11-15 Dizart 34 5 39 1 2
16 16 2 16 FussBudget s 28 7 36 2 2
17 16 16-17 srini701 28 5 33 2
late starters 38
108 9 9 46
home 37 9 46
draw 12 4 16
away(default) 15 3 18
wooden spoon 21 5 26
best picks 43 9 52
perfect 64 16 80
bonus pts 41 5 46

b = bonus point for picking 10/16 or better.
x = perfect picks or near miss 13+/16.
s = bonus pt for picking result solo, or one of two.
w = bonus for picking a draw, no one picked winner.
o = no one picked draw. Bonus for picking upset win.
bp= total bonus points for the year.
default is WS score if it's more than the aways.
ineligible for bonus pts if picks are all home or all bar one (or all bar two for R1 to R4).
default is WS score last two rounds (semis and final) and for advance picks.

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Weekly Leaders


1a +1 N-Bomb
1b +1 Sypher
2. +2 N-Bomb
3a +4 N-Bomb
3b +4 N-Bomb
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.



week
Hall of Fame
Wooden Spoon
    H-x-A  avge bp
1a 12- -4 52.9% 11 11/16 N-Bomb 6/16 srini701 toocool4u
1b 11-3-2 64.0% 16 12/16 ElfTwinkle gtho4 Sypher 7/16 FussBudget
2 9-5-2 51.1% 6 11/16 ElfTwinkle N-Bomb 4/16 ozzz2002
3a 5-4-7 52.6% 8 9/16 ozzz2002 wwe84 4/16 FussBudget George95 Howie72
3b 9-4-3 56.2% 5 9/16 dg_dave 5/16 srini701 Dizart
4 .
5
6
7
8
46-16-18 46 9 9

The upsets continued in the other half of the Third Round - once again no-one reached double digits for correct picks. Four games were picked by no-one! .. and four were picked by two or three.

dg_dave was this round's winner (his first for the season). He climbs up into 5th place, a new high for the season. The two wooden spooners scored 5/16. Dizart collected his first spoon and srini701 his second.

New highs: dg_dave, toocool4u
New lows : LeoDaVinci, illiniman14, paper_aero, Dizart

N-Bomb maintains his 4 pt lead out front. The six behind him are separated by 4 points (up from 3 pts). Ditto the next eight: they're also separated by 4 pts.

That completes the first half of this comp. We have 5 rounds left in which to catch the leader and the next two, for a spot on the podium.


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#1188656 - Tue Jan 30 2018 05:57 AM Results & Standings .. FA Cup
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Advance Picks : Semi-Finalists x4
lodged in Round 4
             ------- -------- ------- ------- ------- ------- ------- 
dg_dave Chelsea Man City Man Utd T Hotsp
Dizart Chelsea Man City Man Utd T Hotsp
ElfTwinkle Man City Man Utd T Hotsp Liverp
FussBudget Chelsea Man City T Hotsp Liverp
George95 Chelsea Man City Man Utd Southm
gtho4 Chelsea Man City Man Utd Liverp
Howie72 Man City Man Utd T Hotsp Liverp
illiniman14 Chelsea Man City Liverp Leic C
LeoDaVinci Man City Man Utd T Hotsp Liverp
N-Bomb Chelsea Man City Liverp
ozzz2002 Man City Man Utd T Hotsp Leic C
paper_aero Chelsea Man City Man Utd Liverp
PaulE Chelsea Man City T Hotsp Liverp
srini701 Chelsea Man City T Hotsp Leic C
Sypher Chelsea Man City Man Utd T Hotsp
toocool4u Chelsea Man City T Hotsp Liverp
wwe84 Chelsea Man City Man Utd T Hotsp
------- -------- ------- ------- ------- ------- -------
67c 13 17 11 12 10 3 1

Semi-Finalists x4 picks x1 pt each addded into Round 7 (2nd last round)
Semi-Finalists


Manchester City 17
Chelsea 13
Tottenham Hotspur 12
Manchester United 11
Liverpool 10

Leicester City 3
Southampton 1

67c



17 of 17 players lodged
advance picks


c = Man City picked twice by N-Bomb


Advance Picks : Quarter-Finalists x8
lodged in Round 4


------- -------- ------ ------- ------- ------ ------- ------- ----- ------ ------- ------
dg_dave Chelsea Man City Man Utd T Hotsp Sheff U Hudd T Leic C Sh Wed
Dizart Chelsea Man City Liverp Man Utd T Hotsp Millw WHU Leic C
ElfTwinkle Chelsea Man City Liverp Man Utd T Hotsp BHA Leic C Southm
FussBudget Chelsea Man City Liverp Man Utd T Hotsp Sheff U Hudd T BHA
George95 Chelsea Man City Liverp Man Utd T Hotsp Sheff U Leic C Southm
gtho4 Chelsea Man City Liverp Man Utd T Hotsp Midd Leic C Southm
Howie72 Chelsea Man City Liverp Man Utd T Hotsp Millw Sheff U Southm
illiniman14 Chelsea Man City Liverp Man Utd T Hotsp Midd Sheff U Leic C
LeoDaVinci Chelsea Man City Liverp Man Utd T Hotsp Midd Hudd T Swansea
N-Bomb Chelsea Man City Liverp T Hotsp Sheff U Hudd T Leic C
ozzz2002 Chelsea Man City Liverp Man Utd T Hotsp Leic C Southm N For
paper_aero Chelsea Man City Liverp Man Utd T Hotsp WHU BHA Southm
PaulE Chelsea Man City Liverp Man Utd T Hotsp WHU BHA Leic C
srini701 Chelsea Man City Liverp Man Utd T Hotsp Midd Leic C Southm
Sypher Chelsea Man City Liverp Man Utd T Hotsp WHU Leic C Southm
toocool4u Chelsea Man City Liverp Man Utd T Hotsp Millw Leic C Hull C
wwe84 Chelsea Man City Liverp Man Utd T Hotsp BHA Leic C Southm
------- -------- ------ ------- ------- ------ ------- ------- ----- ------ ------- ------
135c 17 17 16 16 17 4+3 6 4+4 5 13 9 1+1+1+1

QF x8 picks x1 pt each addded into Round 6
    Quarter-Finalists

    Chelsea 17
    Manchester City 17
    Tottenham Hotspur 17
    Manchester United 16
    Liverpool 16

    Leicester City 13
    Southampton 9
    Sheffield United 6
    Brighton & Hove Alb 5
    Huddersfield Town 4
    Middlesbrough 4
    West Ham United 4

    Millwall 3
    Hull City 1
    Nottingham Forest 1

    Sheffield Wednesday 1
    Swansea City 1
    135c
    17 of 17 players lodged
    advance picks

    c = Man City picked twice by N-Bomb
    . .

    • 17 of 17 players lodged advance picks,
    • which means we had a full set of picks, no MIAs.

    • Four games ended in a draw but, at the moment,
    • dg_dave is the only player with a full set of eight quarter-finalists.
    • He was the lone ranger, the only one who didn't pick Liverpool.
    • The remainder have lost one .. and some of us have lost two of them.

    • 10 players have lost one of their semi-finalists,
    • leaving just seven with a full set of four.

    • semi-finals: of the 68 advance picks lodged 57 are still live.
    • quarters: 136 advance picks lodged 120 are still live.

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#1188657 - Tue Jan 30 2018 05:58 AM Results & Standings .. FA Cup
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FA Cup
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2018
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Saturday 27th January
4th Round
    17 of 17 players lodged tips

    correct picks
    0-1-16
    16-0-10
    15-2-00
    4-7-60
    16-1-00
    9-6-20
    17-0-00
    7-5-50
    0-1-16
    1-3-13
    0-2-15
    13-2-10
    12-3-20
    12-3-20
    3-7-70
    0-0-16
    0-2
    3-0
    1-1
    2-1
    2-3
    0-1
    2-2
    0-1
    1-1
    1-1
    1-5
    3-1
    1-0
    1-0
    2-0
    0-4
    16
    16
    2
    4

    0

    2

    0

    5
    1
    3
    15
    13
    12
    12
    3

    17
    Cardiff City v Manchester City
    Chelsea v Newcastle United
    Huddersfield Town v Birmingham City
    Hull City v Nottingham Forest
    Liverpool v West Bromwich Albion
    Middlesbro v Brighton & Hove Alb
    Millwall v Rochdale
    Milton Keynes Dons v Coventry City
    Newport Co v Tottenham Hotspur
    Notts County v Swansea City
    Peterborough Utd v Leicester City
    Sheffield Wednesday v Reading
    Sheffield United v Preston Nth End
    Southampton v Watford
    Wigan Athletic v West Ham United
    Yeovil Town v Manchester United
    srini701
    ozzz2002
    Howie72 toocool4u

    srini701
    PaulE Sypher
    . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

    FussBudget
    ozzz2002 illiniman14 George95
    FussBudget srini701



    Howie72 wwe84 N-Bomb
    .
    121
    Sheff Wednesday v Preston North End and Yeovil Town v Manch United played Friday night
    dg_dave missed these two games but received a gimme for the Manchester United win
    Cardiff City v Manchester City and Chelsea v Newcastle United were played Sunday
Round 4
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Tipping Comp Standings
 
position points
----- ----- ----------
TW LW hi-lo LW TW bp
----- ----- ----------hf ws
1 1 1-2 N-Bomb 52 8 60 2 6
2 3 1-3 Sypher s 46 9 56 2 3
3 2 2-12 wwe84 48 7 55 1 7
4 3 2-6 ElfTwinkle 46 7 53 2 2
4 8 2-8 Howie72 s 43 9 53 1 1 3
6 5 4-7 PaulE s 44 7 52 2
7 5 4-14 ozzz2002 44 7 51 1 1 6
8 5 5-12 dg_dave 44 6 50 1 2
9 9 4-9 LeoDaVinci 42 7 49 3
9 9 5-9 illiniman14 42 7 49 1
9 12 6-12 paper_aero 41 8 49 1
9 14 9-16 toocool4u s 40 8 49 1 4
9 12 8-14 George95 41 8 49 1 4
14 9 7-14 gtho4 42 6 48 1 2
15 15 11-15 Dizart 39 7 46 1 2
16 16 2 16 FussBudget s 36 6 45 2 3
17 17 16-17 srini701 w 33 4 38 3 1
late starters 38
121 11 10 52
home 46 6 52
draw 16 4 20
away(default) 18 6 24
wooden spoon 26 4 30
best picks 52 9 61
perfect 80 16 96
bonus pts 46 6 52

b = bonus point for picking 10/16 or better.
x = perfect picks or near miss 13+/16.
s = bonus pt for picking result solo, or one of two.
w = bonus for picking a draw, no one picked winner.
o = no one picked draw. Bonus for picking upset win.
bp= total bonus points for the year.
default is WS score if it's more than the aways.
ineligible for bonus pts if picks are all home or all bar one (or all bar two for R1 to R4).
default is WS score last two rounds (semis and final) and for advance picks.

.
Weekly Leaders


1a +1 N-Bomb
1b +1 Sypher
2. +2 N-Bomb
3a +4 N-Bomb
3b +4 N-Bomb
4. +4 N-Bomb
5.
6.
7.
8.



week
Hall of Fame
Wooden Spoon
    H-x-A  avge bp
1a 12- -4 52.9% 11 11/16 N-Bomb 6/16 srini701 toocool4u
1b 11-3-2 64.0% 16 12/16 ElfTwinkle gtho4 Sypher 7/16 FussBudget
2 9-5-2 51.1% 6 11/16 ElfTwinkle N-Bomb 4/16 ozzz2002
3a 5-4-7 52.6% 8 9/16 ozzz2002 wwe84 4/16 FussBudget George95 Howie72
3b 9-4-3 56.2% 5 9/16 dg_dave 5/16 srini701 Dizart
4 6-4-6 44.5% 6 9/16 Howie72 Sypher 4/16 srini701
5
6
7
8
52-20-24 52 11 10

The upsets continue. Once again no-one reached double digits for correct picks. Two games were picked by no-one and five were picked by just one, two or three players.

Howie72 and Sypher were this round's winner (for Howie72 it was his first for the season) .. srini701 collected back-to-back wooden spoons.

New high: toocool4u (again)
New low : gtho4

N-Bomb maintains his 4 pt lead out front. The six behind him are separated by 5 points (up from 4 pts last week and 3 pts the week before). The next eight are separated by 4 pts (no change).

Our advance picks for the quarters and semis are in the post above this one .. dg_dave is the only player with a complete set of both (he didn't choose Liverpool). Four games have gone to a reply, which may see more advance picks disappear. The draw for Round 5 sees these match-ups:

BHA v Coventry City
Chelsea v Hull City
Hudd/Birm v Manch Utd
Leicester v Sheff United
Millw/Rochd v Newp/Spurs
Sh Wed v Notts/Swansea
WBA v Southampton
Wigan v Manchester City

The 5th Round will be played mid-February. The last game will be a re-run of the 2013 FA Cup Final, which was won by Wigan Athletic (who were then in the FA Premier League). Wigan have been relegated, twice in the intervening years, and now play in League One, one level below the FLC.



Edited by gtho4 (Thu Feb 01 2018 06:00 AM)

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#1188724 - Wed Jan 31 2018 09:27 AM Re: Results & Standings .. FA Cup
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33 + 4 + 1 is 38
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#1188763 - Wed Jan 31 2018 05:35 PM Re: Results & Standings .. FA Cup
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hmm, let me check it tonight, as the printout's at home

It looks like 40 is a typo/add-error and 38 is the correct number .. the picks column in the table adds to 121 so the 4 is right and 33 agrees last week's number, so that number is also correct .. and late starters is, curiously, unchanged at 38 (so my eyes ignored the line above it?)

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#1188772 - Wed Jan 31 2018 09:27 PM Re: Results & Standings .. FA Cup
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Originally Posted By: dg_dave
33 + 4 + 1 is 38


NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO, I am so far behind and not threatening anyone, please let George ignore this smile smile
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