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#167119 - Sat Mar 08 2008 08:16 PM Re: If you get a rejection notice on a quiz [Re: agony]
Nannanut Offline
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Anyone submitting a quiz needs to follow guidelines as set down for that category. Quizzes will be rejected if the guidelines aren't followed. It doesn't matter if you submitted a large portion of text - what matters is its relevance to the question asked.

Quizzes will be rejected until the guidelines have been applied satisfactorily, and I think you might find most editors are pretty consistent in expecting this.

I think your description of any staff member in the terms you have used is offensive, inappropriate and certainly misplaced.
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#167120 - Sat Mar 08 2008 09:01 PM Re: If you get a rejection notice on a quiz [Re: Nannanut]
kyleisalive Offline
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Quote:

My editor kept telling me to put punctuation outside of quotation marks, this question doesn't appear to have done that.




I consistently fix this in quizzes myself, putting punctuation outside the quotation marks. It's a small habit that I won't enforce, but that I make a note to correct because it's out of place unless it's a direct quotation.
For example, having a sentence like "...Jenny was a 'sitting duck,' but she never noticed until now." would mean that the comma is part of what needs to be understood or emphasized- in my mind, at least.
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#167121 - Sat Mar 08 2008 09:16 PM Re: If you get a rejection notice on a quiz [Re: Nannanut]
juls12 Offline
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I guess my frustration in this process has been misunderstood. I don't have a grudge against the editor, I just feel the submission process is greatly flawed. My problem is not with him/her, it is with the website. I don't think for a second that this person is acting on their own just trying to get a rise out of me.

In regards to my "offensive" characterization, how is implying (not outright stating) what I said offensive yet a quiz asking "is that butch enough for you" not?

If someone were to come on a forum and call a quiz I did dumb, I probably wouldn't take it personally. But you are correct, and I do apologize to said quizmaker. My comments should have been only directed at the grammar involved in the quiz and not the content it contained.

A sample question from my quiz is: "Which of the following actors appeared in all these films from the 80's : "Ferris Bueller's Day Off," "Wall Street," and "Platoon?" The problems with the grammar in this question are nothing compared to the grammatical errors in the aforementioned approved quiz. Apparantly no apostrophe is needed between 80s and the punctuation should be moved outside the quotations. OK, got it now. Writing three sentences detailing Charlie Sheen's (the answer) roles in those three films isn't enough, apparently.

What else would you, the reader, wish to know about Mr. Sheen? Perhaps where he was born? What color hair he has? The fact that he and Denise Richards are divorced? How would any of those pertain to the question at hand? Does anyone taking a quiz titled "Movies/Actors of the 80s" really need an in depth detailing of Charlie Sheen?

What did the description to the answer of the "butch" question entail, you ask?

"The first of several musicals with Nazis prominent. It's not all nuns and kids you know." Wow, informative. I really learned something about "The Sound Of Music" there.

On a sidenote, through all the resubmissions the editor never once caught that I spelled Daryl Hannah wrong (with two r's). I caught that myself today before I resubmitted the quiz for the 6th time. Seems to me that might be something actually worthy of a correction.


Edited by juls12 (Sat Mar 08 2008 09:40 PM)

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#167122 - Sat Mar 08 2008 09:41 PM Re: If you get a rejection notice on a quiz [Re: juls12]
juls12 Offline
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Sorry about "The Blues Brothers" bit, I was dead wrong. Willing and glad to admit it. Even though I wouldn't consider it a musical, Wikipedia and IMDB do.

Actually, all things considered, I give up in general. Sorry to anyone I may have offended, I wish you all the best in future endeavors. Maybe I took 'fun'trivia a little too serious. Adios!


Edited by juls12 (Sat Mar 08 2008 09:50 PM)

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#167123 - Sat Mar 08 2008 09:54 PM Re: If you get a rejection notice on a quiz [Re: juls12]
Nannanut Offline
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I think you need to concentrate on getting your own quiz online by applying the guidelines requested of you. Hauling out examples from other quizzes and in essence criticising that editing isn't constructive.

Your sarcasm when referring to editors and editing styles is unacceptable no matter how frustrated you may feel.
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#167124 - Sat Mar 08 2008 10:14 PM Re: If you get a rejection notice on a quiz [Re: Nannanut]
stuthehistoryguy Offline
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Nannanut is right, obviously, but Sue's canonical line bears repeating:

"If you have a dispute with an editor when trying to get a quiz online this forum is not the place to post about it."
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#167125 - Sat Mar 08 2008 10:34 PM Re: If you get a rejection notice on a quiz [Re: Nannanut]
juls12 Offline
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Did not realize this forum was not the correct forum to be airing my concerns on. I understand, in the moment, that it deals with people confused about what to do if they get a rejection letter. My bad, honestly. My dispute isn't with the editor, however.

Perhaps I haven't met the guidelines, however unless you've read the quiz you don't know either. As for sarcasm, well, I guess this isn't the right forum for that either. I used it to outline my frustration of what I feel is a double standard of sorts being applied to submission of quizzes. Perhaps my dosage was a bit too concentrated and personal.

In my eyes, the stated goals of this website for new quizzes aren't being applied across the board. Or maybe my interpretation of said new goals is incorrect. I did also read that if too many quizzes for a subject exist then the chances are less for approval, which I strongly disagree with.

For instance, there are dozens and dozens of quizzes regarding "degrees of seperation" in films. However, it is hard to find a difficult - tough quiz that deals with seperation in films after 2001.

Without demeaning any one particular quizmaker or topic I will just say that many of these "new" topics are pretty questionable (in my opinion). Maybe you're just trying to gain some new audiences, that's fine. I understand, probably the majority of people come here and look for easy-average quizzes dealing with any number of random things.

I probably sound like my grandpa from the Great Depression era, talking about all these whipper-snappers and their silly new ideas. I just like taking my hard quizzes pertaining to history, geography, sports, movies, and more history. I'm probably pretty boring, and I am definitely not the demographic you're trying to reach. So I'll just shut up and stop trying to make new quizzes. As long as a plethora of good hard quizzes I like to take keep getting posted I have no real reason to complain.

Thanks to all for your efforts, keep doing what you're doing.


Edited by juls12 (Sat Mar 08 2008 10:58 PM)

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#167126 - Sat Mar 08 2008 10:46 PM Re: If you get a rejection notice on a quiz [Re: juls12]
kyleisalive Offline
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Quote:

I did also read that if too many quizzes for a subject exist then the chances are less for approval, which I strongly disagree with.




This can be disputed in many ways. Although quizzes on specific topics are popular, increased volume of said topics means that questions are extremely repetitive. This is why it is harder to get quizzes online in popular categories, and why some are actually restricted.
If one takes a unique approach to the quiz, or happens to use non-repetitive questions, then there's no reason why the quiz can't go online (unless the player doesn't follow the guidelines).

Quote:

...and I am definitely not the demographic you're trying to reach.




Funtrivia tries to aim for various demographics. It's why we have the For Children category, as well as in-depth history quizzes, quizzes on specific books, and more on particle physics. We try to cover all the bases.
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#167127 - Sat Mar 08 2008 10:52 PM Re: If you get a rejection notice on a quiz [Re: kyleisalive]
juls12 Offline
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you are correct, sir.

It does suck to keep getting the same questions over and over. Certain categories (like seperation) do need a little update, however. Has there been any consideration to delete some older quizzes which aren't up to the new standards?

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#167128 - Sat Mar 08 2008 10:59 PM Re: If you get a rejection notice on a quiz [Re: juls12]
kyleisalive Offline
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I don't think that's necessary (regarding deletions). Both the writer and the editor took the time to work on the quiz, and unless there's a discernible problem with it, there's no need for it to be removed.

I can't speak for the Movies category in terms of the 'Separation' category though.
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#167129 - Sat Mar 08 2008 11:06 PM Re: If you get a rejection notice on a quiz [Re: kyleisalive]
juls12 Offline
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That category is fine, also. Just not up to date on newer films in difficult-tough quiz section. Not a real problem, just saying if I were to make a seperation quiz I'd have less of a chance getting it submitted.

I guess if I had a factual problem with a specific quiz there's a link to take care of that. Takes care of the whole deleting quizzes issue. So, that's that. Thanks man, I appreciate it.

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#167130 - Sat Mar 08 2008 11:46 PM Re: If you get a rejection notice on a quiz [Re: juls12]
skunkee Offline
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Quote:

just saying if I were to make a seperation quiz I'd have less of a chance getting it submitted




Why? Degrees of Separation is not a restricted category, because the diversity of the category is recognized and the likelihood of identical quizzes, or even identical questions, being submitted is slim.
However the guidelines do need to be followed.
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#167131 - Sun Mar 09 2008 06:20 PM Re: If you get a rejection notice on a quiz [Re: skunkee]
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Juls12, it is hard to have much sympathy for you when you try to defend your own quiz by insulting another quiz-maker ("How is this for a dumb question"). Then you apologise ("But you are correct, and I do apologize to said quizmaker") and then you promptly insult them again ("Wow, informative. I really learned something about "The Sound Of Music" there").

If you feel there is a problem with the grammar, content or any other aspect of another member's quiz, you need to send a correction notice to the member and it will be seen by an editor. If the quiz needs to be amended, it will be.

With respect to your own quizzes, even if your complaints about the editing process are legitimate, which I doubt, there are better methods of resolving the issues than by insulting other quiz-makers and insulting editors ("rogue Nazi") in the forums.
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#167132 - Sat Feb 07 2009 02:45 AM Re: If you get a rejection notice on a quiz [Re: agony]
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but if my quiz got rejected without a fair reason, shouldn't I just keep submitting it over and over until they decide to put it up?

If I don't have to make any corrections, make anymore original questions or fix the categories, I definitely think this is a great idea.

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#167133 - Sat Feb 07 2009 02:53 AM Re: If you get a rejection notice on a quiz [Re: ZZZ22]
Leau Offline
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Quote:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if my quiz got rejected without a fair reason, shouldn't I just keep submitting it over and over until they decide to put it up?




Good reasoning, if it weren't for the fact that "they" won't decide to put it up. If you keep resubmitting a quiz without fixing the problems that were mentioned in the rejection note, your quiz will be deleted rather than placed online. (Besides, quizzes don't get rejected without a fair reason to begin with.)
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#167134 - Sat Feb 07 2009 03:55 AM Re: If you get a rejection notice on a quiz [Re: Leau]
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ZZZ22, now we understand (and I also now get crisw's response to you) your thread on limiting the number of quizzes online per player. You want to shove through 2 minute jobs with errors in place of those which are well written and have remained much loved quizzes on this site for years. Hmm!

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#167135 - Sat Feb 07 2009 06:01 AM Re: If you get a rejection notice on a quiz [Re: jonnowales]
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I believe it is better not to jump to the bait that is obviously being thrown out by ZZZ22.
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#167136 - Sat Feb 07 2009 12:59 PM Re: If you get a rejection notice on a quiz [Re: ZZZ22]
kyleisalive Offline
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Quote:

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if my quiz got rejected without a fair reason, shouldn't I just keep submitting it over and over until they decide to put it up?




As the editor of your quiz (way back when), I can assure you that the reasons for helping you correct your quiz were not pointless. If you're referring to the other quiz you have sent to the Video Games queue in recent weeks, then you will be receiving the same treatment as all others submitting to over-saturated, popular, restricted categories who, personally, don't meet the guidelines. These guidelines are consistent around the site, and you may hold onto (and improve upon) your quiz as you submit others in the meantime, by all means. If you are confused as to why your quiz was rejected, then I don't see why messaging the editor in question would be a lesser priority than posting on the forums with 'proposed changes' for the site.
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#167137 - Tue Mar 03 2009 05:47 AM Re: If you get a rejection notice on a quiz [Re: kyleisalive]
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I have had no cause for complaint with my editors.

In fact, my first editor was extremely helpful and pointed me in the right direction of what was required with the types of questions, additional information etc. (I did receive some rejection notices from here but she was quite clear, concise and thoughtful in what she said). When I have been working on subsequent quizzes I have remembered her advise and used it in the next two quizzes which I have submitted (so far).

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#167138 - Sun Apr 19 2009 05:13 AM Re: If you get a rejection notice on a quiz [Re: Linda1]
Tipper42 Offline
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My first quiz keeps getting rejected. They say I have many spelling errors, but my spell checkes says outside of the last names of the people in my questions, I have nome. They also said one of my questions is not a proper question or answer. What do I do?

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#167139 - Sun Apr 19 2009 06:17 AM Re: If you get a rejection notice on a quiz [Re: Tipper42]
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Spellcheckers will not throw up an error if there is a word which is spelled the same way as your error, an example would be 'preformed' instead of 'performed'.

You have even made a spelling mistakes in the above post, I assume you don't mean 'nome' or 'checkes'?

Perhaps get someone to read through for you to see if they spot the errors.
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#167140 - Sun Apr 19 2009 06:27 AM Re: If you get a rejection notice on a quiz [Re: sue943]
Jabberwok Offline
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I'm delighted by the patience and good manners displayed by the various volunteer editors and administrators to some of the rather puzzling questions raised by quiz writers. Very professional.
In my job, I have to use good spelling and grammar, along with giving accurate information. That I can do.
I also have to use IT, which I am much less confident with. So I ask those around me for advice and help. If I am too egocentric to recognise my weaknesses, my students will suffer.
Taking advice and acting on it will enable you to get a quiz online much faster, which is what you want. It seems fairly obvious in most cases that working with an editor is more efficient that going into conflict.
A dictionary might be more useful than a spellchecker in some circumstances.
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#167141 - Sun Apr 19 2009 06:35 AM Re: If you get a rejection notice on a quiz [Re: Jabberwok]
Jabberwok Offline
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Tipper42, just a suggestion.
Your team leader is Jedi Padawan, and her spelling and grammar seem to be very good, judging from her posts. You could easily ask her to help you to achieve your goal, as a friend and leader. Ask her to check through the wording of your quiz, in light of the editor's comments.


Edited by Jabberwok (Sun Apr 19 2009 08:22 AM)
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#167142 - Sun Apr 19 2009 07:29 AM Re: If you get a rejection notice on a quiz [Re: Jabberwok]
Triviaballer Offline
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I agree with all the posts about the editors doing a great job, kudos to all y'all. I think sometimes we as quiz writers get frustrated when we feel like our material is being brushed off which I admit I've felt before. The grammar and quiz creation rules can be rather stringent and sometimes the quiz rejection notices are ambiguous about what we should change. Maybe it should be called something other than a "rejection notice", that has a rather negative connotation.

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#167143 - Sun Apr 19 2009 11:01 AM Re: If you get a rejection notice on a quiz [Re: Triviaballer]
guitargoddess Offline
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Well it's not called a "rejection notice", it's called a "correction note".
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#167144 - Sun Apr 19 2009 04:53 PM Re: If you get a rejection notice on a quiz [Re: guitargoddess]
Nightmare Offline
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Quote:

My first quiz keeps getting rejected. They say I have many spelling errors, but my spell checkes says outside of the last names of the people in my questions, I have nome. They also said one of my questions is not a proper question or answer. What do I do?



You created this post long after the editor in question notified you of the specific words that were spelled incorrectly in messages to you. Also, you never had an issue with a question/answer as you said. The issue was with an identified specific question not having any valid interesting information in accordance within the Quiz Guidelines, and this specific item was identified to you three times prior. I would recommend, instead of posting issues here that somewhat don't tell the entire story, to get with the editor that was trying to help you with your quiz. I don't think they've ever given up trying to help! :-)


Edited by Nightmare (Sun Apr 19 2009 04:55 PM)
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#167145 - Mon Apr 20 2009 04:06 PM Re: If you get a rejection notice on a quiz [Re: Nightmare]
Tipper42 Offline
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Loc: Augusta Georgia USA          
Thanks for all the helpful advice. I'm just eager to get my first quiz published I guess. I've already written a second quiz, and following all the advice, I copied it and pasted on word and checked it a couple of times. And you are right; the people who run this web page are great and helpful.

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#167146 - Mon Jul 27 2009 03:08 PM Re: If you get a rejection notice on a quiz [Re: Tipper42]
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I am having a quiz question issue and followed the proper procedure about sending a response to the player/editor who sent the correction, yet have not heard back. Is my responsibility to now just sit quietly and wait, or is there another direction to go? I don't want to just send the quiz back in again (although the question is correct).
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#167147 - Mon Jul 27 2009 03:55 PM Re: If you get a rejection notice on a quiz [Re: bubblesfun]
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If it was a correction during the editing process, and you have fixed the issue, you "sign off" on the correction note by checking the little button to say you have dealt with the issue, and can then resubmit the quiz.
If the quiz is already online, you either check to say you've fixed whatever the issue is, once you have fixed it, or write a note (in the space on the correction note) to tell the editor why you are right and the correction sender is wrong as you check off the correction note.
If you have fixed something, during the editing process (so after an editor has looked at it and sent you a correction notice to say there's an issue, and you fixed the issue and signed off on the note) then you just have to resubmit the quiz, and wait for the editor to get back to it.
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#167148 - Mon Jul 27 2009 03:57 PM Re: If you get a rejection notice on a quiz [Re: bubblesfun]
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Was this an online quiz that got a correction note, or a quiz that has not as yet gone online?

If the quiz is not yet online: if the editor asked you to do something, follow those instructions, and then resubmit the quiz. If the editor asked you a question, answer the question, and then resubmit the quiz, unless the editor has indicated that you need to wait.

Editors do not go looking for quizzes - if you do not resubmit it, we will assume that you haven't yet gotten around to dealing with the problem. If you have been told not to resubmit but aren't sure what you ARE supposed to do, write to the editor (using the reply function to the notes you already have - don't start a new topic) and ask what the editor wants you to do.

If the quiz is online, you need to ascertain whether or not the player's correction is in order. If it is, make the change to your quiz, save, and mark the note "corrected". If it is not, explain your reasoning in the box provided, and mark the quiz "corrected". In either of these cases, you don't have to do anything else unless an editor contacts you, in which case you follow the instructions the editor gives you.

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