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#334292 - Sun Dec 03 2006 12:02 PM Before Sending a Correction...
ladymacb29 Offline
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I had to write this post as this has happened to me twice within the past week.

Before you send a correction notice on a quiz, PLEASE take the time to read the interesting info. An explanation could very well be found within the interesting info. This will save you the time from writing a correction notice, the player the time from responding and letting you know that their quiz does not, in fact, have an error, etc.

Thank you!

~LadyM, FT editor
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#334293 - Thu Jan 04 2007 01:01 PM Re: Before Sending a Correction... [Re: ladymacb29]
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Good idea! I recently received 2 more correction emails regarding a question of a historical nature. All my research of the history of the event in question tells me I am accurate but apparently a few others don't agree with the historical facts and insist I make changes. I have reworded the question and rechecked all the historical info and they are still not satisfied. It's rude and annoying to keep insisting on corrections. They should read up on the history instead of harassing me.I often see answers in the religion category I don't agree with but I can understand that it's a matter of interpretation and I don't harass the quiz writer over it.


Edited by squeakyknees (Thu Jan 04 2007 01:04 PM)

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#334294 - Sat Jan 06 2007 06:08 PM Re: Before Sending a Correction... [Re: squeakyknees]
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I agree. I just had that happen to me. The person sent me a correction note, and it was more of a question than anything else.

Maybe Terry can put some sort of reminder in the correction note screen that addresses this issue. It would have to be worded diplomatically as not to offend anyone, but it might help.
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#334295 - Sat Jan 06 2007 06:26 PM Re: Before Sending a Correction... [Re: SRSTrekker]
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I have that happening, only with horses.

It's quite annoying to be told one thing, when all the research I've done leads me to another ting.

Morrigan

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#334296 - Sat Jan 06 2007 07:54 PM Re: Before Sending a Correction... [Re: morrigan]
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As an editor who spends a lot of time monitoring the corrections, I have some thoughts about this.

Usually, if you are getting many corrections on a question, that is a sign that something is wrong. Your facts may indeed be correct, but your question may be worded confusingly, or one of your insorrect answer options may be too close to the correct one, or maybe you are just not explaining your answer well enough in the interesting info.

Repeated corrections on the same question mean that something needs to change. If you can't think of a useful change to make, discuss it with the editor monitoring the corrections. Between the two of you, you should be able to come up with a solution.

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#334297 - Fri Feb 09 2007 07:40 PM Re: Before Sending a Correction... [Re: agony]
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The biggest problem, agony, is when it's a misconception that causes the most correction notes. When people are constantly being taught one thing, and in fact, that one thing isn't true, it causes people to send correction notes about the thing they were taught. (In my case, it's about what a dun is vs what a buckskin is.) It's just very frustrating.

Morrigan


Edited by Morrigan (Fri Feb 09 2007 07:45 PM)

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#334298 - Fri Feb 09 2007 08:02 PM Re: Before Sending a Correction... [Re: morrigan]
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Yes, that can be a problem all right. The best thing is to go into it in some detail in the interesting info, but there will always be some people who don't read that, and fire off a note, won't there? At least if you have explained your position well in the info, the editor checking the notes will see that the player is a dweeb, and delete it.

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#334299 - Fri Feb 09 2007 08:18 PM Re: Before Sending a Correction... [Re: agony]
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I explain the difference quite explicitly-for the reason you said. I even provided a link for people to go to find out more about the differences. So, all I can do it when I respond, is tell them the difference and a few quotes (and links) that support my point (which I find abundantly, in the dun vs buckskin debate.)

Morrigan

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#334300 - Sat Feb 10 2007 01:25 AM Re: Before Sending a Correction... [Re: ladymacb29]
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Quote:

I had to write this post as this has happened to me twice within the past week.




With nearly 350 quizzes on line, covering almost every category, then by the 'Law of Averages' you're going to get more incorrect correction notices than most other authors
Your point though is a good one, and it is annoying to receive completely inaccurate correction notes, where it's clear the sender hasn't bothered to glance at the accompanying notes to a question.
Sometimes authors give answer choices which cause confusion, where one of the alternatives could also be correct - or almost correct - depending on your point of view or how you read the question. In such cases, I think a correction notice is reasonable even if innacurate. Sometimes too, authors use an uncommon spelling of a word, where there is an alternative and far more widespread spelling. Authors who insist on doing this, should expect and just put up with spelling corrections!
None of the forementioned applies to Ladymacb of course, many of whose interesting and informative quizzes I have tackled!

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#334301 - Sun Feb 11 2007 06:25 AM Re: Before Sending a Correction... [Re: picqero]
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Some of you complained about quiz players who send wrong or too hasty correction notes.
I could say the same of several quiz authors, though. They BELIEVE they are right, so they don't even check the suggested corrections, or they verify them using simply the same inaccurate sources they employed to write their quizzes.
In all this time on Funtrivia, I have sent dozens of correction notes. Always justified, always polite, always with the best of intentions.
Some authors thanked me and made the changes, some corrected the inaccuracies without a word, some totally ignored my notes. Once in a while, i. e. on those rare occasions I felt patient, I sent a second note, and the authors finally amended the mistakes. They didn't even think of thanking me, as if they were doing ME a favour. I am still wondering why I bothered. LOL
In my opinion, players who send correction notes are mostly in good faith, so it is useless to complain. On the contrary, it is an act of common courtesy to thank them for investing time and energy for us, and, if we believe they are incorrect, to explain them the reasons.
It is an ethical question, too. We have a moral responsibility for what we publish: articles, books, or quizzes. We do write for an audience, and then we ignore it?
I am a journalist, and I am used to taking seriously the reactions of the readers to my articles. All messages get a civilised answer from me, even the angry (and the stupid) ones. Are quizzes really something different?

Ciao :-)
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#334302 - Sun Feb 11 2007 06:09 PM Re: Before Sending a Correction... [Re: Arlesienne]
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Arlesienne, with over 50 quizzes online, I get quite a few correction notices. With each correction, I research the correct answer. In some cases, I'm correct. I tell the person why I'm correct, politely and I thank them for taking my quiz.

If I find that they're correct, I reply to them, thanking them for seeing the mistake and letting me know. I tell them that I changed it to the correct answer, and thank them for playing my quiz.

If I find that they're not right but the question is a bit ambiguous, I thank them and change the question (or whatever needs changed) and tell them what I've changed.

When I send a correction notice, I tell them specifically what's wrong and why it's wrong. Most of the time, I've researched the right answer, so I know it-in which case I tell them what the right answer is (usually in spelling). I hardly ever get a thank-you.

Morrigan

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#334303 - Sat Feb 17 2007 08:33 AM Re: Before Sending a Correction... [Re: morrigan]
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Just an addition to the discussion about getting answers to your corrections. One thing to remember is that many authors no longer visit the site. This means that editors must make any needed changes, if they can find enough information.

I usually take care of the corrections for my categories, I look at them on average twice a week. This morning I have dealt with well over 100 correction notes, both justified and complete nonsense, and I'm not done yet. This is not unusual. I know that, strictly speaking, I should send all of those players a note, but, realistically, I'm just not up to it.

Chances are very good that when you do not get a reply to your note, the author is off site, and it is a poor, eye-strained, overworked editor making the changes. (Feeling sorry for me yet?)

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#334304 - Sat Feb 17 2007 10:05 AM Re: Before Sending a Correction... [Re: agony]
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Even when authors do continue to visit and contribute to the site, archived quizzes cannot be amended by the original author. In these cases, all the author can do is note whether or not they agree with the correction, and their reasons.
I've sent hundreds of correction notes, mostly for typos or spelling errors, and rarely receive a reply. This doesn't bother me at all, and I never go back to the quiz to check whether or not my correction has been actioned.

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#334305 - Sat Feb 17 2007 08:34 PM Re: Before Sending a Correction... [Re: picqero]
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What a heartbreaking destiny, Agony! Thank goodness, I always have a good stock of Kleenex, and use a waterproof mascara. :-)
I must confess, I didn't know editors took care of correction notices too. It sounds enervating, and you have all my sympathy. Maybe you could create an "anti-badge" for players who send wrong corrections. The first "anti-badge" after five notes, then after ten, etc.
Aramis, I don't send a correction, then check hourly if the mistake has been amended, impatiently tapping my fingers on the keyboard.
I notice that my suggestions have been ignored, when I play Global Challenge, for example, and I see a mistake reappearing again and again. Or, in a couple of cases, because I accidentally took the same quiz twice.
I have neither the time nor the energy to jump on the correction button as soon as I see a typo. I mostly send correction notices on major factual mistakes, or spelling mistakes concerning my "mother tongues", Italian and German.
I have never lost my sleep because my notes had no effect, or because I received no reply. In some cases, though, I was really surprised, and curious to know the reason.
Thanks, Agony, for letting me know at least one reason. From now on, I'll always blame you. LOL

Ciao :-)
Mirella

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#334306 - Sun Feb 18 2007 12:09 AM Re: Before Sending a Correction... [Re: Arlesienne]
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One thing I have noticed about sending corrections from questions appearing in the global challenge, is that you might want to take a look at the actual quiz it came from first. I have seen corrections that needed to be made in the question, only to find that it had already been corrected in the quiz itself, and probably just hadn't updated in the challenge yet. Now, I always play the original quiz before sending a correction notice on questions from the challenge.
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#334307 - Sun Feb 18 2007 08:21 AM Re: Before Sending a Correction... [Re: tiffanyram]
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Who said anything about 'checking hourly' or 'impatiently tapping the keyboard'. You've just completed the quiz, and see the correction and rating sections, so what 'time and energy are involved? It takes seconds to send a simple correction, and thus improve the quiz, so why not do it? If there are several typos and spelling errors, then it's even more important to submit corrections.

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#334308 - Sun Feb 18 2007 09:27 AM Re: Before Sending a Correction... [Re: picqero]
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One of the things you have to remember about changes to the Global challenge is that the question pool is only refreshed periodically. So even after the change has been made to the quiz that the question came from, it might still take a while for the change to make it to the cache where the questions for the challenge are kept.
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#334309 - Mon Feb 19 2007 03:30 AM Re: Before Sending a Correction... [Re: skunkee]
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"Checking every hour" and "impatiently tapping the keyboard", were intentional exaggerations, and humourously meant. Sorry about that, Aramis.
That was just my strange way to say: "I don't care that much if the mistakes I pointed out are amended or not, and I never go back and check, exactly like you."
Of course corrections are important! Did I say anything else? On the contrary: corrections, compliments, criticisms, all forms of direct communication with an "audience", are fundamental, in my opinion.
When I notice a mistake in a quiz, though, especially a factual one, I never trust my memory, and to avoid bothering the authors (and the editors, as I know now) with a wrong correction, I do first an accurate research. That takes time, and I don't always have it.

Ciao :-)
Mirella

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#334310 - Mon Feb 19 2007 08:52 AM Re: Before Sending a Correction... [Re: Arlesienne]
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Apology accepted Mirella, and no hard feelings! As you'd addressed me specifically in your post, I'd took it your comments were directed at me rather than being general.
I consider the sending of accurate correction notices to be a service both to funtrivia and to the quiz author involved. Spelling and punctuation errors, including typos, are wrong and do nothing for the benefit or reputation of the site or the individual author. There is no shame in having a minor error pointed out, and I received one myself only last week. I'd referred in the notes of one question to the 1930's and 1940's, and a player had pointed out the apostrophes were incorrect, and should have read 1930s and 1940s. I thanked the player, and told them I agreed with the correction, but as the quiz was archived, couldn't alter it myself. I informed the category editor, who then made the correction, and sent me a note to let me know.
I've sent correction notes for spelling errors on quizzes which have been played over 1,000 times, so obviously it's not an important issue to most players, but if I see something wrong it just seems sensible and courteous to politely report it!


Edited by aramis (Mon Feb 19 2007 08:53 AM)

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#334311 - Tue May 15 2007 03:28 PM Re: Before Sending a Correction... [Re: ladymacb29]
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How does one submit a correction to a game question? I don't see any author's names in the WordWizard game as there are in the quizzes. Here's the, ahem, offender:



1 a person who causes trouble by speaking indiscretely.

laser beam
loud-mouth
lustwort
lecanomancy
legement
lampyridae

It's just a misspelling, but I believe spelling counts, especially in a game about words.

Thanks!

edit: I think I posted this in the wrong place. Just now realized Quizzyland is separate from the others. But I'll leave it here just in case someone has an answer...


Edited by Annastrophic (Tue May 15 2007 03:32 PM)
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#334312 - Tue May 15 2007 03:56 PM Re: Before Sending a Correction... [Re: Annastrophic]
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Annastrophic, there's a thread in the Feedback forum where Word Wizard corrections can be posted. Here it is.

Since the Word Wizard is constructed in a different way from Quizzyland, there are no authors or editors as such. Terry plans to go through periodically and fix the problems that have been flagged in the above thread. It may take a while for the issue to be corrected, but it will be done!
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#334313 - Wed May 16 2007 06:40 AM Re: Before Sending a Correction... [Re: CellarDoor]
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Thank you for the link and explanation, oh most-beautiful-of-phrases-in-English.
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#334314 - Sun May 20 2007 06:02 PM Re: Before Sending a Correction... [Re: Annastrophic]
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Just a note to say that I'm one of those annoying people who sends out correction notices. I always check my facts as well as I can before I send the notice (which sometimes causes problems because the correction page doesn't include the question I'm working on and I forget the question and/or answers before I get it sent), and usually I don't hear anything back. I try to be as nice as possible, especially when it's a minor error like spelling. I didn't know the editors review the corrections as well, although I have gotten one question back from an editor when the author was long gone, so I'll say "thanks" to all you editors who do that (usually) thankless task.

Now to the purpose of my note: Perhaps it would be possible to include a comment box at the end of a quiz to go along with the rating, in case no particular question needs correction, but the quiz-taker would like to make some further comment on one question or the whole quiz. Some kind of lesser level of comment than a correction, like a question or compliment, to go with individual questions would also be useful, and that could travel with the question into the Hourly and Global quizzes. *Take Quiz* *Send Correction* *Send Comment/Question* That would also prevent a random comment from taking a question off-line until it's answered, yes?

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#334315 - Sun May 20 2007 08:15 PM Re: Before Sending a Correction... [Re: HairyBear]
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You can always send a note about he quiz in the 'send a compliment' box - it doesn't necessarily have to be a compliment.

Quizzes are never taken offline automatically - an editor reviews every correction.

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#334316 - Mon May 21 2007 08:25 AM Re: Before Sending a Correction... [Re: agony]
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We used to have a "Send Comment" box, but too many people were using it to send corrections. This was a problem because editors didn't see the notes that were sent as comments.
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#334317 - Mon May 21 2007 02:53 PM Re: Before Sending a Correction... [Re: crisw]
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Also, please remember the editors do not take quizzes offline for just any reason - if there are typos, we generally try to fix those rather than take the quiz offline. If it's something we can quickly find out is right/wrong, we may do that as well.
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#334318 - Wed Jun 13 2007 10:52 PM Re: Before Sending a Correction... [Re: crisw]
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Here are some of the problems I've found in questions:

Some answers are regionalized, but posted as universal. Equine-related questions are good examples.

Choice of wording could be better. One recent question asked about marinade, but the "correct" answer was actually a dip.

Typographical errors change the meanings of the questions. In one question, typing "knees" vice "knee" made the correct answer physically impossible.

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#334319 - Thu Jun 14 2007 12:27 AM Re: Before Sending a Correction... [Re: tx_knight]
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If you run across equine answers with such quizzes, please submit a correction notice! Such quizzes are usually old; I've been very strict for awhile that country-specific questions need to be indicated.
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#334320 - Mon Jul 30 2007 01:14 PM Re: Before Sending a Correction... [Re: crisw]
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Maybe I've been lucky; with the exception of the feedback at submission stage from the editors (may their tribe increase) I have only received one correction notice; and the person querying it based their answer on what they had been told by a third party.

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#334321 - Mon Sep 24 2007 04:24 PM Re: Before Sending a Correction... [Re: crisw]
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I tried to send a correction for a crossword but it came up as no quid chosen. Is there something I'm missing?
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#334322 - Mon Sep 24 2007 04:55 PM Re: Before Sending a Correction... [Re: rayven80]
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No, there's a problem there that Terry will need to fix. It's on his list.

Meantime, if you send a note to a crossword editor (being very specific about which puzzle and the nature of the error) we'll make sure any necessary change is made. You can send that note to me, if you like. If it isn't in my area, I'll pass it on to the correct person.

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#334323 - Mon Sep 24 2007 06:00 PM Re: Before Sending a Correction... [Re: spanishliz]
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Thanks for the information.
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#334324 - Mon Oct 15 2007 05:18 PM Re: Before Sending a Correction... [Re: ladymacb29]
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I think that before sending a correction you should look it up on google to make sure that you're correction is in fact, correct.

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#334325 - Tue Oct 16 2007 03:31 PM Re: Before Sending a Correction... [Re: blazerfan004]
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Quote:

I think that before sending a correction you should look it up on google to make sure that you're correction is in fact, correct.




...and read the interesting info. And don't send a correction notice if you were the person who spelled the answer incorrectly (there's nothing incorrect in the quiz).

If these were done, I think at least 75% of the correction notices wouldn't be sent, actually. (Or at least the ones in the TV category.)


Edited by ladymacb29 (Tue Oct 16 2007 03:32 PM)
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#334326 - Thu Oct 18 2007 06:39 PM Re: Before Sending a Correction... [Re: crisw]
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I have just recently started submitting quizzes, and find that I quite enjoy writing them. I now have a few on-line and have received a couple of correction notices, and I imagine I will receive a few more. What I have noticed, on the first correction notice I responded right away to the sender. The next correction notice The sender of it was right so I made the corrections before responding to the sender. When I went back the next day to send them a note the notice was gone, so I could not reply. I think that if the note itself were to remain in your mail-box until you delete it, it would be much easier to respond.

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#334327 - Thu Oct 18 2007 10:28 PM Re: Before Sending a Correction... [Re: red_stone]
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The notes are cleared when the editor marks your quiz as corrected. We really don't have any way to leave them in your mailbox.
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#334328 - Fri Oct 19 2007 06:53 AM Re: Before Sending a Correction... [Re: crisw]
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I have a file on my computer where I keep all FT correspondence that I may have a future need for. This is also a great way to keep your compliments, so they don't jam up the mailbox but you can remember who sent you a note on your last quiz, and keep and eye out for their next one.

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#334329 - Sun Oct 21 2007 07:00 PM Re: Before Sending a Correction... [Re: agony]
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That is such a great idea, thanks I'm going to try that.

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#334330 - Sun Nov 04 2007 11:25 AM Re: Before Sending a Correction... [Re: red_stone]
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I've been spending the morning checking correction notes, and found a few things reoccurring, that I'd like to remind everybody about.

First is - did you read the whole question, including the clue? For several of the correction notes I've seen today, the author clearly states an important aspect of the question in the clue. The players who sent off notes had plainly not read this, or they would not have made the mistakes that they did.

Second, and this is mostly relevant to tournament play - did you read the quiz title, and make note of which category the quiz was in? If the quiz is in the Literature category, then it just does not matter what happens in the movie. If the quiz is in Movies, then who cares what happened in the Broadway show? Be alert.

As for the quiz title, there is often very essential information there - you ignore it at your peril.

We endeavour to make sure all quizzes are fair and correct, but it's up to you to make use of all of the available information.

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#334331 - Fri Mar 28 2008 09:24 AM Re: Before Sending a Correction... [Re: crisw]
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Interesting thread. Like HairyBear, I'm one of those annoying people who sends correction notices. Usually I can tell if they're simple typos or serious factual/stylistic errors. And I DO do my research first--anyone who's done a lot of research for anything knows that several different sources can provide just as many different facts. It can be confusing! (Especially when it comes to the Internet. Guess I'm still a 'find a traditionally published source' sorta person... ).

But I would expect the same courtesy (i.e., pointing out a correction) on any quiz I've written. Also, I don't mind discussions about them, if they're done in a friendly, rational way.

In fact, on a recent quiz I got a compliment with a correction included (spelling of an English city). Went to look for the error and couldn't find it. My husband couldn't find it. I emailed the 'corrector' of my dilemma and, sure enough, he couldn't fiind it again either. It's much funnier than it sounds, and we all laughed about it.

I always try to be polite and also compliment the quiz maker if I send a correction. I'm a born cynic, but in these cases, that will get you nowhere!

And, yes, thank you editors for your hard work. I've worked several times with one editor in particular that is very good, understanding and thorough. You probably know who you are (and NO, I'm not buttering anyone up! ). I didn't realize editors also reviewed corrections. Bravo!

Keep up the good work. Everyone. Oh, and sorry for being so long-winded!

Cheers!

woboogie


Edited by woboogie (Fri Mar 28 2008 09:36 AM)

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#334332 - Fri Mar 28 2008 10:34 AM Re: Before Sending a Correction... [Re: woboogie]
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A pet peeve of mine is what ladymacb alluded to. People sending correction notes when the explanation for what they think is an error is clearly shown in the interesting info, if they read it.

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#334333 - Fri Mar 28 2008 02:22 PM Re: Before Sending a Correction... [Re: jonnowales]
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I can understand that frustration. I think the interesting info is the best part of quizzes. But that's just me.

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#334334 - Tue Oct 07 2008 07:26 PM Re: Before Sending a Correction... [Re: ladymacb29]
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As a general rule, I'll review any correction notice I get and, if the player is correct, I'll thank them for pointing out the error and for taking the quiz. If I feel the player is incorrect, I'll explain to them why I think that, cite any supporting materials to indicate my research, and thank them for taking the quiz.

Getting an inaccurate correction notice can be a pain if the other person insists, despite your best efforts, that you're wrong. But the way I look at it, if someone feels that I'm off base and can show me that, it makes me a better quiz writer.

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#334335 - Fri Oct 17 2008 09:14 AM Re: Before Sending a Correction... [Re: cag1970]
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cag1970, couldn't agree more. I had one today that both I and the editor missed. A couple of hundred players also either didn't spot it or couldn't be bothered to send a correction. I'd rather get one early than later.
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#334336 - Fri Oct 17 2008 12:51 PM Re: Before Sending a Correction... [Re: romeomikegolf]
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I'm with you there mike - I once had a correction for a question that had been online over a year, played by over 200 people, and by myself about 6 times, and we still all missed an error! It was one of those "doh!" moments.
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#334337 - Sun Nov 23 2008 12:15 PM Re: Before Sending a Correction... [Re: Rowena8482]
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I have been guilty of ignoring a minor error on the grounds that it was petty, or that surely the writer would know about it by now? Not always! When I have done so, I've had replies that said "Oops... thank you ... didn't see that!"

At the other end of the scale, I had one correction notice for my one and only quiz, that said what I'd written was wrong, but didn't offer any information or resources to back it up, or suggest a better way of phrasing the question. Dealing with that was a bit like nailing a jelly to the wall.

If I send a correction notice, I will always back it up with what I think is the right phrase or spelling, and usually a reference of some sort to corroborate it. I don't think it's polite to tell a quiz author this is wrong but you need to work out why.
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#334338 - Sun Nov 23 2008 12:26 PM Re: Before Sending a Correction... [Re: lesley153]
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And now I shall be grateful for advice, please - I don't know the best place to post this.

I've just done today's brain twist:
http://www.funtrivia.com/trivia-quiz/BrainTeasers/Anagram-Quiz-239192.html
Quiz - Anagram Quiz
There was no guide to the order required, so I put them in the same order as the clues, and got the words right, but marked wrong for being in the "wrong" order.

Then I checked back to the original quiz, and read the rubric. A whole chunk of it had been removed for the Brain Twist:
"Make sure that the answers are in the order that makes sense, which is not necessarily the order given."
What a difference that would have made if I'd seen it first!

So I missed out on today's Brain Twist points, and hope it's OK for me to express my disappointment here.
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#334339 - Sun Nov 23 2008 12:30 PM Re: Before Sending a Correction... [Re: lesley153]
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Lesley, I would suggest posting it as a new thread, and title it something like:

GC: Brain Twist: Suggested improvement

and suggest that the full rubic is included in the GC. However, the GC seems to be working off a very old database, so it's possible that it does include the full rubic from the time when the quiz was written

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#334340 - Sun Nov 23 2008 12:40 PM Re: Before Sending a Correction... [Re: whee]
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That happened to me too, Lesley. I wasn't very happy.

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#334341 - Sun Nov 23 2008 02:37 PM Re: Before Sending a Correction... [Re: MaggieG]
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I agree with Lesley and Maggie - today's Twister was very confusing. First one I've missed this G/C, I suspect quite a few other people's jaws dropped when the answers page came up.
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#334342 - Sun Nov 23 2008 04:04 PM Re: Before Sending a Correction... [Re: lesley153]
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Quote:


There was no guide to the order required, so I put them in the same order as the clues, and got the words right, but marked wrong for being in the "wrong" order.

Then I checked back to the original quiz, and read the rubric. A whole chunk of it had been removed for the Brain Twist:
"Make sure that the answers are in the order that makes sense, which is not necessarily the order given."
What a difference that would have made if I'd seen it first!





Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you mean Lesley, but the full instructions were on the Brain Twist page when I played...
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#334343 - Sun Nov 23 2008 05:06 PM Re: Before Sending a Correction... [Re: guitargoddess]
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Well they certainly weren't when I played otherwise I would have known what to do!

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#334344 - Sun Nov 23 2008 05:13 PM Re: Before Sending a Correction... [Re: guitargoddess]
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There's no way to go back into the Brain Twist to check, but I also don't remember seeing that last sentence about what order to put the words.

The problem is for a question like "Annul daze caused by ambrosia". An answer that put the synonym for daze before the synonym for ambrosia was marked wrong. I believe most anagram quizzes allow the words in any order.

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#334345 - Sun Nov 23 2008 05:48 PM Re: Before Sending a Correction... [Re: Julia103]
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Hmm. Maybe it was really quickly changed to include all the instruction? I know for sure the line about putting them in the order that makes sense was there when I played, because I read this thread first before I went to play, so I made a point of looking at the introduction.
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#334346 - Mon Nov 24 2008 09:28 AM Re: Before Sending a Correction... [Re: guitargoddess]
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Yes, I saw the correction notices coming in for that one and added a note. I wasn't aware the database updated to reflect that, so it's a good thing to know.
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#968690 - Fri Feb 22 2013 11:53 AM Re: Before Sending a Correction... [Re: agony]
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Yes! The wording, not the information, is a problem I encounter several times a week playing the Daily Email Quiz, and it is almost always a sports question. And it is beginning to happen on the Knockout too.

Often the sport is not named in the question or only an acronym is used, but the acronym is not one that is solely applicable to the sport the author is thinking of.

Today there was a scoring question about the "AFL". I have no idea which "AFL" was meant, but it clearly was not the American Football League given the answer used terms not even used in American football - regardless of the league. Maybe Australian Football League? Still could not figure it out, even with the answer!

Whoever the Sports editors are, can you please see that questions specifically indicate the sport? I am tired of ruining otherwise perfect scores because of the question's lack of clarity.

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#968694 - Fri Feb 22 2013 12:32 PM Re: Before Sending a Correction... [Re: Taln-SG]
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Originally Posted By: Taln-SG
Yes! The wording, not the information, is a problem I encounter several times a week playing the Daily Email Quiz, and it is almost always a sports question. And it is beginning to happen on the Knockout too.

Often the sport is not named in the question or only an acronym is used, but the acronym is not one that is solely applicable to the sport the author is thinking of.

Today there was a scoring question about the "AFL". I have no idea which "AFL" was meant, but it clearly was not the American Football League given the answer used terms not even used in American football - regardless of the league. Maybe Australian Football League? Still could not figure it out, even with the answer!

Whoever the Sports editors are, can you please see that questions specifically indicate the sport? I am tired of ruining otherwise perfect scores because of the question's lack of clarity.


If you try and submit a sport single question, there's a big red message asking you to specify the sport that the question is about. I would imagine this reflects the guidelines for full sport quizzes as well.

That would imply that the questions you keep seeing are quite old, and were written before those guidelines were made. Therefore, the only way they will be changed is if you send a correction report (if you weren't doing so already).

But in Knockout, if you have no idea what sport the question is asking about, your opponent probably doesn't either. That makes it fair and even.
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#968696 - Fri Feb 22 2013 12:51 PM Re: Before Sending a Correction... [Re: ladymacb29]
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Each individual question in a full sports quiz won't necessarily give what sport is bring asked about or totally spell out the name of the league if the entire quiz is about the same topic. The quiz title and subcategory which is displayed in most if not all games can often give you the context info you need.
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#968697 - Fri Feb 22 2013 01:00 PM Re: Before Sending a Correction... [Re: ladymacb29]
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It's displayed for all games.

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#968708 - Fri Feb 22 2013 03:06 PM Re: Before Sending a Correction... [Re: ladymacb29]
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Recently I remember a question in the Global Challenge which asked what team a player was on. It came from a quiz in the NBA 2000-01 subcategory of NBA By Season, but all that was provided was "Basketball : NBA By Season". Neither the question nor the quiz title mentioned the year, and you can't get the quiz's introductory text. http://www.funtrivia.com/trivia-quiz/Sports/Players-and-Their-Teams-24664.html was the quiz. It's true that Damon Stoudamire never played for the three incorrect answers, however (and I still would have had a 25% chance of getting right if I had the year). I vaguely remember encountering the same issue for an Olympics question.

It appears this is only an issue for the special (sub)categories. It appears it shows the second most specific subcategory. For example, I did the People Themed E-K set, and two questions were in the "Hanks, Tom" and "Ford, Harrison" subcats, and it showed "People Themed E-K" as the subcategory. Another question was in the "Hitchcock Taglines" subcat, and it showed "Hitchcock, Alfred".

The regular categories properly show the most specific subcat as far as I can tell.


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#1043257 - Fri Apr 25 2014 02:30 AM Re: Before Sending a Correction... [Re: ladymacb29]
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Is this the right place to ask this?

If you have followed these guidelines and submitted a correction note properly, but it is ignored, what should your next step be? How long should you wait to do more?

EG A wrong answer is given because the quiz writer mixed up Fred Bloggs and Fred Flintstone and you pointed it out?

If it is just a typo, I rarely go back to look, but if it is a factual discrepancy, I often go back to see if a change has been made. If it is just a matter of opinion, I am interested to see the author's take on new opinion, but where you have something such as the EG above, it is worrying when it is not put right.
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#1043261 - Fri Apr 25 2014 02:53 AM Re: Before Sending a Correction... [Re: ladymacb29]
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Sooner or later an editor will look at every single correction note. If the author ignores it, or says it doesn't need to be changed, the editor will check anyway. This can take time, however - when there are a lot of new quizzes requiring a lot of editing time, the editors in that category may not get around to checking corrections for days, and corrections that require them to do extensive research in order to determine whether the question needs to be changed, and how that can best be done, may take longer still. And if the author is still active, the editor may leave it several weeks to give them a chance to do it themselves before stepping in.

I wouldn't even consider taking any further action until at least a month has passed. By then something should definitely have happened. You could then retake the quiz and send another correction note, politely repeating the content of the first one, and asking them if they are planning to make any changes, or whether they wish to discuss it. (This shouldn't be necessary, as the correction note system has a mechanism that allows authors to respond to a correction with an explanation as to why they don't think any change is needed. As an author, I think it is only polite to use that if I don't think any change is in fact needed.) If the author is not active, and the matter is being addressed by an editor, the new correction note will flag the fact that there is still an issue to be considered. It is possible that a busy editor who decides no change is needed may not send you a message to explain why, but I am sure they would do so if you submitted a follow-up note.
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#1043262 - Fri Apr 25 2014 02:56 AM Re: Before Sending a Correction... [Re: ladymacb29]
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