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#468822 - Sun Apr 26 2009 10:04 AM Re: Spelling/Punctuation Counts??
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The scrabble list I have to hand includes:
Burqa
Faqir
Qadi
Qaid
Qanat
Qoph
Suq
Tzaddiqm
Waqf
Just to pick a sample (and all of them take an S plural)
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#468823 - Sun Apr 26 2009 02:55 PM Re: Spelling/Punctuation Counts??
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A common word seen on "Countdown" is Qintar which was a monetary denomination used in Albania (= 1/100th of a Lek).

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#468824 - Sun Apr 26 2009 05:25 PM Re: Spelling/Punctuation Counts??
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I should have pointed out, as my daughter's teacher did, that these rules apply to ENGLISH words, including, of course, not only those of Anglo-Saxon origin, but of Latin, Greek, French, et al, that are now part of the English lexicon.

All of the examples given by paper_aero and jonnowales are loanwords straight from Urdu, Persian, Arabic, and Hebrew. Note here how burqa, for example, has been anglicized to burka. Possibly in our globalization we'll see less of this and more retention of original forms. Or perhaps not; who knows?

I used to get my six-year-old to rattle this rule off for my amusement:

"The phonogram sh is used at the beginning or end of a base word (she, dish), at the end of a syllable (fin-ish), but never at the beginning of a syllable after the first one except for the ending ship (wor-ship, friend-ship)."

Quite a mouthful, huh?

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#468825 - Sun Apr 26 2009 09:09 PM Re: Spelling/Punctuation Counts??
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What about "watershed", "offshoot", "bumbershoot", "upshot"...?

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#468826 - Mon Apr 27 2009 12:06 AM Re: Spelling/Punctuation Counts??
queproblema Offline
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Liz, I think "base word" means each of the individual words in each of the compound words you list.

shed
shoot
shot

I've never taught this method, though, only watched two of my children learn it. And while I don't enthusiastically endorse it, neither am I against it. My experience is that motivation is more important than method, and that motivation comes from the parents' example and encouragement. I was taught to read by the Alice & Jerry sight method and don't find myself greatly crippled.

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#468827 - Mon Apr 27 2009 08:24 AM Re: Spelling/Punctuation Counts??
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Perhaps, but the "rule" only talks about base words in the first half, and about syllables later on, so you could see how I might be confused

Besides, if there is one thing that I know about "rules" in English, it is that there are always exceptions.

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#468828 - Mon Apr 27 2009 11:56 AM Re: Spelling/Punctuation Counts??
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You can say that again, spanishliz! The exceptions are the rule!
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#468829 - Mon Apr 27 2009 03:35 PM Re: Spelling/Punctuation Counts??
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What about the rarely used word "qat"? As ozzz2002 is a Scrabble linguist, he may have other words where there is not a "u" following a "q."



Including plurals, there are 72 of these words!

A few more for the list are- Qibla, umiaq and maqui, qorma, mbaqanga, qawwali, talaq, inqilab, tranq, and my personal favourite- waqf.

'Qat' and 'qi' probably account for over 50% of all Q words in a Scrabble tournament.

Aero- you spelled 'tzaddiqim' wrong.
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#468830 - Mon Apr 27 2009 03:42 PM Re: Spelling/Punctuation Counts??
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um... maqUi?
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#468831 - Mon Apr 27 2009 04:05 PM Re: Spelling/Punctuation Counts??
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Ozz - yep just looked at list - never was much of a typist. Do know of someone had that played against them for a bingo recently (the version with the Z)
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#468832 - Mon Apr 27 2009 04:07 PM Re: Spelling/Punctuation Counts??
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Oops- 'maqui' is the 'normal' anagram of 'umiaq'.
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#468833 - Mon Apr 27 2009 04:12 PM Re: Spelling/Punctuation Counts??
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I have never seen either version on a board, or even the singulars 'tzaddiq' or 'tsaddiq'. They are all very low-percentage words.
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#468834 - Mon Apr 27 2009 11:15 PM Re: Spelling/Punctuation Counts??
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Including plurals, there are 72 of these words!




I knew ozzz2002 would know!
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