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#510622 - Fri Feb 26 2010 07:24 PM Re: Word Wizard - Content Issues [Re: JMElston]
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Although it's great to have multiple definitions for words in the database, it complicates questions like this:

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13. A light shade of gray

Your answer: oyster

oyster means "a small muscle on each side of the back of a fowl"

The correct answer was silver grey

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"Oyster" is also a light shade of gray. The Compact OED has the following three definitions for "oyster":

1 a bivalve marine mollusc with a rough, flattened, irregularly oval shell, several kinds of which are farmed for food or pearls.
2 a shade of greyish white.
3 an oval morsel of meat on each side of the backbone in poultry.

I admit, I stopped reading the answers when I saw "oyster", or else I probably would have picked "silver grey", but it's still an accurate answer.

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#510623 - Sat Feb 27 2010 12:16 AM Re: Word Wizard - Content Issues [Re: abechstein]
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5. Scampo

Your answer: caught in european waters

An incomplete entry. This one may have been posted before.

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#510624 - Sun Feb 28 2010 06:49 AM Re: Word Wizard - Content Issues [Re: JMElston]
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5 sanctimoniousness

a mark to indicate a direction or relation
the first canonical hour
the first canonical hour
the link between two lenses
an act of deliberate betrayal
the quality of being hypocritically devout

Two identical wrong answers. This should be simple to prevent. I think someone posted a similar case earlier.

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#510625 - Thu Mar 04 2010 05:19 PM Re: Word Wizard - Content Issues [Re: JMElston]
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14. Located near the base of the neck

Your answer: thyroid

A true but incomplete definition. The word gland or something like it should be noted.

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#510626 - Thu Mar 04 2010 08:23 PM Re: Word Wizard - Content Issues [Re: JMElston]
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3. Belabor
Your answer: harsh criticism or disapproval

harsh criticism or disapproval is the definition for "censure"

The correct answer was beat soundly

Dictionary definition of belabor? attack verbally with harsh criticism
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#510627 - Thu Mar 04 2010 10:40 PM Re: Word Wizard - Content Issues [Re: bubblesfun]
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From Webster's New World College Dictionary:

1. to beat severely; hit or whip
2. to attack with words; scold
3. to spend too much time and effort on; develop in too great detail to belabor the issue

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And, not to belabor the point (sorry, but I couldn't resist!), I could find no definition of "belabor" which was a noun; judging by the definition given, the correct answer would have to be a noun.

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#510628 - Thu Mar 04 2010 11:11 PM Re: Word Wizard - Content Issues [Re: abechstein]
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Quote:

From Webster's New World College Dictionary:

1. to beat severely; hit or whip
2. to attack with words; scold
3. to spend too much time and effort on; develop in too great detail to belabor the issue

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And, not to belabor the point (sorry, but I couldn't resist!), I could find no definition of "belabor" which was a noun; judging by the definition given, the correct answer would have to be a noun.




Except that we know how many partial answers there are in the system. So, when you have two identical words from the definition, I think the assumption is there. Often when it is a plant or animal it merely says "found in the African rainforest". How are we supposed to know what is complete and what isn't?
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#510629 - Thu Mar 04 2010 11:50 PM Re: Word Wizard - Content Issues [Re: bubblesfun]
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A valid point, to be sure, though I've been seeing fewer incomplete definitions lately.

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#510630 - Fri Mar 05 2010 06:39 AM Re: Word Wizard - Content Issues [Re: Terry]
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I think there have been some very obscure definitions recently and have had to make some wild guesses. Just had this one though and, for the life of me, can't see why the "right" answer is right.

12. Livestock
Your answer: bounder

bounder is the definition for "perisher"

The correct answer was "not used technically"

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#510631 - Fri Mar 05 2010 10:15 AM Re: Word Wizard - Content Issues [Re: Mink]
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5. Blue_pickerel

Your answer: variety inhabiting the great lakes

Almost a complete definition, but lacking the word fish or something like it.

The 'livestock' definition above is also incomplete. The full definition is:

livestock: not used technically; any animals kept for use or profit

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#510632 - Fri Mar 05 2010 12:07 PM Re: Word Wizard - Content Issues [Re: JMElston]
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3. Thyroid

Your answer: located near the base of the neck

This looks very familiar, but still incomplete (and frequent).

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#510633 - Fri Mar 05 2010 03:17 PM Re: Word Wizard - Content Issues [Re: JMElston]
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Incomplete definitions are only a problem when they lead to two answers cross-matching. I can almost always work out how they match, even if some of the answers feel incomplete or a little strange. I have just considered it part of the game. And it doesn't take that long - I usually score 28-30 in under 250 seconds, even when I feel I have agonized endlessly over a decision. (28 has happened a couple of times when there were two synonyms to match with definitions, and random guessing as to which went with which was required - now THOSE are frustrating!)
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#510634 - Fri Mar 05 2010 04:36 PM Re: Word Wizard - Content Issues [Re: looney_tunes]
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I think the incomplete definitions are much more of an issue in WW than in MM; you can't work the same process of elimination in WW that you can in MM. Vide bubblesfun's problem above -- I didn't consider that the answers might include a incomplete definition, and, thus, the answer was fairly obvious. But the choice she made, if it was an incomplete definition, was just as correct.

The incomplete definitions will shake out eventually, but, without the process of elimination available, there is the potential for confusion in WW.

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#510635 - Sat Mar 06 2010 02:43 PM Re: Word Wizard - Content Issues [Re: abechstein]
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Some definitions are more 'incomplete' than others. Most can probably be figured out with some thought, but others certainly can fit a wide variety of words. It looks like the ';' in some original definitions may have caused part of the definition to be lost when the database was constructed.

The problems will go away eventually, if they are reported and fixed in some way.

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#510636 - Sat Mar 06 2010 07:11 PM Re: Word Wizard - Content Issues [Re: JMElston]
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Something's missing...

13. Height 30 inches
Your answer: common wallaby

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#510637 - Sat Mar 06 2010 08:51 PM Re: Word Wizard - Content Issues [Re: darthrevan89]
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Good one:

3. John M. Elston (JMElston)

Your answer: American FunTrivia player; Who Am I? editor; send me your comments & suggestions

German physicist; engineer; inventor of the mercury thermometer (Daniel Gabriel Fahrenheit)
Russian Revolutionary; Communist leader; killed in Mexico (Leon Trotsky)
Spanish pro golfer; currently playing on the European Seniors Tour (Jose Rivero)
Romanian-born French playwright (Eugene Ionesco)
Trinidadian-born British journalist; TV newsreader (Trevor McDonald)

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#510638 - Sat Mar 06 2010 09:35 PM Re: Word Wizard - Content Issues [Re: queproblema]
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I put that in quite a while ago to give players a chance to know who to complain or comment to with their problems or suggestions.

I don't claim to be important, like the other names mentioned above.

Of course, with the once a day frequency, now, my name won't turn up that often. Still, when it does, everyone in the set gets to see it.

Thanks for the notice.

I just noticed this was in the wrong thread. Oh well...

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#510639 - Sun Mar 07 2010 02:14 AM Re: Word Wizard - Content Issues [Re: JMElston]
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Not an error, but an interesting coincidence in the set I just had:

10 sty

snug trousers ending at the calves
a verse line having eight metrical feet
a pen for swine
a person of no influence
great and constant diligence and attention
give a spanking to

11 sty

wear away
resolute adherence to your own ideas or desires
an optical device for obtaining interference fringes
an infection of the sebaceous gland of the eyelid
an enzyme involved in transamination
be in a state of action

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#510640 - Mon Mar 08 2010 12:46 PM Re: Word Wizard - Content Issues [Re: JMElston]
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8. Type_B
Your answer: a style that involves indirect ways of expressing things

a style that involves indirect ways of expressing things is the definition for "circumlocution"

The correct answer was the blood group whose red cells carry the b antigen


I believe that Type B personality is more indirect, am I correct? If so, a fix is needed here to avoid this scenario.

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#510641 - Tue Mar 09 2010 02:44 PM Re: Word Wizard - Content Issues [Re: whee]
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9. Diethylaminoethyl_cellulose

Your answer: used for chromatography

Fairly easy to figure out, but another incomplete definition.

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#510642 - Tue Mar 09 2010 09:22 PM Re: Word Wizard - Content Issues [Re: JMElston]
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This seems to be another incomplete definition:


When planning or deciding something

Your answer: consult

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#510643 - Wed Mar 10 2010 03:37 AM Re: Word Wizard - Content Issues [Re: abechstein]
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Another incomplete definition...

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3. Depresses the function of the thyroid gland

Your answer: thiouracil

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#510644 - Thu Mar 11 2010 08:01 PM Re: Word Wizard - Content Issues [Re: abechstein]
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Any very successful means of achieving a result
Your answer: collectivist

collectivist means "a person who belongs to the political left"

The correct answer was open sesame

Not sure about this one. Open sesame?

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#510645 - Fri Mar 12 2010 03:21 AM Re: Word Wizard - Content Issues [Re: fredsixties]
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This is a paste from the Longman Dictionary of Contemporary English
Advanced Learner's Dictionary (although you can certainly find it elsewhere online):

open sesame [singular] British English
an easy way to achieve something that is usually very difficult

usage example:
A university degree isn't always an open sesame to a good job.
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#510646 - Fri Mar 12 2010 04:46 AM Re: Word Wizard - Content Issues [Re: Jakeroo]
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It's an anglicisation of "Open, Simsim" from "Ali Baba and the Forty Thieves".
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