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#575316 - Fri Dec 10 2010 09:13 PM Re: Added lev 100 mini-badge: The Centurion Champs [Re: flopsymopsy]
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If we bumped it up to requiring all 7, would everyone -1 person currently with it still comply with the requirement?

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#575317 - Fri Dec 10 2010 09:17 PM Re: Added lev 100 mini-badge: The Centurion Champs [Re: salami_swami]
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Hmm it looks like a few get tripped up on not having Mind Melt.

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#575319 - Fri Dec 10 2010 09:22 PM Re: Added lev 100 mini-badge: The Centurion Champs [Re: Terry]
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No, I'll keep it 6 of 7.

ssabreman and cubswin are the only ones short.

I'll leave things as they are if you two promise to earn 1 more monthly in the new year!

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#575320 - Fri Dec 10 2010 09:33 PM Re: Added lev 100 mini-badge: The Centurion Champs [Re: Terry]
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I just tried to claim the badge, but the page is telling me I don't have the monthly badge for Who Am I? or Mind Melt, both of which I do have...

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#575322 - Fri Dec 10 2010 09:35 PM Re: Added lev 100 mini-badge: The Centurion Champs [Re: Terry]
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I despise Mind Melt. The game would be greatly improved if the last 10 ?'s would be cut. A 20 question game of 10 syn.and 10 ant. would be a good game. There is already a monthly vocab game anyway. Word Wizard. The site is already on the arty side anyway.

I believe hourlies should be limited at 10 ?'s and dailies limited to 15. I would agree with keeping KO at 20 though. That's head-to-head.

I wouldn't mind a badge or badgelet for WTS division winners in a certain number of different categories. We have Movies, TV, Humanities, Animals, Religion, Sports, World, General, People, Sci & Tech, Music, Hobbies, Geography, History, and Lit. It's one thing to have good average score in WTS or to have a nice ELO. It's quite another to win a division in multiple categories in WTS. It's a real test to a person's ELO rating to try and win a category that may not be a person's specialty. Maybe we could call it the Da Vinci Badge/Badgelet or something.


Edited by cubswin2323 (Fri Dec 10 2010 10:16 PM)
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#575323 - Fri Dec 10 2010 09:38 PM Re: Added lev 100 mini-badge: The Centurion Champs [Re: cubswin2323]
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No problems now -- thanks, Terry!

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#575324 - Fri Dec 10 2010 09:38 PM Re: Added lev 100 mini-badge: The Centurion Champs [Re: cubswin2323]
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The badge will be a nice New Years Day gift. If I hadn't have missed playing a WAI day, I would have had it last month. It's been a thorn in my side for a while now. As long as I don't skip a day, I should get it.
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#575325 - Fri Dec 10 2010 09:39 PM Re: Added lev 100 mini-badge: The Centurion Champs [Re: cubswin2323]
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Actually while you were typing that, I've come up with the solution to all our problems.

The requirements. The FINAL requirements are:

"Own any 7 monthly badges." (of the 9 available, including GM monthlies)

This:
a) fits those who have had it awarded so far
b) gives some flexibility
c) makes it a little tougher -- 6 was a little light wink
d) makes it POSSIBLE for non GMs, but more flexible for GMs, which fits into our model nicely.

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#575327 - Fri Dec 10 2010 09:46 PM Re: Added lev 100 mini-badge: The Centurion Champs [Re: Terry]
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Ok, level 125's "Legendary Champion" has been fixed and is open for business.

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#575333 - Fri Dec 10 2010 09:53 PM Re: Added lev 100 mini-badge: The Centurion Champs [Re: Terry]
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Originally Posted By: Terry
Upon further consideration, I have changed "Master Champion" from level 150 requirement to level 125.

Scoring monthly badges in 7 games is impressive enough -- this award doesn't need the extra challenge of 150. I think 125 is a lot more reasonable.


Well, okay. Yay! I won the badge. Thank you.

For the record, I wasn't trying to lobby to influence the rules to my advantage with the monthly badge wrinkle. It's just that the Champs division definition was a little murky. I was more than willing to wait until after the getting the WAI monthly first. I appreciate the badge though.
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#575335 - Fri Dec 10 2010 09:56 PM Re: Added lev 100 mini-badge: The Centurion Champs [Re: Terry]
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Thanks Terry, that means that I have now qualified for it and don't have to worry about WTS or mixed - thank goodness, I has dreading having to do those ones - they are in the 'someday' list smile
I now also have my first 'mega' badge. woo hoo!
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#575336 - Fri Dec 10 2010 09:56 PM Re: Added lev 100 mini-badge: The Centurion Champs [Re: cubswin2323]
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The "champions division" thing actually bothered me because it didn't feel complete.

These "big badges" award completeness... accomplishing a great range of things over a period of time. I feel much better about the "7 monthly badges" requirement.

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#575338 - Fri Dec 10 2010 10:06 PM Re: Added lev 100 mini-badge: The Centurion Champs [Re: Terry]
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Super! My first Mega-Badge. I love it.

Happy Mega-Badge Trivia!
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#575342 - Fri Dec 10 2010 10:25 PM Re: Added lev 100 mini-badge: The Centurion Champs [Re: JMElston]
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That is a much better fix, Terry (and now I'm MUCH closer than I was. wink
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#575344 - Fri Dec 10 2010 10:28 PM Re: Added lev 100 mini-badge: The Centurion Champs [Re: Terry]
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Originally Posted By: Terry
The "champions division" thing actually bothered me because it didn't feel complete.

These "big badges" award completeness... accomplishing a great range of things over a period of time. I feel much better about the "7 monthly badges" requirement.


Well, okay. I do greatly appreciate the badge though. I would like to highlight what I mentioned earlier up the thread though. I do believe the multi-category win badge/badgelet idea in WTS is a good one. I'm not sure if you caught it in the criss-cross, but here's the idea:

I wouldn't mind a badge or badgelet for WTS division winners in a certain number of different categories. Maybe a badgelet for non-champs division, a full badge for champs division. We have Movies, TV, Humanities, Animals, Religion, Sports, World, General, People, Sci & Tech, Music, Hobbies, Geography, History, and Lit. Fifteen different categories. Maybe 12? It's one thing to have good average score in WTS or to have a nice ELO. It's quite another to win a division in multiple categories in WTS. It's a real test to a person's ELO rating to try and win a category that may not be a person's specialty. I think the ELO's in these divisions are skewed to specialists. This could encourage more WTS participation I believe. Maybe we could call it the Da Vinci Badge/Badgelet or something. If it's 11, maybe the Magnificent 11.
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#575347 - Fri Dec 10 2010 11:21 PM Re: Added lev 100 mini-badge: The Centurion Champs [Re: cubswin2323]
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Thanks for the badge Terry.

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#575352 - Sat Dec 11 2010 12:31 AM Re: Added lev 100 mini-badge: The Centurion Champs [Re: Starlord]
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Thanks for the last change Terry! Just made it. Glad since Mindmelt and WAI are the only two I am missing! Love the mega badge!

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#575409 - Sat Dec 11 2010 06:15 AM Re: Added lev 100 mini-badge: The Centurion Champs [Re: Ghosttowner]
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I'm glad you worked it out like that, Terry, that's a good solution. I like the idea of giving GMs a bit more wriggle room while still making the badge available to non-GMs. smile

Now, can I interest you in a mega-mega badge for the sad people who have all nine? No? I thought not. wink
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#575414 - Sat Dec 11 2010 07:01 AM Re: Added lev 100 mini-badge: The Centurion Champs [Re: flopsymopsy]
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Ooooh, this was an exciting thread to read! The last time I looked the criteria for the Champion badge was 7 categories with champions divisions - and I was short 'Fill Me In' (though I'm working on that this month, so just under three weeks away I thought ...).

Then, reading this thread and Terry's developing thought processes, I was thinking 'yes I've got it already' ... 'no, I haven't' ... yes ... no ... maybe .... YES YES!

Only (minor)thing is it seems the badge isn't awarded automatically to qualifying players, you have to go to the Challenges area and click on the badge to actually get it. Since there are a lot of changes recently on the site and not everyone follows the discussions on the Froums, could it be awarded automatically?

It looks swell by the way! laugh


Edited by dsimpy (Sat Dec 11 2010 07:44 AM)
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#575473 - Sat Dec 11 2010 12:08 PM Re: Added lev 100 mini-badge: The Centurion Champs [Re: dsimpy]
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Hopefully my 7 Monthly badges will now be sufficient to remove me from the 'doghouse'.

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#575503 - Sat Dec 11 2010 03:14 PM Re: Added lev 100 mini-badge: The Centurion Champs [Re: cubswin2323]
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Originally Posted By: cubswin2323

I wouldn't mind a badge or badgelet for WTS division winners in a certain number of different categories. Maybe a badgelet for non-champs division, a full badge for champs division. We have Movies, TV, Humanities, Animals, Religion, Sports, World, General, People, Sci & Tech, Music, Hobbies, Geography, History, and Lit. Fifteen different categories. Maybe 12? It's one thing to have good average score in WTS or to have a nice ELO. It's quite another to win a division in multiple categories in WTS. It's a real test to a person's ELO rating to try and win a category that may not be a person's specialty. I think the ELO's in these divisions are skewed to specialists. This could encourage more WTS participation I believe. Maybe we could call it the Da Vinci Badge/Badgelet or something. If it's 11, maybe the Magnificent 11.


Two things:

1. Of course the ELO ratings are skewed towards specialists. We all have our specialties that we enjoy and we play them. We do well, we go up in rating.

2. Your idea of this new badge will only encourage more Googling in the WTS game. I, and most of the others who have a high ELO rating in WTS have earned it fairly without the use of Google. As you are already one of the ones who do use Google, I can see why you have no problem with this.


A friend of mine once told me that the hourlies have gone from "Who is the best?" to "Who Googles the fastest?" Expert has been that way for a while (I still don't see what pride there is in using Google in the hourlies. I tried when Expert was first created and it wasn't worth it.), but I keep going along earning my wins the fair way without the use of a search engine. But, I refused to agree with him on the other games. If this badge gets created, then he will be 100% right. If this badge does get implemented, I will stop playing WTS. I will not go against a bunch of Googlers in WTS.

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#575550 - Sat Dec 11 2010 06:52 PM Re: Added lev 100 mini-badge: The Centurion Champs [Re: Anton]
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The ELO is of minor importance to me. The ELO is there for entertainment purposes. The thing I'm concentrating on is an idea for a new badge/badgelet. To create something that makes FT better. My vision is clear on this.


Edited by cubswin2323 (Sat Dec 11 2010 07:11 PM)
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#575561 - Sat Dec 11 2010 07:23 PM Re: Added lev 100 mini-badge: The Centurion Champs [Re: cubswin2323]
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Your "vision" does not make Funtrivia better. Refer back to my second point in my last post, and if the ELO rating was of minor importance to you, you wouldn't have mentioned it so many times. In fact, you wouldn't have mentioned it at all. You could have made the same point about a new badge without bringing up ELOs.

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#575628 - Sat Dec 11 2010 10:16 PM Re: Added lev 100 mini-badge: The Centurion Champs [Re: Anton]
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Originally Posted By: AntonLaVey

I wouldn't mind a Two things:

1. Of course the ELO ratings are skewed towards specialists. We all have our specialties that we enjoy and we play them. We do well, we go up in rating.

2. Your idea of this new badge will only encourage more Googling in the WTS game. I, and most of the others who have a high ELO rating in WTS have earned it fairly without the use of Google. As you are already one of the ones who do use Google, I can see why you have no problem with this.


A friend of mine once told me that the hourlies have gone from "Who is the best?" to "Who Googles the fastest?" Expert has been that way for a while (I still don't see what pride there is in using Google in the hourlies. I tried when Expert was first created and it wasn't worth it.), but I keep going along earning my wins the fair way without the use of a search engine. But, I refused to agree with him on the other games. If this badge gets created, then he will be 100% right. If this badge does get implemented, I will stop playing WTS. I will not go against a bunch of Googlers in WTS.


I honestly don't get this reasoning. Why is your win more fair because you may have taken a geography course or lived in more countries while I "fairly" beat you using google? The time element is the great equalizer in a game like WTS. I have to weigh whether taking extra time may beat guessing at times. Why should someone have more "pride" from getting an answer they guessed, while I took the risk to burn time to get the correct answer? So, it isn't worth it to you to Google, maybe that isn't in your skillset. If someone can google and still win the time test in a game like WTS, why are you more righteous? It really baffles me. And, yes, I am one of the higher rated WTS players and I occasionally google. So, you are already against a bunch of "Googlers". I guess that means I might move up the ranks as you will be stopping your play?


Edited by bubblesfun (Sat Dec 11 2010 10:16 PM)
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#575631 - Sat Dec 11 2010 10:42 PM Re: Added lev 100 mini-badge: The Centurion Champs [Re: bubblesfun]
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Why am I more righteous? Because I lived and died by my own knowledge. There are some games here where Googling is encouraged, but WTS is not one of them. Why do you think the time penalty was bumped up from one point per second to two points per second? It certainly wasn't to encourage looking up answers.


EDIT: No, I do not play against a bunch of Googlers now. There are a handful here and there, but if this badge that is being talked about gets created, a lot more will come out. When that happens, we might as well get rid of the hourlies as the people who do not Google in the hourlies, like myself, will be at a severe disadvantage. Either that or bump the time penalty to five points per second like I originally called for. That will stop any and all Googling in the hourlies.


Edited by AntonLaVey (Sat Dec 11 2010 10:47 PM)

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