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#631247 - Fri Jun 03 2011 07:12 AM Re: Mind Melt - Content Issues [Re: JanIQ]
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What is the difference between "go away from a place" (leave) and "go away from a place" (go forth)?
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#631310 - Fri Jun 03 2011 03:25 PM Re: Mind Melt - Content Issues [Re: JanIQ]
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humification is related to organic process
You said: senescence
humification means "the proces of the formation of humus"
organic process means "a process occurring in living organisms"

catabiosis is related to senescence
You said: organic process
catabiosis means "normal aging of cells"
senescence means "the organic process of growing older and showing the effects of increasing age"

OK, but humification and senescence are also both associated with decay and catabiosis is an organic process.

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#631348 - Fri Jun 03 2011 05:09 PM Re: Mind Melt - Content Issues [Re: Harrynj]
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But when you're matching, you have to find the BEST fit. Catabiosis and senescence are both associated with aging. Humification is a process of breaking down of material, not of aging. Once you match catabiosis and senescence, then humification is left to match with the more general term that could go with either one.
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#632990 - Fri Jun 10 2011 08:31 AM Re: Mind Melt - Content Issues [Re: looney_tunes]
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walk-on is not capable of or especially not involving speech or spoken lines; "had a nonspeaking role in the play"
You said: a minor actor in crowd scenes


extra is a minor actor in crowd scenes
You said: not capable of or especially not involving speech or spoken lines; "had a nonspeaking role in the play"



Is there a difference between the definitions for the two words? If so, what is it?

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#633051 - Fri Jun 10 2011 01:29 PM Re: Mind Melt - Content Issues [Re: Buddy1]
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A Walk-on is a butler delivering a drink on a tray. A poison drink which is a key player in the act but requires no lines to be spoken. An Extra is just background like set walls, acting to give a little life to the background of a scene and it'd matter not whether they speak. In fact, unheard lines being spoken makes extras seem even more alive.
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#633053 - Fri Jun 10 2011 01:41 PM Re: Mind Melt - Content Issues [Re: mehaul]
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Extra - also known as self-propelled scenery
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#634346 - Thu Jun 16 2011 02:38 AM Re: Mind Melt - Content Issues [Re: paper_aero]
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Question 10 in the Relationships section of today's Mind Melt ...

The word 'hyperbolise' is misspelled throughout as 'hyerbolise'. frown
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#634612 - Thu Jun 16 2011 06:27 PM Re: Mind Melt - Content Issues [Re: dsimpy]
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lol paper aero, love that aka : )
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#634680 - Fri Jun 17 2011 06:56 AM Re: Mind Melt - Content Issues [Re: Jakeroo]
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Quote:
stave is related to equip
stave means "furnich with staves"

Should be 'furnish'.
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#634712 - Fri Jun 17 2011 10:25 AM Re: Mind Melt - Content Issues [Re: ozzz2002]
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Can you be sure of Stave's accuracy? What if it is supposed to be "Furnich with stoves"?

Stove is related to equipment.


Edited by mehaul (Fri Jun 17 2011 01:00 PM)
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#635694 - Tue Jun 21 2011 07:05 AM Re: Mind Melt - Content Issues [Re: mehaul]
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I've just had blackguard and jeer to match up with mock and derision. Naturally, I got them the wrong way around, even though the definitions actually match better the way I had them.

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#635854 - Tue Jun 21 2011 05:16 PM Re: Mind Melt - Content Issues [Re: rossian]
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I had the same experience, rossian, with the same reaction. The crazy ins and outs of the Mind Melt!
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#636416 - Thu Jun 23 2011 11:31 PM Re: Mind Melt - Content Issues [Re: shuehorn]
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(quote) bingle is (baseball) the successful act of striking a baseball in such a way that the batter reaches base safely (end quote)

The word is single with an 's'. I couldn't find a dictionary entry for bingle with a 'b'.

From Q set 18 on 23 June


Edited by mehaul (Thu Jun 23 2011 11:34 PM)
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#636420 - Thu Jun 23 2011 11:54 PM Re: Mind Melt - Content Issues [Re: mehaul]
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This site has two meanings for the word 'bingle'.

1- An Australian term for a car accident. There is also a car insurance company using the same name.

2- (baseball) the successful act of striking a baseball in such a way that the batter reaches base safely

I am not a follower of baseball, but I had never heard it used in that manner, either.
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#636484 - Fri Jun 24 2011 07:03 AM Re: Mind Melt - Content Issues [Re: ozzz2002]
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Call me old (if you dare), but I remember Early Wynn talking about a batter getting a "bingle" in the first days of Toronto Blue Jays radio broadcasts smile Don't hear it too much any more though.

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#636610 - Fri Jun 24 2011 01:26 PM Re: Mind Melt - Content Issues [Re: spanishliz]
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The free dictionary first describes bingle as single, then gives the definition of single. They also say there is an entry at Wikipedia (whose search engine doesn't recognise it) and that path redirects to single. All are what seem to be indications of a typo that won't go away. The term is not recognized at the Major League Baseball web site engine. Here is a link to the official rules (well, where you can download the official rules) but they do not recognize the term bingle either.
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/official_info/about_mlb/rules_regulations.jsp

And here is a link to the MLB official site's page for Baseball Lingo, a compendium of terms unique to the game, and Bingle is not there.
http://mlb.mlb.com/mlb/official_info/baseball_basics/lingo.jsp

If the Masons tell us something is a term from the electrical code but the Electricians Union does not recognize the term in any way, do we accept an irrelevent term? Or, do we ask of this this platform (FT) to use its limited amount of influence to promulgate real things? And here the logic of 'because the Masons say it, it is real' fails. Just my opinion. I think that Terry has no real power to change what other websites claim so we will continue to face these quirks.
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#636630 - Fri Jun 24 2011 02:34 PM Re: Mind Melt - Content Issues [Re: mehaul]
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That list is nowhere near complete, though. As well as "bingle" it is missing "slurve", "flare" (similar to a Texas leaguer) and a number of other terms that you'll hear when listening to a game on the radio or TV. I contend that it is not an error smile

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#636677 - Fri Jun 24 2011 04:55 PM Re: Mind Melt - Content Issues [Re: spanishliz]
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Citing the ommission of other words on the list does not logically mean that the ommission of Bingle is without meaning. It still means that it is not one of the key bits of jargon of the game. Some words missing from the list may one day be included (bloop is another more widely known term for a flare than even Texas Leaguer and bloop is not on the list, nor is delayed and double steals, but no one would deny they are lingo of the game.) Bingle does not fit those categories. It is nothing more than a persisting typo.
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#636744 - Fri Jun 24 2011 06:32 PM Re: Mind Melt - Content Issues [Re: mehaul]
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Mehaul, just because you have never heard the word used does not mean that it does not exist. As I stated before, Early Wynn (Hall of Fame Cleveland pitcher turned radio announcer) used it frequently when describing games played by the Toronto Blue Jays in the late 1970s. I heard him. The word exists as much more than a typo.

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#636769 - Fri Jun 24 2011 07:45 PM Re: Mind Melt - Content Issues [Re: spanishliz]
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I don't know all that much about baseball, but the word "bingle" looks to me like a coined term used to describe a single achieved by a bunt.
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#636790 - Fri Jun 24 2011 08:19 PM Re: Mind Melt - Content Issues [Re: Jakeroo]
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I had thought that too, Jakeroo, but I think it is mostly just a colourful way of describing any single (including a bunt single), in the same way that "tater" is a colourful way to describe a home run. However it came about, I'd have recognised it as being baseball-related had I seen it in a Mind Melt set smile

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#636796 - Fri Jun 24 2011 08:33 PM Re: Mind Melt - Content Issues [Re: spanishliz]
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It's quite a "delicious" word : ) And although I didn't have it in my set, I'd agree that I'd have picked baseball as well, if that was on the list of options.
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#636809 - Fri Jun 24 2011 09:24 PM Re: Mind Melt - Content Issues [Re: Jakeroo]
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What's a trouble then? A double that could have been a triple but the guy gets tagged out at third? Or, a tingle when the guy falls down on a ball to the corner, a possible triple, and he has to settle for first base? Or like I just saw in the Mariners/Marlins game in Seattle (but it's a Florida home game cause the U2 concert stage needs to be set up in Miami and Seattle became the host site but the away team, batted first) and the pitcher hit the batter in the hand producing a loud crack. The umpire initially called foul, then hit-by-pitch, is that to be a Fit-by-pitch where the managers take twenty minutes to stop arguing with the umpires who'd changed their call? Why do they call it a passed ball when the ball goes to the backstop. It was a batter catcher and ump that were passed so wouldn't passed catcher/ump/batter, a passed c/u/b be the right term to use? Or, an error that costs the team a game should officially be called a terror?
I got it right too, by the way. That's what 'the process' (Elimination) led me to. Also like I mentioned, it's been nice debating but the bingle will stay with us because it is defined by someone other than FT. "PLAY BAT!"
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#636828 - Fri Jun 24 2011 10:21 PM Re: Mind Melt - Content Issues [Re: mehaul]
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I have a friend who is a baseball guru and I asked him about this. His reply is-

"I haven't heard the term bingle in decades. Its just an old slang (really old) term for a base hit. That was used around the time that 'modern baseball' started (1920)."

Just because it is old and not many people have heard of it does not automatically mean it is not correct. smile
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#636830 - Fri Jun 24 2011 10:39 PM Re: Mind Melt - Content Issues [Re: ozzz2002]
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Thank you ozzz! That's what I have been trying to say! (Early Wynn was an old timer, no doubt that was why he used the term smile )

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#636841 - Fri Jun 24 2011 11:22 PM Re: Mind Melt - Content Issues [Re: spanishliz]
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I still have images of mangled cars, though. By the way, if you used the term for a minor collision between cars, as we do around here, would you get your car insured with a company called Bingle?
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#636842 - Fri Jun 24 2011 11:34 PM Re: Mind Melt - Content Issues [Re: looney_tunes]
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I sent an email to the MLB site that is responsible for the lingo list and asked that they include Bingle on the list before the connection to its veracity is lost.
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#636844 - Fri Jun 24 2011 11:51 PM Re: Mind Melt - Content Issues [Re: mehaul]
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Oh good! Please let us know what they say.
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#636846 - Fri Jun 24 2011 11:55 PM Re: Mind Melt - Content Issues [Re: looney_tunes]
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Originally Posted By: looney_tunes
I still have images of mangled cars, though. By the way, if you used the term for a minor collision between cars, as we do around here, would you get your car insured with a company called Bingle?

Would be like using a health insurance company named 'Leprosy'.
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#636855 - Sat Jun 25 2011 01:13 AM Re: Mind Melt - Content Issues [Re: ozzz2002]
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Or hiring an accountant from the firm with my all-time favorite poorly-chosen corporate name, Nutt and Muddle.
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