#775389 - Sat Mar 03 2012 05:43 AM
Re: Help our authors - play the New Question Game!
[Re: WesleyCrusher]
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Many times the questions can be insanely obscure. That zaps a lot of the fun out of it. I still play due to the team aspect to the game, but that's pretty much the only reason why.
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#775408 - Sat Mar 03 2012 08:50 AM
Re: Help our authors - play the New Question Game!
[Re: cubswin2323]
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Registered: Wed Feb 03 2010
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Loc: Florida USA
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WesleyCrusher, Do you have a breakdown on the percentage that take the quiz (all thusly contributing to the % correct figure assigned to a Q&A) and then fail to rate the Qs (impacting the good/bad value)?
If we read backwards on an authors accepted/rated page it says xxx rated the Q, yy% correct and z.zz good/bad. It could be inferred that only those who rated the Q are counted toward the % correct, but I'm guessing it is all who took the Q, whether rated or not, get included in that figure. IOW, the inferred is that the z.zz figure comes from all of the xxx number. That would exclude those who took the Q but didn't submit a rating for the five measely points you get for each evaluation. Raise those points earned for rating a Q and more may visit the game and lend an evaluation. Then set a badge target based on earning those evaluation points (like whozzits: ratits), not on how many they got correct without offering a rating.
Edited by mehaul (Sat Mar 03 2012 09:03 AM)
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#775425 - Sat Mar 03 2012 10:11 AM
Re: Help our authors - play the New Question Game!
[Re: agony]
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If players aren't rating because they don't think the tenth of a second it takes is worth it for five points, they won't rate for fifty points either. Anyway, do we want the opinions of those who only rate because of the points? My sentiments exactly, agony. I couldn't have said it any better.
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#775435 - Sat Mar 03 2012 10:28 AM
Re: Help our authors - play the New Question Game!
[Re: dg_dave]
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Registered: Wed Feb 03 2010
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Loc: Florida USA
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Fifty points for taking and rating a quiz is way out of proportion to the points that can be earned in other games. People do care about two things here it seems: Points and Badges. Granting a badge for being part of expanding the Q dB seems appropriate. There are two to be earned on the writer side of the equation. Put one on the taker/rater side and I'm sure more will play and rate.
Edited by mehaul (Sat Mar 03 2012 10:30 AM)
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#775437 - Sat Mar 03 2012 10:33 AM
Re: Help our authors - play the New Question Game!
[Re: mehaul]
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Registered: Thu Jan 15 2009
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Loc: New York USA
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Instead of adding points, couldn't you just make the daily team points (the only reason I play) contingent on ratings? In other words, to have a score count, ratings must be completed.
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#775468 - Sat Mar 03 2012 12:23 PM
Re: Help our authors - play the New Question Game!
[Re: bubblesfun]
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Here's an example of the crazy obscurity some of these questions have.
6. With the withdrawal of the last coalition combat troops from Iraq on December 15, 2011, how many US Medal of Honor recipients were there during the 8 year 9 month conflict?
4 1 2 5
I have NO idea how anybody is supposed to know that.
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#775476 - Sat Mar 03 2012 12:43 PM
Re: Help our authors - play the New Question Game!
[Re: cubswin2323]
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The NQG rules said it was to be expected that 80% should be able to answer the question. In many tough questions, like that one, the answers are often set to lead to the correct response, getting correct replies in that ballpark and thus you learn. But when no clues to the answer are given, that is too obscure a question. More like 2% would know the answer meaning a 25% correct result would have been purely from guessing. The Question is time dependent also. Some injured combatants may yet receive the award even after the Coalition has left the battlefield. It is disrespectful to only expect that the question only pertains to those given by the withdrawal date. That number is not tracked (only the total is) What is tracked are the total attributable to the conflict as a whole. And as of now, that number may change.
Edited by mehaul (Sat Mar 03 2012 01:03 PM)
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#775481 - Sat Mar 03 2012 01:02 PM
Re: Help our authors - play the New Question Game!
[Re: cubswin2323]
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Registered: Thu Jan 15 2009
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Here's an example of the crazy obscurity some of these questions have.
6. With the withdrawal of the last coalition combat troops from Iraq on December 15, 2011, how many US Medal of Honor recipients were there during the 8 year 9 month conflict?
4 1 2 5
I have NO idea how anybody is supposed to know that. And that question exemplifies my issue with many of the questions, which is not enough information given. Does the question mean the people who won the Medal of Honor for their service during the conflict, or since the specific time period was mentioned, would it also include Tibor Rubin, who won the award in 2005, but was actually a Holocaust survivor who fought in the Korean War. Answers fitting both possibilities are there as choices.
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#775486 - Sat Mar 03 2012 01:10 PM
Re: Help our authors - play the New Question Game!
[Re: bubblesfun]
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Registered: Tue Aug 11 2009
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I received this question too and frankly, found it a bad question, but then you mark it as such, and if there's an ambiguity, then submit a correction note. To play 10 questions once a day isn't really a lot to ask but it makes such a difference to the time it takes to have questions rated by the game.
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#775518 - Sat Mar 03 2012 03:59 PM
Re: Help our authors - play the New Question Game!
[Re: eyhung]
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Registered: Sat Sep 04 2010
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I agree with Julia103 that the site navigation is inconsistent -- a few games are unavailable from the menus. In particular:
1) The New Question Game 2) My Daily Quiz 3) The 195 Day Bus Ride
All of these should be available from a dropdown menu somehow. Please add the Mind Melt to that list...nice to have them all in both places.
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#775519 - Sat Mar 03 2012 04:07 PM
Re: Help our authors - play the New Question Game!
[Re: Barbarini]
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I agree with Julia103 that the site navigation is inconsistent -- a few games are unavailable from the menus. In particular:
1) The New Question Game 2) My Daily Quiz 3) The 195 Day Bus Ride
All of these should be available from a dropdown menu somehow. Please add the Mind Melt to that list...nice to have them all in both places. It's located below the Daily Game on the pulldown menu.
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#775523 - Sat Mar 03 2012 05:19 PM
Re: Help our authors - play the New Question Game!
[Re: cubswin2323]
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Registered: Sat Apr 24 2010
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Loc: Ontario Canada
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I play New Questions every day and the difficulty varies, one day I'll be asked about things I've never watched, read, or listened to. Then the next day it will be more general and easier questions. I usually rate Average, but I will rate Excellent or Poor if I think it deserves that rating. Did somebody mention new badges? That will drive participation up!  Oh and P.S. while Mind Melt is brought up, should the NEW button on the homepage beside Mind Melt be removed, there are players who have played the game 750 times!
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#775796 - Sun Mar 04 2012 01:09 PM
Re: Help our authors - play the New Question Game!
[Re: Midget40]
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Registered: Tue Aug 11 2009
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I agree with Midget40 - I wouldn't like to see a badge solely for rating, but wouldn't be averse to one that encourages participation, but then it must be considered that if rating isn't necessary for a new badge, then many players just won't bother.
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#775831 - Sun Mar 04 2012 02:05 PM
Re: Help our authors - play the New Question Game!
[Re: reeshy]
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Registered: Wed Feb 03 2010
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Loc: Florida USA
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There already is a badge awarded for rating. It is the Rating Badge. It is awarded for rating (after playing) 500 quizzes. If there, shouldn't single questions get similar treatment? 500 quizzes is around 5000 questions. But since the quizzes can be taken in multiple chunks each day, That quiz rater badge can be given in the couple of months taking them time frame. A similar time frame on single questions (since we can only do 10/day) would be at around 600 questions (60 days x 10/day). If the speed raters are in it for just the badge they'd most likely stop doing unthinking ratings once they have the badge. Every Question presented in that time frame would have the same amount of that against them so it would all average out in time.
Edited by mehaul (Sun Mar 04 2012 02:20 PM)
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