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#678670 - Thu Jan 05 2012 05:20 PM Re: Who Am I - Content Issues [Re: bubblesfun]
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Originally Posted By: bubblesfun
Here is one more quote to save you research, lol. This is Lewis talking about his admiration for Yeats: "I am often surprised to find how utterly ignored Yeats is among the men I have met: perhaps his appeal is purely Irish – if so, then thank the gods that I am Irish."


Love it! Thanks.

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#678735 - Thu Jan 05 2012 10:44 PM Re: Who Am I - Content Issues [Re: shuehorn]
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Flopsy: Snobbery occurs everywhere. Including my country. Including FT. That doesn't change simple facts, merely opinions of same. Opinions are not facts.


Edited by Jakeroo (Thu Jan 05 2012 11:00 PM)
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#678840 - Fri Jan 06 2012 11:24 AM Re: Who Am I - Content Issues [Re: Jakeroo]
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I agree with Jakeroo. I know it's a bit more indistinctive between Irish and Northern Irish, but I dare say considering yourself Irish doesn't make you Irish! The border between Ireland and Northern Ireland is political, sure, but then aren't nationalities?

EDIT: Then again, I'm considering the iffiness of considering someone from the entire island "Irish", where those of England, Scotland, and Wales (i.e. Great Britain) would be called "British". Would an Northern Irish call themselves British? I'll have to ask my Northern Irish friends! There perhaps ought be an adjective more relating to United Kingdom than to Britain, which doesn't include N. Ireland! Ahh, this confusing country. :P


Edited by reeshy (Fri Jan 06 2012 11:29 AM)
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#678848 - Fri Jan 06 2012 11:44 AM Re: Who Am I - Content Issues [Re: reeshy]
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I don't think I get your point, Reeshy, if someone is born in Belfast and considers themselves Irish, how does that not make them Irish? What other criteria could there be? In general, I think sticking with how someone identifies themselves is the best way to go.
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#678853 - Fri Jan 06 2012 11:50 AM Re: Who Am I - Content Issues [Re: bubblesfun]
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Exactly, whatever a person has said as what they consider themselves to be, that should take precedence over any other definitions based on others' points of view.
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#678860 - Fri Jan 06 2012 12:31 PM Re: Who Am I - Content Issues [Re: shuehorn]
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Originally Posted By: shuehorn
Exactly, whatever a person has said as what they consider themselves to be, that should take precedence over any other definitions based on others' points of view.


Would that apply to innocence in a court of law?

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#678863 - Fri Jan 06 2012 12:35 PM Re: Who Am I - Content Issues [Re: dippo]
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Yes, innocent until proven guilty. Irish until proven British, lol.
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#678864 - Fri Jan 06 2012 12:37 PM Re: Who Am I - Content Issues [Re: bubblesfun]
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I must say, my question about whether he was truly Irish or not was not intended to start a war about his nationality. :P
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#678967 - Fri Jan 06 2012 04:17 PM Re: Who Am I - Content Issues [Re: bubblesfun]
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Originally Posted By: bubblesfun
I don't think I get your point, Reeshy, if someone is born in Belfast and considers themselves Irish, how does that not make them Irish? What other criteria could there be?


Because Belfast is in Northern Ireland, which is a part of the UK and separate from the country Ireland. However, I have since learned that Irish citizenship is automatically given to those born in N. Ireland if one parent is Irish, and if neither parent is Irish, the N. Ireland resident is still entitled to Irish citizenship, so I think calling C.S. Lewis Irish is fine.

However, one must consider legality when denoting nationalities. An immigrant for example can consider themselves Australian (e.g.) if they have lived in Australia for a long time or something, but if they are still a US citizen and not an Australian one, then they are an American. It's not as simple as "whatever the person considers themselves to be", though I think on FunTrivia, we don't necessarily need to be so technical! Especially because of the iffiness (for lack of a better word) with N. Ireland and Ireland, anyway.
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#678970 - Fri Jan 06 2012 04:45 PM Re: Who Am I - Content Issues [Re: reeshy]
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That makes sense. I guess part of the issue depends on how you read the term Irish, as a nationality or as an ethnicity. This involves the idea that people from both Northern Ireland and from the Republic of Ireland (and many other countries) can claim to be Irish without having citizenship.
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#678976 - Fri Jan 06 2012 04:56 PM Re: Who Am I - Content Issues [Re: bubblesfun]
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Very true. I suppose it opens up a whole new can of worms!
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#679020 - Fri Jan 06 2012 10:04 PM Re: Who Am I - Content Issues [Re: reeshy]
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I found this discussion very informative though, so thanks to all who contributed.
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#679218 - Sun Jan 08 2012 12:06 AM Re: Who Am I - Content Issues [Re: zorba_scank]
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And then came this:::

British-born nobility; later Irish; WWII pilot; author; journalist; farmer
Alberto Santos-Dumont
Placido Domingo
John Godley, 3rd Baron Kilbracken
Franz Schubert
Cliff Thorburn
Tito Gobbi
Answer: John Godley, 3rd Baron Kilbracken

One can later become Irish?
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#679219 - Sun Jan 08 2012 12:15 AM Re: Who Am I - Content Issues [Re: mehaul]
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Apparently so, if granted an Irish title!
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#679283 - Sun Jan 08 2012 01:42 PM Re: Who Am I - Content Issues [Re: looney_tunes]
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He became an Irish citizen after renouncing his British citizenship.
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#681840 - Tue Jan 17 2012 09:17 AM Re: Who Am I - Content Issues [Re: AlexxSchneider]
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Swiss-born French physcian; bacteriologist; codiscovered the bubonic plague bacillus
Your answer: Alexandre Yersin

physcian should be physician

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#688017 - Tue Feb 07 2012 08:13 PM Re: Who Am I - Content Issues [Re: Buddy1]
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Scottish poetess; playwright; writer; current Poet Laureate of Britain
Blaise Pascal
Carol Ann Duffy
Fou Ts'ong
Baron Forte
Gary Player
Samuel Cunard

Is she still?
In any case, this needs to be rid of the 'current' adjective,
I see nothing wrong with just saying Poet Laureate of Britain which covers present and past,


Edit note: I didn't think I needed to post the answer. There is only one female listed as a possible poetess. Usually the gender of incorrect answers is quite agreeable with the actual answer.


Edited by mehaul (Sun Feb 12 2012 10:51 PM)
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#689473 - Sun Feb 12 2012 01:06 PM Re: Who Am I - Content Issues [Re: triviapaul]
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Naomi Mitchison
Your answer: Scotish novelist; poetess; feminist; good friend of J. R. R. Tolkien

typo - spelling - Scottish

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#692932 - Wed Feb 22 2012 02:36 PM Re: Who Am I - Content Issues [Re: ssabreman]
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James Herriot
Your answer: Scottish veterinarian; author; 'All Creatures Great & Small'

The answer is correct except that I'm pretty sure (as is Wikipedia!) that he's not Scottish but English.

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#692980 - Wed Feb 22 2012 04:08 PM Re: Who Am I - Content Issues [Re: glendathecat]
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James Herriot - born in England, moved to Scotland at aged of 3 weeks...could reasonable be described as either English or Scottish.
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#775524 - Sat Mar 03 2012 05:32 PM Re: Who Am I - Content Issues [Re: paper_aero]
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8. American chemist; invented the pH meter; philanthroist; funded the first silicon transistor co.
Your answer: Arnold Orville Beckman


I believe there are two 'p's in philanthropist.
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#779775 - Sun Mar 18 2012 02:48 PM Re: Who Am I - Content Issues [Re: mehaul]
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I don't believe anything anymore lol
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#779823 - Sun Mar 18 2012 05:18 PM Re: Who Am I - Content Issues [Re: Jakeroo]
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Another one ripe for the Harvest!

Well you aren't in Kansas anymore, believe it. Try moving to Missouri, the "Show Me" state where seeing is believing. I've used many Beckman meters and never knew the man. Thank you FT.
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#780680 - Thu Mar 22 2012 08:25 AM Re: Who Am I - Content Issues [Re: mehaul]
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15. Ludwig Mies van der Rohe
American architect; 'Less is more' & 'The Devil is in the Details'

Ludwig Mies van der Rohe (March 27, 1886 – August 17, 1969) was a German architect...he left his homeland reluctantly in 1937. - wiki

German-American architect would be more accurate.

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#785683 - Wed Apr 11 2012 08:47 PM Re: Who Am I - Content Issues [Re: ssabreman]
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I just had
Angela Merkel = German female politician; current Chancellor

This isn't a problem right now, but made me wonder whether the rules about time-dependency that apply to quiz questions apply to this game as well. Should this be "Chancellor in early 21st century"? Or is "current" OK because JMElston is constantly reviewing the names?

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