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#811870 - Tue Jul 31 2012 02:11 PM The Endurance Badge from my perspective.
Mikey76500 Offline
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Hello, FTers.

I'm Michael. You may have noticed my screen name (Mikey76500) at the top of the points leaderboards for nearly all of Monday, July 30. I got the Gold-Member-only Endurance Badge, having scored 40 082 points for the day.

...and belieeeeeeeve me, those were the most exhausting 40 082 points I've ever scored in my young 21-year-old life.

I wanted to make this post mostly because I wanted to give some advice about Endurance from the perspective of someone who *isn't* Kickaha49 or Alan56 or Rossian or Genoveva or Matthewpokemon.....you know, people who are extremely smart, extremely good, and could score Endurance on an almost daily basis for multiple times in a row if they could.

This is advice from a guy who was not only at Level 37 when he started this arduous task, and didn't have ANY of those 40 000 points scored in ANY Gold-Member only areas, so that the little people who AREN'T gifted, experienced Centurions (like me) can relate.

I won't go into details of what I did (I don't wanna anger the mods or admins), but, I can basically tell you what I believe are the 5 most important requirements for the Endurance Badge. There are OTHER vital requirements, but these--in my humble opinion--are the MOST vital. If you can't abide by all 5 of these rules, you probably should pick another day to attempt.

Firstly, *Please* make sure you have the free time to attempt this. According to the challenge page of Endurance itself, it used to be called the "24 Hours Of FunTrivia Badge". Centurions like Genoveva and Kickaha49 still call it the "Blood Badge", because of the 'drop of blood' depicted on the Badge itself. It's both, really, and it requires that you have both the time, energy and patience to stay indoors (and awake) almost much all day to get it.
If you have to go to work that day, forget it.
If you have to babysit for an extended period of time that day, forget it.
If you have errands to run that day, forget it.
Chances say that you don't have a chance in heck to pull it off if you spend too much time not scoring, especially when nighttime comes round, when brilliant people like the names above have already broken the 20 000-point barrier.

Secondly, Make sure you know how to score big. As some example of what I mean by "big", *I* scored 40 082 points on Monday, July 30. Now, to be honest, I *was* gonna quit at 35 000, when I noticed that I had a 10 000-point lead over the player in 2nd place. But, I then decided to go for breaking 40 000, just in case anyone had any last minute ideas. I finally called it quits at 11:30 PM (FT time), or thereabouts. The Endurance Challenge Page says that a *minimum* of 25 000 points are required to score it on a slow day, although, expert player Alan56 told me in so few words that he scored a couple thousand less than that to get his Endurance.
In fact, according to what Kickaha49 told me, the experts who already have Endurance (like Kickaha49 himself, and other big names like Genoveva, Matthewpokemon and Alan56) had plans ahead of time and knew exactly how to implement those plans to maximum advantage.
Endurance usually requires 20 000-25 000 points. *Usually*. In reality, though, you can easily score 20 000 points in *12* hours, much less 24, so, before you attempt this exorbitant task, Take a week or so to look around the site and try to keep track of how *you personally* score the most points in a day; If you're good enough and consistent enough with your method, it may work. No guarantees, though.

Thirdly--and this is a very important one--Make. No. Assumptions. You can be overtaken by anyone at almost any time.
The day of the week matters not.
What time it is matters not.
Whether or not it's a holiday matters not.
The fact that you may only need 18 000-20 000 because it's kind of a slow day matters not.
Whether or not you're 10 000 points in front of 2nd place matters not.
Never assume that you'll just luck out and win; that's almost always a recipe for failure.
Between the experienced and seasoned experts that *know* how to score a lot of points really fast, the single-minded fury of the members that *don't* have Endurance (and are going for it) and the unpredictability of new members to the site who may not even know that they're going for the top spot to begin with, your attempt is almost never predictable as long as your total stands still, especially as there are multiple strategies to score thousands of points in mere minutes, especially if you're as gifted as the names above.
Taking an occasional break is one thing, but, if you start slacking off, and you're not over 30 000 points, chances are, you *will* pay for it.

Fourthly--and most importantly--Be ready to start scoring the INSTANT that the day starts. The FunTrivia clocks set up in a few places around the site go by Central Standard Time, unless I'm mistaken, and the day always starts at 11:50 PM instead of midnight (Don't ask. I dunno why, either). The second that the FT clocks tick over from 11:49, you should be well ready to start implementing your plans and methods so that you have the most realistic chances possible. Nearly everyone who won this badge was ready at 11:49.
You better be ready then, as well. As a wise lady once told me, "Fail to prepare, prepare to fail."

Fifthly, and finally, Don't be discouraged if you don't make it. I didn't get it on my first attempt. MANY others before me failed their first, second, third, fourth, and--in the case of Centurion Matthewpokemon--FIFTH attempts.
You could also take the hyper-gifted Rossian, as a prime example.
Rossian joined the Team I call home *loooooong* before I ever thought about sending her the invite to join it. She's very experienced, very smart, and knows more than you or I do (most likely). She's not only the most accomplished female player in all of FT, she's the 2nd most accomplished player in all of FT, *regardless* of gender.
The lady is Level 170, and if *SHE* finds this badge to be one heck of a doozy to earn, imagine how hard it might be for *YOU*.
If you find yourself falling short again and again, Take another week to review your methods, as I did for my 40 082-point second attempt, and see if there isn't a faster and better way. You could always PM people who've done it before, as I also did for my second attempt, and *politely* ask what them they did to get it--it may help you out next time. If you--like Rossian--see it as a task that you just can't do, or don't have time for, that'd be perfectly understandable, as well; as Kickaha49 once told me, "There's a reason that it looks like a drop of blood."

It's just what it sounds like; an Endurance marathon of truly exhausting proportions. But, if you follow these steps well, you can make things a little easier on yourself. Maybe. Hopefully.

Good luck.

(Special thanks to Rossian, Genoveva, Alan56, Kickaha49 and Matthewpokemon for giving me permission ahead of time to use their names in this post as examples of accomplished FT players. You're all awesome. =) )


Edited by Mikey76500 (Wed Aug 01 2012 12:02 AM)

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#811892 - Tue Jul 31 2012 03:37 PM Re: The Endurance Badge from my perspective. [Re: Mikey76500]
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I'm sorry, but are you just trying to deter people from going for the badge? I don't recognise much of what you say as being necessary, particularly the requirement to start as soon as the FT day begins.

I'm not sure which part of your post was designed to make the challenge easier for people - or are you just celebrating your achievement? If you are, well, congratulations.

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#811912 - Tue Jul 31 2012 04:25 PM Re: The Endurance Badge from my perspective. [Re: dippo]
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Dippo, you're a Centurion, yourself. You already have Endurance, and you're already an experienced player, so, of course someone as experienced as yourself might not see the point. The point is to make Endurance that little bit easier for the people who are thinking about doing it or have already tried and were unlucky.

Some of those people *aren't* at Level 157, and aren't gifted at answering trivia questions, either.

This isn't the arena to to brag. I know better. I'm just showing people that aren't as experienced as Centurions that even you *don't* have to be level 1,000 to do this. Just follow a few rules, and your chances should increase. Not everyone is good enough to start their run at 5:00 AM and succeed.


Edited by Mikey76500 (Tue Jul 31 2012 11:27 PM)

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#811913 - Tue Jul 31 2012 04:30 PM Re: The Endurance Badge from my perspective. [Re: Mikey76500]
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Originally Posted By: Mikey76500
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Dippo, you're a Centurion, yourself. You already have Endurance, and you're already an experienced player, so, of course someone as experienced as yourself might not see the point.


But I wasn't when I won the badge.

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#811915 - Tue Jul 31 2012 04:42 PM Re: The Endurance Badge from my perspective. [Re: dippo]
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I disagree with Dippo on this one, I do see the point. I was a Centurion when I went for the badge, but much of what Mikey is saying does make sense. I started early in the day and just played steadily allowing myself breaks for lunch, that sort of thing. Had a bit of a rest in the afternoon, played all evening until about 1am local time, which was five hours before the day ended. I had some tips from others on the team about scoring heavily in a short space of time, which helped.

Mikey is right in that you need to be sure you have the time to devote to getting this bade, you won't get it in a couple or three hours. He is also trying to be encouraging to those at lower levels by saying you don't have to have been here for four or five years and be at a high level to get it. Anyone who puts in enough effort and scores enough points in a day can do it. If you happen to be at a low level when you start you might well find you pick up some badges and levels on the way as a sort of added bonus as well. You do however need to decide today is the day I'm going to go for it, and just be prepared to sit and play without distractions.

Good luck to anyone who reads these posts and decides to give it a go.

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#811955 - Tue Jul 31 2012 10:40 PM Re: The Endurance Badge from my perspective. [Re: Christinap]
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It was very good of you Mikey to write this with a view to inspire some of us to finally tackle this most daunting challenge. It is never very far away from my mind but I wouldn't want to be aiming for it more than once so I appreciate all the information you've given so that I can steel myself for the task at hand. I'm hoping for a very snowy day (lord knows, it could be anytime here actually!) when the kids are away and I have nothing pressing on my calendar! Thank you! And congratulations on getting the badge.

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#811958 - Tue Jul 31 2012 11:14 PM Re: The Endurance Badge from my perspective. [Re: Barbarini]
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@ Dippo: Congrats. you're living proof that it can be done below Level 100.
This post is designed to help others do the same; I'm not just typing useless junk, here. It can help.

@ Christina: I hope Dippo read your post, because you explain it even better than I did. Thank you for being so claritive.
Oh, and thanks for the positive feedback, too. =)

@ Barbarini: Anytime. I'd rather not anyone struggle with this challenge like I did on my first attempt. I learned the hard way that you can't just stroll in at 10:00 AM and expect to automatically blow everyone away. Leave it to chance as little as humanly possible; be here when the FT clock clicks over from 11:49 to have the maximum chance for success.

UPDATE! (7/31/12, 11:56 PM, FT Time)

An edit has been made; Matthewpokemon finally got around to giving me permission to use his name and experience as well; Rule 5, in particular, covers part of his experiences. Thanks, Matthew!


Edited by Mikey76500 (Wed Aug 01 2012 12:10 AM)

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#811961 - Wed Aug 01 2012 01:10 AM Re: The Endurance Badge from my perspective. [Re: Mikey76500]
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Dippo - Michael is giving some pointers based on his experience. He's young and enthusiastic - I vaguely remember the 'young' bit but I'm less sure about the 'enthusiastic' in my past.

I'm not sure I should be ranked as high in his estimation - PDAZ has more badges so definitely has a claim on being the top ranked female player.

He is right in saying that this is a badge I haven't made a serious attempt on, and am not sure that I ever will. Good luck to those who want to try and congratulations to Michael for achieving it.
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#812010 - Wed Aug 01 2012 06:37 AM Re: The Endurance Badge from my perspective. [Re: Mikey76500]
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Congrats on winning this difficult badge, Michael.
Like Dippo, I made my attempt long before I was a centurion - the main ingredients to achieving this badge are, in my opinion, commitment and stamina. I am sure that newbies on the site will find many useful strategies in your post - well done ;o)

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#812011 - Wed Aug 01 2012 06:37 AM Re: The Endurance Badge from my perspective. [Re: rossian]
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@ Rossian: Yeah, but, you have more points, and you're Level 170 to her 169, AND you're the reason I'm in a team, *AND* you're IN that team, **AND** you're a more prime example of just how difficult Endurance can be.
That's 5 out of 6. You win. :P

@ Genoveva: There *IS* one ingredient most people overlook that can help, though, and it pertains to Rule 2; what I like to call, "Doing your homework". It may *SOUND* like a childish term, but it helps *SO* much when going for marathon experiences such as Endurance.

Thank you both for your reading and for your feedback, too; If 2 of the people being referenced in it like it, that makes it official; It's not just junk. :P


Edited by Mikey76500 (Wed Aug 01 2012 06:53 AM)

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#812012 - Wed Aug 01 2012 07:11 AM Re: The Endurance Badge from my perspective. [Re: Mikey76500]
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For me, the main factor in helping me win the badge was none of the above. It was the encouragement of my team mates. They were constantly keeping track of any potential threats, letting me know how near they were, what their latest hourly scoring rate was, and generally cheering me on. Several of my UK team mates at the time also kept me company up till about 3 or 4 in the morning our time; that's what this badge is about, and I probably wouldn't have done it without their help.

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#812014 - Wed Aug 01 2012 07:27 AM Re: The Endurance Badge from my perspective. [Re: dippo]
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That's very true. Several people kept me company as well and were encouraging me along. It does help enormously to know that your team mates are out there cheering you on.

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#812017 - Wed Aug 01 2012 07:31 AM Re: The Endurance Badge from my perspective. [Re: Christinap]
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It isn't just team mates. When I won the Endurance Badge I received a lot of PMs from several people who had also amassed a lot of points that day but already had the badge. They gave me encouragement and held back so that I could go on to win it.

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#812027 - Wed Aug 01 2012 07:59 AM Re: The Endurance Badge from my perspective. [Re: bloodandsand]
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@ Dippo: Unless they looked at the leaderboards for July 30, My teammates didn't even know I was doing this.
Teamwork can help, sure, but, you **had** to have the free time to do this; It's required that you do.
...and don't say that doesn't matter, because it does. You can't just pop out 35 000 on a work-filled day, you know?

@ Christina: Just saying: I'm not disagreeing with you or Dippo on this point. Of course it would help. Definitely. but, it certainly isn't a requirement, nor is it as vitally important as the 5 points above.
Teamwork isn't *required* in an marathon race made and built for *one* person, if you catch my drift. Your teammates--as helpful and as empowering as they can be--CAN'T bring your score for the day up for you; only *you* can do that.

@ Blood: Now, you have a badge that's named after you, sometimes; "Blood Badge". :P


Edited by Mikey76500 (Wed Aug 01 2012 08:05 AM)

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#812031 - Wed Aug 01 2012 08:42 AM Re: The Endurance Badge from my perspective. [Re: Mikey76500]
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Mikey, congratulations, but please don't assume that just because you have accomplished this great task, that others have done it *your* way.

I did it before becoming a Centurian, and I did not start just after the FT reset. It was more like 4 a.m. FT time. In addition, I had no 'strategy'. I just played that day, and sometime around 1 p.m., FT time, I realized that I was ahead of everyone else. It was only then, that I *tried* for it. My teammates noticed, on their own, and started offering encouragement. One or two were even there at the end (which was nice, because my children had long since gone to bed, thinking I was crazy, so there was no one at home with whom to celebrate).

One thing to add... The 'official' Brains for the day listing is often behind. If you are going for the Endurance, it's a good idea to actually view your competitors' profiles for up-to-the-minute scores.
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#812037 - Wed Aug 01 2012 09:31 AM Re: The Endurance Badge from my perspective. [Re: postcards2go]
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Postie, the only assumptions I make are that you didn't start too late and that you had the free time to accomplish this arduous task. Those are the 2 main things that nearly all Endurance winners have in common.
You cannot just stroll in at 1 PM and expect to just run with it. You also can't just can't expect to have the busiest day ever and just run away with it, either.

I haven't even posted the way I earned my Endurance (mostly because I know I'd get negative feedback for it, but, also because I don't wanna attract negative attention from the mods and admins). I only posted what I believe are the most important things to follow when going for it. These are all rules I followed when going for my Endurance, and I truly believe that--if followed properly--it can very much increase your chances.....considering that you don't already *have* Endurance.

Please keep in mind that this topic is to make Endurance at least slightly easier for the people that *don't* have it and/or find it hard to attain.


Edited by Mikey76500 (Wed Aug 01 2012 09:37 AM)

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#812064 - Wed Aug 01 2012 10:47 AM Re: The Endurance Badge from my perspective. [Re: Mikey76500]
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My strategy was fairly straightforward.

I played every daily and hourly when available. In between, I did all the '24 hours of...' badgelets that were available at the time. When done with that, I did easy quizzes in For Children and other areas.

It gets a bit brain-busting, but it's actually not that bad. No encouragement either except for one person who spotted what I was doing. Not that I expected any. smile

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#812076 - Wed Aug 01 2012 12:27 PM Re: The Endurance Badge from my perspective. [Re: malik24]
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I don't think your level makes any difference to endurance, only Gold Membership as all the hourlies and dailies there can add 1000 or so per hour alone. I haven't tried for endurance but may when it gets dark early and rains all day, but I did go for a badgelet of goodness knows how many quizzes on a subject, and did it all in a single day and came second with about 24,000 points, but was 10,000 behind the leader. The badgelet alone plus the usual dailies I play was enough to get endurance a couple of times a week, and had I seen there was a chance of winning I'd have played the other highest scoring hourlies, word wizard etc, and that took me around 14 hours with breaks so needn't be flat out or too widely spread quiz wise.
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#812141 - Wed Aug 01 2012 04:04 PM Re: The Endurance Badge from my perspective. [Re: satguru]
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Hi all - This is my first forum post and I just wanted to say that I was very lucky on the day I won my Endurance badge in that I got it on the first try and had no serious competition. I did start early (which is what I think helps scare off challengers) and had a point goal in mind based on the winning totals from past days. Lots of checking. I echo what many have said about strategies and would encourage attempters to use the ones they are most comfy with. At the time I think I was also working on the Mission Impossible badge so I did a lot of games that contributed to that.

Lastly, I too received much encouragement from teammates and relative strangers who correctly sensed that I was going for the badge and wrote to assure me they would not pass me because they already had the badge. Since then I've had the pleasure of returning that favor to others.

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#812150 - Wed Aug 01 2012 04:49 PM Re: The Endurance Badge from my perspective. [Re: shorthumbz]
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Before I make any more replies, I just wanna state my opinion on something to the Gold Members reading this topic that *don't* have Endurance thinking that they can automatically get the normal 25,000 and get away with it.

I don't know for sure whether Centurions let people who don't have it slide through if they have a high-enough score for the day; I had 40 082 when I finished my 2nd attempt, so, I never gave any of them the chance to "not pass me". Chance was as little a factor as possible during this attempt.

Let's say that Centurions *DO* back off (again, I dunno if they do, for sure) when you're making a clear attempt at it.
The fact that you may score 22k or 25k or 27k might keep the Centurions who already *have* Endurance off your back, but, it will *NOT* keep *ALL* the diehard, ruthless, "7th attempt" players off your back. Some just don't care that you have 25 000, already. Their mission is just to beat you before you can grab that Endurance for yourself.

There's also the *NEW* members at level 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 (and maybe a little higher) who--for all you know--could very well be as smart or even *smarter* than your average Level 105 Centurion. They might like FT so much that day, that they score 25 000-30 000 points *and not even KNOW it*.

Please keep Rule 3 in mind: "Make. No. Assumptions." As long as your body and brain allow it, keep scoring. Take breaks if you need to, but, keep scoring.

Now then:

@ Malik: It depends on what strategy you use, actually; some are way, WAY, *WAAAY* more exhausting than others (I should know), but, those same strategies can allow for more points. Just gotta balance it out to your own personal tastes.

@ Satguru: You're right on that first point; The level doesn't matter diddly; it depends only on your--pardon the pun--Endurance. :P
The rest of the dailies and hourlies can certainly help. Of course. However, I still maintain that the Lord Of Obscurity hourly and the Gold Member Madness daily are not for the faint of heart, nor are they recommended by me--in my humble opinion--to use in a run unless you're already really good at answering near-impossible trivia questions. Those things are too rough.

@ Shorthumbz: Welcome; don't worry, I'm a newbie to the boards, too. :P

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#812163 - Wed Aug 01 2012 05:39 PM Re: The Endurance Badge from my perspective. [Re: Mikey76500]
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shortthumbz: that was an EXCELLENT first post ! !
(congrats on the badge too, of course lol)
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#812172 - Wed Aug 01 2012 07:12 PM Re: The Endurance Badge from my perspective. [Re: shorthumbz]
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Hi, shorthumbz. I echo Jakeroo. An excellent first post. Welcome!

Congratulations on your accomplishments smile
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#812285 - Thu Aug 02 2012 01:28 AM Re: The Endurance Badge from my perspective. [Re: postcards2go]
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There are a few non-Gold Members who have the Badge one of the most recent was Alan56, who himself was surprised that just with hourly games and daily games he was able eventually to achieve this feat, but it shows it can be done, although he does admit a couple who already had the badge stopped scoring that day to let him achieve it and this shows the sportsmanship that is about on this site.
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#812319 - Thu Aug 02 2012 06:55 AM Re: The Endurance Badge from my perspective. [Re: Mikey76500]
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Originally Posted By: Mikey76500
I don't know for sure whether Centurions let people who don't have it slide through if they have a high-enough score for the day


It would obviously depend on who it is. There is no rule that says they have to and there is no rule that says they can't. The "centurion" thing doesn't matter. I haven't scored over 5,000 points in a day for at least a month, yet I am not only a centurion, but over level 120. Many people score more than 5,000 a day, and they aren't over level 100 (at least not yet).

I very, very rarely look at the top scores unless I am going for Endurance or the Three Keys badge. If I was beating someone who was going for Endurance that day, I would not know it unless they sent me a message (and sometimes it doesn't show when I do get mail).


Originally Posted By: Mikey76500
@ Satguru: You're right on that first point; The level doesn't matter diddly; it depends only on your--pardon the pun--Endurance. :P
The rest of the dailies and hourlies can certainly help. Of course. However, I still maintain that the Lord Of Obscurity hourly and the Gold Member Madness daily are not for the faint of heart, nor are they recommended by me--in my humble opinion--to use in a run unless you're already really good at answering near-impossible trivia questions. Those things are too rough.


In Obscurity, you can get 200 points for 5 correct. With Google (which is not only allowed but encouraged in Obscurity), that is easy, especially with the obscure lyrics that often come up. I didn't use it when I was going for Endurance, but it would have helped.
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#812431 - Thu Aug 02 2012 03:44 PM Re: The Endurance Badge from my perspective. [Re: AdamM7]
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I'm aware of the "200 points for 5 right" bonus in Obscurity. That's still not worth the Googling required.

However, I already know beyond a shadow of a doubt that for Endurance purposes, there are much better, much faster and much more effective ways to earn points than to go goofing around with questions that--WAAAY more often than not--go over, around, by, and through my head.

Only the truly gifted should be goofing around with Obscurity, anyway; all the Googling in the world won't prevent the massive time penalties you can rack up. Just saying.

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#812438 - Thu Aug 02 2012 04:33 PM Re: The Endurance Badge from my perspective. [Re: Mikey76500]
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You're not trying to win on Obscurity, just get the 200 points - doesn't matter if you get time penalties, though googling shouldn't take that long, because you're not trying to do well in the game, just get five right. Get ten of those in a day and that's 2000 points in much less time than other games. And actually in Obscurity you might manage that with random clicking. Having said that, it's not such a good bargain as it used to be now that quiz questions are worth 15 points each. When I did Endurance, 10/10 would only get you 100 pts so amassing points was much more difficult. 31,000 would have got Endurance yesterday, which with the new point system isn't much at all.

I'm not sure why people make so much fuss about Endurance. It's really not that difficult, and it doesn't take a whole day or anything like it. I didn't start until mid/late afternoon UK time, and while that's nearer the start of the FT day than some would be, it also means the end of the day is closer in real time. I did mine in spurts of an hour/hour and a half with time out for eating and, well, life. I was clear of most people and relatively safe when I saw Triviaballer moving up the points - and if you don't know who that is, I'll just say he could rack up points faster than the server can record them. I had to stay up an extra hour to stare him down across a duelling Instaquiz but my need was greater than his and he gave up in the end, lol.

I'm not quite sure why you won't say how you scored the points and why the mods would care if you did. Endurance is not like the Riddle or Conundrum or even the Treasure, there's no downside to sharing information. I did Brainteasers, other people do For Children, and I assume there are different areas where some people do better than others. It makes no difference - people should find something they find quick and easy, and do it in chunks, with a few games and other things thrown in for variety.

Shorthumbz mentioned what is the most difficult badge as far as I'm concerned, Mission Impossible. Not only do you have to find the quizzes, when you take them you realise there's a reason they're called Impossible or Obscure, and that's because they're not just impossible and obscure but also, in many cases, mind-numbingly awful. The problem is you only realise that when you're halfway through and it would be too much of a waste to stop!
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#812439 - Thu Aug 02 2012 04:39 PM Re: The Endurance Badge from my perspective. [Re: Mikey76500]
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I won Endurance this past month, with 52,000+ points. I did not start as soon as the day started, and I did not stop as soon as the day ended. I think I played for 16 hours. Started playing at 6am FTT and stopped at 10pm FTT. I took breaks for meals as well. It is certainly not necessary to play for the full 24 hours to be on top. There were a few things that helped me get to the 52,000 points that won me the badge (and could have stopped way before this total, but had ample time, so I continued playing). I think I finished almost 30,000+ points ahead of 2nd place.

Tips:

Badglets: I would suggest are to play quizzes that earn you badglets in the process because in addition to the quiz points you also get points with each badglet you earn. I played quizzes that earned me 15 badglets the day I won endurance, which added about 10,000 points to my quiz points, in badglet bonuses alone.

Difficulty: Playing quizzes with higher difficulty ratings often earns the player a small number of bonus points at completion. The higher the difficulty, the more bonus points there are for playing. So playing Tough, Difficult, Very Difficult, and Impossible quizzes, while harder to get questions correct, gives you free points (even though only 10-30)!

Hourly Games: Playing hourly games awards bonus points, and earn earn even a small amount of points when you get few questions correct. The more you play, the more chances you have to earn points. It takes less than 15 minutes to play all the hourly games each hour, which leaves at least 45 mins left for quiz playing while you wait for the next games to start.

Knowledge: Play quizzes in categories you are knowledgeable about, because this means less time researching answers, and more time scoring points. If you know a category well, it shouldn't be too difficult to score well on the harder quizzes, see above for that.

Research: If there's a quiz on a topic you don't know as well, googling keywords to help you figure out or better guess answers will help you get more questions correct, scoring you more points. FunTrivia does not forbid researching for answers, and it's the best way to learn more about subject, which is a big benefit of playing quizzes!

Questions: If you don't want to play hundreds and hundreds of quizzes in a day, you can cut down on the number of quizzes by playing quizzes with more questions. While the correct answers earn you the same number of points no matter the quiz length, you can play less quizzes for the same number of points. For example: 20 25q quizzes, instead 50 10q quizzes.

I think that's the best advise I can give. I learned so much going for Endurance, and while I will never play that much in a day ever again, it was definitely worth it at the end of that day.

Edited to include more correct information provided by Mikey76500.


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#812470 - Thu Aug 02 2012 07:37 PM Re: The Endurance Badge from my perspective. [Re: flopsymopsy]
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@ Flopsy: The reason it's regarded as difficult is because it has the potential to be exhausting as heck; I can testify to that.

I can't really imagine what would and wouldn't get the negative attention of a Mod or Admin, since I'm not one, I'm just playing it safe. I don't even wanna give the mods a chance to be mad. As you mentioned, there are rules against revealing the paths to certain Badges. I dunno whether Endurance is one of them, but, you won't catch me taking that chance.

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@ Kaddarsgirl: Your 52 265 point attempt (Which is the highlight of a page in the Hall Of Fame) was what pushed me to finally attempt Endurance in the 1st place, actually, so, thank you. You're basically the reason this topic exists. =)

However, I can tell you beyond a shadow of a doubt that there your Difficulty point is a tad bit wrong; it only gives you a bonus--which is only 10-30 additional points, anyhoo--if you get a certain percentage right on a quiz that is rated at least "Tough". I'm not entirely sure what that percentage is, but, if you get a 0 or even a 1/5 or even a 2/10, you DON'T get any difficulty bonuses.

Unless I'm mistaken, the Quizzes are rated as such, difficulty-wise; "Very Easy", "Easy", "Average", "Tough", "Difficult", "Very Difficult" and "Impossible", with "Impossible" being the hardest, of course.

Doing any quizzes rated higher than "Difficult" without the proper knowledge beforehand may not get you a bonus at all, and may slow you down. Just saying. Play those at your own risk.

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#812473 - Thu Aug 02 2012 08:02 PM Re: The Endurance Badge from my perspective. [Re: Mikey76500]
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Originally Posted By: Mikey76500

However, I can tell you beyond a shadow of a doubt that there your Difficulty point is a tad bit wrong; it only gives you a bonus--which is only 10-30 additional points, anyhoo--if you get a certain percentage right on a quiz that is rated at least "Tough". I'm not entirely sure what that percentage is, but, if you get a 0 or even a 1/5 or even a 2/10, you DON'T get any difficulty bonuses.

Unless I'm mistaken, the Quizzes are rated as such, difficulty-wise; "Very Easy", "Easy", "Average", "Tough", "Difficult", "Very Difficult" and "Impossible", with "Impossible" being the hardest, of course.

Doing any quizzes rated higher than "Difficult" without the proper knowledge beforehand may not get you a bonus at all, and may slow you down. Just saying. Play those at your own risk.


Good to know. I scored pretty well on the quizzes I played that day, so I got the bonus points for the quizzes I played. It's only a few, but it's something more than just playing a quiz. And your difficulty list is correct. I'm very honored you went for Endurance because of me. That makes me feel really good, thank you smile Oh and I am 21 as well, so yay for young people!


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#812555 - Fri Aug 03 2012 05:33 AM Re: The Endurance Badge from my perspective. [Re: Mikey76500]
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Originally Posted By: Mikey76500
I'm aware of the "200 points for 5 right" bonus in Obscurity. That's still not worth the Googling required.


Bear in mind that you should be able to guess 5 correct. While the number of correct guesses you should get decreases with the number you research/know, you should almost definitely be safe with looking up 3 answers.

I just got 8 correct in 62 seconds. I don't think that is above average at all. The ones that I couldn't Google, or couldn't Google quickly, I missed out. Getting over 200 points in 62 seconds is not a waste of time - it's over 3 points per second. That's like getting 10/10 in a normal quiz in 46.5 seconds, and I can't do that on some of the easier quizzes, especially FITB ones.
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#812558 - Fri Aug 03 2012 05:49 AM Re: The Endurance Badge from my perspective. [Re: AdamM7]
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Perhaps it'd be an achievement under normal standards, but, this isn't gonna matter in an Endurance attempt when there are literally HUNDREDS of different strategies that make even TOUCHING the Obscurity hourly completely obsolete.

It's not needed, nor recommended during an Endurance attempt. In the time that the Obscurity hour takes to switch over, you could score a good 3 000-5 000 points doing other, more enjoyable and more fruitful things that score more points. It's not worth it; research kinda yelled that in my face.

Getting the top score in my division of Piece Of Cake or the Mixed Trivia hourlies can get me up to 300 points or even more all by itself, and it isn't all that hard to get 10 easy questions in under 40 seconds; the hard part is beating people who can do it in HALF that time, but, that's why practice exists. =)

I did my homework properly before I went for Endurance; Googling too much on over-difficult stuff like the Obscurity hourly will only jerk you around in the long run.


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#812560 - Fri Aug 03 2012 06:29 AM Re: The Endurance Badge from my perspective. [Re: Mikey76500]
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Originally Posted By: Mikey76500

It's not needed, nor recommended during an Endurance attempt. In the time that the Obscurity hour takes to switch over, you could score a good 3 000-5 000 points doing other, more enjoyable and more fruitful things that score more points.


It's not recommended by you. Some of us think it's a perfectly good way to score 2000 or more points in a day's play. It takes no time to "switch over" because you play then click on to something else, no one waits for anything. And if you can get 5000 points in the time it takes me to click on a link in my toolbar then you have to explain how you do it.

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Getting the top score in my division of Piece Of Cake or the Mixed Trivia hourlies can get me up to 300 points or even more all by itself, and it isn't all that hard to get 10 easy questions in under 40 seconds; the hard part is beating people who can do it in HALF that time, but, that's why practice exists.


So? No one is saying you should do Obscurity instead of another hourly, only that it's easy to do it as well.

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I did my homework properly before I went for Endurance; Googling too much on over-difficult stuff like the Obscurity hourly will only jerk you around in the long run.


I repeat, if you're doing Obscurity to get Endurance points there's no need to google at all because you're not trying to win the game, just get five right. A quick read through the questions, two or three considered answers, and random clicking for the rest should do that.
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#812563 - Fri Aug 03 2012 07:12 AM Re: The Endurance Badge from my perspective. [Re: flopsymopsy]
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Originally Posted By: flopsymopsy
It's not recommended by you. Some of us think it's a perfectly good way to score 2000 or more points in a day's play. It takes no time to "switch over" because you play then click on to something else, no one waits for anything. And if you can get 5000 points in the time it takes me to click on a link in my toolbar then you have to explain how you do it.


Exactly.

And Mikey, who are you to say which games are more enjoyable than others? Do I find 10 completely easy questions (PoC) more fun than 15 very difficult questions (Obscurity)? No, and others might not either.
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#812564 - Fri Aug 03 2012 07:20 AM Re: The Endurance Badge from my perspective. [Re: Mikey76500]
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Well done Mikey smile I think that apart from the drop of blood on that badge, there should also be sweat and tears. It took me a straight 25 hours of sitting with no break ..... never ever again in a million years! smile
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#812584 - Fri Aug 03 2012 09:27 AM Re: The Endurance Badge from my perspective. [Re: playmate1111]
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@ Flopsy: As I said in the opening post, only the truly gifted should be anywhere near Obscurity to begin with. Even if you get the measly 5 right, the time it took to google it all isn't worth it.

Let's say you got the 200 point bonus in all of the 24 Obscurities that take place in an entire Endurance attempt. That'd be 4,800 points for googling the correct answers to 120 over-difficult questions in 24 hours.

You can score over 5,000 in *ONE* hour doing quizzes that you DON'T have to Google up. I'm just saying that anything that you need to Google over isn't worth it in a challenge, like Endurance, where time is money--er, points.

There's been multiple times, back when I was originally gifted my Gold Membership (anonymously) where I had to make "educated guesses" on *all 15* Obscurity questions and got only 1 or 2. It's simply not worth it unless you know what you're dealing with, especially when it comes to Endurance.

In my humble opinion, you might as well just stick to Who's The Expert? or Word Wizard; Those are all 15 questions, too, only you'll have an easier and more tolerable time with those, especially during something that *already* is as potentially exhausting as Endurance.

By the by, I meant 5,000 points during an Obscurity shift (one hour).
Though, I wouldn't be surprised if there IS some sorta extremely hidden way to rack up 5,000 points in 60 seconds. I'll let you know if there is such a way.

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@ Adam: By the same token, not everyone is gonna like a game as mind-numbingly difficult as Obscurity.

Some people actually LIKE easy stuff; others--like me--favor medium-to-*slightly* difficult trivia questions. Obscurity in general is too difficult for anyone but only the most expert Googlers and the TRUEST trivia savants.

Go near it during an Endurance attempt at your own peril.

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#812603 - Fri Aug 03 2012 10:09 AM Re: The Endurance Badge from my perspective. [Re: Mikey76500]
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I've just done Obscurity for the first time in ages - 10/15 without googling. 201 bonus points and 200 Obscurity bonus = 401 pts in less than 90 seconds. If I did that ten times in a day that's 4000+ points in 15 minutes.
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#812605 - Fri Aug 03 2012 10:10 AM Re: The Endurance Badge from my perspective. [Re: Mikey76500]
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Even if you get the measly 5 right, the time it took to google it all isn't worth it.



You just don't get it... not everyone *needs* to Google, in order to get the 'measly' 5 correct.

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It seems that many of us are daredevils, then.
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#812617 - Fri Aug 03 2012 10:21 AM Re: The Endurance Badge from my perspective. [Re: postcards2go]
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Salami has just done his usual trick of getting 5 correct in 5 seconds. I've got a sneaky suspicion he didn't google. wink
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#812618 - Fri Aug 03 2012 10:26 AM Re: The Endurance Badge from my perspective. [Re: Mikey76500]
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Originally Posted By: Mikey76500
Obscurity in general is too difficult for anyone but only the most expert Googlers and the TRUEST trivia savants.


@ Flopsy and Postie: That fits you 2 under the latter category, then (True trivia savant).

Argument over. =)


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#812642 - Fri Aug 03 2012 11:30 AM Re: The Endurance Badge from my perspective. [Re: Mikey76500]
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Mikey, I'm an admin.

Unless you were violating the site rules during your drive for Endurance, there's nothing you could reveal that would get you in trouble. This isn't a "trick" badge, where the point is figuring out clues or finding hidden quizzes.

While those attempting to get the badge may find your experience and advice useful, please remember that you are describing *A* way to win the badge, not *THE* way. There's no need for any argument - other players' experiences are as valid as yours.

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#812644 - Fri Aug 03 2012 12:18 PM Re: The Endurance Badge from my perspective. [Re: Mikey76500]
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Originally Posted By: Mikey76500
@ Flopsy: As I said in the opening post, only the truly gifted should be anywhere near Obscurity to begin with. Even if you get the measly 5 right, the time it took to google it all isn't worth it.


So 62 seconds is not worth 200 points?

Originally Posted By: Mikey76500
Let's say you got the 200 point bonus in all of the 24 Obscurities that take place in an entire Endurance attempt. That'd be 4,800 points for googling the correct answers to 120 over-difficult questions in 24 hours.

You can score over 5,000 in *ONE* hour doing quizzes that you DON'T have to Google up. I'm just saying that anything that you need to Google over isn't worth it in a challenge, like Endurance, where time is money--er, points.


Let's say I take 2 minutes to complete 1 game of Obscurity (that is more than I usually take, but oh well). That means that I spend 48 minutes and get 4,800 points + any I get extra. I would probably get 10 extra per game, so that's a total of 5,040 points. I spend 12 minutes less and get 40 points extra. No downside whatsoever.

Originally Posted By: Mikey76500
There's been multiple times, back when I was originally gifted my Gold Membership (anonymously) where I had to make "educated guesses" on *all 15* Obscurity questions and got only 1 or 2. It's simply not worth it unless you know what you're dealing with, especially when it comes to Endurance.


You were clearly very unlucky. On average, you should be guessing 3.75 correct.

Originally Posted By: Mikey76500
@ Adam: By the same token, not everyone is gonna like a game as mind-numbingly difficult as Obscurity.

Some people actually LIKE easy stuff; others--like me--favor medium-to-*slightly* difficult trivia questions.


I understand that some people like easy stuff, but you clearly didn't understand that some people like harder stuff. You said
Originally Posted By: Mikey76500
more enjoyable ... things
. That is your opinion, and I was saying that I personally find harder questions more interesting (of course it depends on how interesting the actual facts in both questions are).


Originally Posted By: Mikey76500
Obscurity in general is too difficult for anyone but only the most expert Googlers and the TRUEST trivia savants.


3 people apart from you have added to the Obscurity discussion (me, flopsy and postcards). All 3 of those people have said that they can easily get 5 right in at least most games. I am certainly not an "expert Googler" or a "TRUEST trivia savant". I don't mean to insult flopsy or postcards, but there are better players than them.

If you cannot Google these questions fast enough, then I think you are the odd one out. Assuming you already had a Google tab open, how long would it take you to highlight a line of lyrics, press "Ctrl C", click on the Google tab and press "Ctrl V" and then enter? 5 seconds max, I would think.
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#812645 - Fri Aug 03 2012 12:38 PM Re: The Endurance Badge from my perspective. [Re: AdamM7]
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When I went for the endurance badge, although I had some strategies in mind, basically I just 'went for it'. I managed well over 100,000 points, with several hours left in the bag if I had felt like carrying on. Effectively, I set myself a target of 5,000 points an hour, which generally I exceeded. Personally, whatever tactics you employ, the key point is in the name of the badge. i.e. Endurance.
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#812646 - Fri Aug 03 2012 12:41 PM Re: The Endurance Badge from my perspective. [Re: AdamM7]
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Not insulted, Adam. You echo my daily thoughts laugh
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#812647 - Fri Aug 03 2012 12:43 PM Re: The Endurance Badge from my perspective. [Re: AdamM7]
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Originally Posted By: AdamM7
I don't mean to insult flopsy or postcards, but there are better players than them.


Better than postie? shocked

LOL, no offence taken... though on a good day, with a following wind, and rabbit ears tied back I might do anything. wink
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#812648 - Fri Aug 03 2012 01:22 PM Re: The Endurance Badge from my perspective. [Re: surdoux]
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When I went for the endurance badge, although I had some strategies in mind, basically I just 'went for it'. I managed well over 100,000 points, with several hours left in the bag if I had felt like carrying on. Effectively, I set myself a target of 5,000 points an hour, which generally I exceeded. Personally, whatever tactics you employ, the key point is in the name of the badge. i.e. Endurance.


I remember it Brian well. Brian, Jax and I stayed up til past midnight, cheering you on.

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#812655 - Fri Aug 03 2012 01:45 PM Re: The Endurance Badge from my perspective. [Re: Jennings]
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It was the support I had from all of my team members that kept me going.
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#812657 - Fri Aug 03 2012 02:05 PM Re: The Endurance Badge from my perspective. [Re: surdoux]
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#812666 - Fri Aug 03 2012 05:22 PM Re: The Endurance Badge from my perspective. [Re: SilverMoonsong]
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@ Agony: BRILLIANT name. No joke.

Anyhoo, I didn't break any rules during the Endurance run; I'm already on borrowed time from Terry himself for a rule I accidentally broke (Having both Mikey76500 and Michael76500--2 accounts. The Michael one has been deleted). The LAST thing I need is getting HIS attention AGAIN.

And I never said that my word was gospel or that my way was the only way; nor have I ever insulted anyone. Heck, I just COMPLIMENTED Flopsy and Postcards.

This topic, which was made to help make Endurance slightly easier for those that don't have it, seems to have started to degenerate into a free-for-all attack on my opinion, which makes no sense. If I wanna have the opinion that Obscurity isn't worth it during an Endurance attempt, I do believe I have the right to have that opinion. I'm not attacking anyone else's opinion, here. Think what you want to and do what you want to during your OWN Endurance attempt; just do so at your own risk.

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@ Adam: I notice how you keep quoting things I say as if I said something extraordinarily stupid like, "My way was better than yours", or "If you can't get 40,000 like I did, you suck", or "My word is gospel".

The original post was good advice forming a humble opinion from a 21-year-old kid based on research and careful planning. If you hate it THAT much, don't follow it. If you think it's that wrong, you could always make your own topic like this. It's not required that my opinion be the same as yours, nor is it required that I agree that your opinion is better than mine. If you don't like my opinion, just ignore this topic. You have better things to do today than to try to cram your opinion down my throat.

You have your opinion, and I have mine. I got 40 082 points WITHOUT the mind-numbness that is the Obscurity hourly, and I got Endurance to boot. Trying to cram Obscurity into my subconscious is a waste of both my time and yours. Please stop.

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@ Surdoux: I'm not saying that just "going for it" is a bad thing, but, I just thought that there's a chance to have better results if you have a plan in mind beforehand.

"fail to prepare, prepare to fail".

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#812697 - Fri Aug 03 2012 10:21 PM Re: The Endurance Badge from my perspective. [Re: surdoux]
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Originally Posted By: surdoux
When I went for the endurance badge, although I had some strategies in mind, basically I just 'went for it'. I managed well over 100,000 points, with several hours left in the bag if I had felt like carrying on. Effectively, I set myself a target of 5,000 points an hour, which generally I exceeded. Personally, whatever tactics you employ, the key point is in the name of the badge. i.e. Endurance.


100,000 is so incredible! I thought I had a lot at 50,000, but wow!



Just as a general thing: I didn't use Obscurity to get extra points for Endurance. I had no idea until reading these posts that there was a 200pt bonus for getting 5 correct. But, if I'd known, I probably would have played that game too. I'm generally a pretty good guesser.
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#812701 - Sat Aug 04 2012 12:02 AM Re: The Endurance Badge from my perspective. [Re: surdoux]
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The Girls in their Cheerleading outfits helped as well Brian, well it did me when I got mine
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#812721 - Sat Aug 04 2012 01:20 AM Re: The Endurance Badge from my perspective. [Re: Mikey76500]
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Originally Posted By: Mikey76500
This topic, which was made to help make Endurance slightly easier for those that don't have it, seems to have started to degenerate into a free-for-all attack on my opinion, which makes no sense. If I wanna have the opinion that Obscurity isn't worth it during an Endurance attempt, I do believe I have the right to have that opinion. I'm not attacking anyone else's opinion, here. Think what you want to and do what you want to during your OWN Endurance attempt; just do so at your own risk.


I didn't see it as a "free-for-all attack on [your] opinion". I was stating my opinion, and other people stated theirs, including some people who posted things that had nothing to do with Obscurity. According to SilverMoonsong, an admin and a moderator were/are watching this, and they haven't told us to stop.


Originally Posted By: Mikey76500
@ Adam: I notice how you keep quoting things I say as if I said something extraordinarily stupid like, "My way was better than yours", or "If you can't get 40,000 like I did, you suck", or "My word is gospel".

The original post was good advice forming a humble opinion from a 21-year-old kid based on research and careful planning. If you hate it THAT much, don't follow it. If you think it's that wrong, you could always make your own topic like this. It's not required that my opinion be the same as yours, nor is it required that I agree that your opinion is better than mine. If you don't like my opinion, just ignore this topic. You have better things to do today than to try to cram your opinion down my throat.

You have your opinion, and I have mine. I got 40 082 points WITHOUT the mind-numbness that is the Obscurity hourly, and I got Endurance to boot. Trying to cram Obscurity into my subconscious is a waste of both my time and yours. Please stop.


Okay. I think we've reached a stalemate here. I never meant to "cram Obscurity into [your] subconscious", but if it sounded like I was, I apologise.

I think the original problem came for your tone (or what I thought was your tone). It sounded to me like you were saying that there has been multiple discussions with all the experts about whether Obscurity was a valid or invalid way of earning points during an Endurance attempt. Maybe if you hadn't used words like "research" and "recommended", and had put "opinion" somewhere, then this problem wouldn't have occured (that, of course, is just my opinion - other people may have read it differently, but I'm just trying to stop this from happening again since it's clear that you didn't like it).

And by the way, I have Endurance too. I might not have gotten as many points in the attempt (I think it was in the 30Ks), but I still have my own ideas.


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#812851 - Sat Aug 04 2012 01:20 PM Re: The Endurance Badge from my perspective. [Re: AdamM7]
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I've just though of another tip for a few extra points.

Rating: Always rate quizzes you play when you're done. In addition to adding to your total quizzes rate which can earn you a full badge "Quiz Rater", rating quizzes gives you an additional 20 bonus points per quiz. I believe you have to score at least 2 correct to rate a quiz, but googling should be enough to get to correct if it's on a subject you're not familiar with. Every little bit helps.
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#812852 - Sat Aug 04 2012 01:37 PM Re: The Endurance Badge from my perspective. [Re: AdamM7]
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I would love to get the Endurance Badge and the idea of setting down one time to do it is a really good idea - thanks guys.
I find that in games like Piece of Cake if I do them often enough I start getting the easiest questions wrong which is embarrassing for me but I find that I can often get from five to seven right in the Obscurity - which is strange to me but possibly makes sense, and YES I find it frustrating that people can do PoC in twenty seconds I dont believe my computer can go that fast but oh well more power to others that can - well will set myself a day ok Take Care
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#812853 - Sat Aug 04 2012 01:42 PM Re: The Endurance Badge from my perspective. [Re: postcards2go]
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#812856 - Sat Aug 04 2012 01:55 PM Re: The Endurance Badge from my perspective. [Re: underscored]
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Originally Posted By: underscored
OUCH


I had more than one comment. To which are you referring?
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#812868 - Sat Aug 04 2012 04:49 PM Re: The Endurance Badge from my perspective. [Re: postcards2go]
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@ Adam: Actually, I DID have a discussion with 2 randomly-picked Gold Members in particular about all the gold-only sections and about how hard they generally are back when I was originally gifted my Gold Membership back in July. It's just as better that they WEREN'T Centurions, now that I think about it, because I got their answer from a point of view like my original post: someone who ISN'T yet a hyper-gifted role model for the rest of us.

They might not have been experts, but, that doesn't mean that I can't take their advice, put it together with mine, and come to a sensible conclusion--not about Obscurity in GENERAL, but, about it's importance (or lack thereof) in an Endurance attempt. Again, you can always ignore my comments if you don't like the way *I* do *my* homework. However, the time where you senselessly have an pointless argument with me about a gold-member-only section of the site with insanely difficult questions that has no mandatory requirement to be included in neither an Endurance attempt nor my opinions needs to stop. Seriously.

Unless of course, you *WANT* the negative attention of people like SilverMoon, Agony and--worst of all--Terry, himself (Who I've already had a close encounter with).

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@ Kaddarsgirl: This is why I say that doing "Very Difficult" and "Impossible" quizzes--difficulty-wise--can hurt you instead of help you during an Endurance attempt. Unless, of course, you know a LOT about that quiz's subject.

And even then, you can certainly still be surprised. :P


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#812931 - Sat Aug 04 2012 08:52 PM Re: The Endurance Badge from my perspective. [Re: Mikey76500]
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Originally Posted By: Mikey76500
@ Kaddarsgirl: This is why I say that doing "Very Difficult" and "Impossible" quizzes--difficulty-wise--can hurt you instead of help you during an Endurance attempt. Unless, of course, you know a LOT about that quiz's subject.

And even then, you can certainly still be surprised. :P


Not sure what comment you're referring to with this. If it's the rating comment, I'm not sure why you're bringing it up. Rating for additional points would apply to any quiz difficulty. It's whether you rate or not, not whether you rate a quiz that is more difficult than another. If you're referring to something else, please explain further, as your comment is a little unclear.
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#812939 - Sat Aug 04 2012 09:41 PM Re: The Endurance Badge from my perspective. [Re: kaddarsgirl]
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Originally Posted By: kaddarsgirl
Not sure what comment you're referring to with this. If it's the rating comment, I'm not sure why you're bringing it up. Rating for additional points would apply to any quiz difficulty. It's whether you rate or not, not whether you rate a quiz that is more difficult than another. If you're referring to something else, please explain further, as your comment is a little unclear.


What he means is that you have more of a chance to get 2/10 or higher on an easier quiz. For difficult quizzes, you may get a lower score, thus losing the chance to rate. Therefore, there is a risk in playing more difficult quizzes when you are trying to get many points quickly. At least, that's how I understood it.
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#812961 - Sat Aug 04 2012 11:13 PM Re: The Endurance Badge from my perspective. [Re: Mariamir]
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With regard the the Endurance badge, the clue is in the name of the badge. To get this badge doesn't require the player to achieve maximum scores, nor to have any knowledge of the subject matter of the quiz.

It matters not whether the quiz be 'very difficult' or 'impossible', any points towards the ultimate goal are more than welcome in my humble opinion. No need to agonize over each question in the more difficult quizzes or 'google'.

When I got the Endurance badge, I think I was 'quizzing' for about 16 hours, but not constantly. I had time to cook and eat meals etc...I most certainly wasn't a 'Centurian', this didn't even exist when I got my badge!

I played Obscurity and the more difficult quizzes during my attempt. I don't think these quizzes can 'hurt' or thwart ones efforts, unless you take a long time to do the quizzes by researching answers! No need for research and googling, if you don't know the answer, 'click and go' smile

Each person has their own method for achieving this badge. The main ingredient for success, as far as I am concerned, is setting aside sufficient time, after all you wouldn't attempt to run a marathon in 1.5 hours smile

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#812964 - Sun Aug 05 2012 12:00 AM Re: The Endurance Badge from my perspective. [Re: demurechicky]
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@ Kaddarsgirl: What Mariamir said. Sorry. =)

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@ Mariamir: Lovely name. You were 100% on target, by the by; Thanks for clarifying for me. It's appreciated. =D

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@ Demure: Forgive me, but, I beg to differ.

Very Difficult and Impossible-difficulty Quizzes are almost always just that; Very difficult and/or impossible to get a decent percentage right on. Again, there's no difficulty bonus if you don't get a decent percentage right, and if you get 1 or 2, the 15 or 30 points you get aren't worth it, Endurance-wise.

Normally, the difficulty matters not, I know. However, during an Endurance attempt, time is mone--uh, Points. Wasted time = wasted points; You'd have been better off doing a "Very Easy" quiz, in this instance.

Oh, and it may very well require you to get the maximum points; You never know what kinda day you'll have when doing an Endurance attempt.

Take me, for example: I decided to go for Endurance on July 30; a Monday. I thought that it'd be a slow day; I checked the Hall Of Fame, and some of the lower scores that Kickaha49 had made recently are on Mondays. Heck, the high score for the Monday before my attempt--July 23--was about 21 000, so, I assumed I wouldn't have to work too hard if I went for it on July 30. Bad idea.

I was at 22 000 when I noticed at around 1:00 PM (FT time), that a new member was climbing up the ranks almost as fast as I did. When I checked, he had 18 500, and since there was another 10.5 hours in the day, I had to assume the worst--he could definitely catch me.

So, I went for 30 000, but, the 2nd place player broke 23 000 and was still climbing, so, I had to go for 35 000. Then, when I got there, I just said "To heck with it", and went for 40 000 in case anyone *else* had any ideas.

I never said that you had to quiz for all 24 hours. In fact, the original post even states that taking occasional breaks is okay. But, the reason that I say that you should make no assumptions is because, for all you know, on the day that you decide to go for Endurance, there could be a Mikey76500 or a Kaddarsgirl or even a Surdoux waiting in the wings to implement a strategy of their own that will allow them to do as well as I (or they) did.

If Kaddarsgirl can score 52 265 in one day.....No--if *Surdoux* can score over *100 000* points in one day, someone else certainly can, too.

Don't make assumptions. Leave as little to chance as possible.

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#812970 - Sun Aug 05 2012 01:43 AM Re: The Endurance Badge from my perspective. [Re: Mikey76500]
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Mikey, we shall have to agree to disagree on that. You can easily score 5/10 on a difficult quiz without knowing the subject matter, in a matter of seconds!

As I said, everyone has their own way of playing the endurance badge. No points can be classed as 'wasted' during the endurance challenge. Each day is different with regard to high scores, you adopt your strategy and take your chance.

If at first you don't succeed, try try again...it's not rocket science smile

I was merely commenting that when I did the endurance badge, I quizzed for about 16 hours, I never mentioned that you had to quiz for 24 hours.

It's not a difficult badge to get, hence why over a thousand players have the badge. You just need time, committment and perseverance.

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#812971 - Sun Aug 05 2012 01:49 AM Re: The Endurance Badge from my perspective. [Re: Mikey76500]
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Originally Posted By: Mikey76500
@ Adam: Actually, I DID have a discussion with 2 randomly-picked Gold Members in particular about all the gold-only sections and about how hard they generally are back when I was originally gifted my Gold Membership back in July. It's just as better that they WEREN'T Centurions, now that I think about it, because I got their answer from a point of view like my original post: someone who ISN'T yet a hyper-gifted role model for the rest of us.

They might not have been experts, but, that doesn't mean that I can't take their advice, put it together with mine, and come to a sensible conclusion--not about Obscurity in GENERAL, but, about it's importance (or lack thereof) in an Endurance attempt. Again, you can always ignore my comments if you don't like the way *I* do *my* homework. However, the time where you senselessly have an pointless argument with me about a gold-member-only section of the site with insanely difficult questions that has no mandatory requirement to be included in neither an Endurance attempt nor my opinions needs to stop. Seriously.

Unless of course, you *WANT* the negative attention of people like SilverMoon, Agony and--worst of all--Terry, himself (Who I've already had a close encounter with).


Forgive me if I'm wrong, but you never told me what those random gold members said. You came to a conclusion, but you never said that it was only your conclusion, and that other people might feel differently about it (until later). I was simply trying to do the same thing as you - help people get Endurance by pointing out ways to get points, with Obscurity being the way to get points.

I didn't see the argument as senseless, and neither did other people, or they wouldn't have joined in (or would have told us to stop). You can come up with your own ideas, opinions and comments, but you never said that they were just your ideas, opinions and comments - as I said in my previous post, you didn't say "opinion", and used vocabulary that implied that you were right and that no-one could possibly prove that Obscurity was worthwhile. A couple of posts ago, you said that "[you] notice how [I] keep quoting things [you] say as if [you] said something extraordinarily stupid". I was copying the words you said and responding to them. Maybe you did say something extraordinarily stupid, but I was not putting words in your mouth - I was picking the phrases I wanted to respond about because those were the ones I had an issue with.

I'm not sure if you're threatening me with talking about SilverMoon etc., but Terry has not posted in this thread, Agony has not told us to stop and SilverMoon only gave us advice to continue arguing in a civil way. In any case, you are part of this argument just as much as me, and if you have attracted the attention of Terry before then I think we know who would get the most attention if this argument was considered uncivil.

I apologise to anyone who's tired of us arguing. I've tried to stop, I even apologised (and I am very stubborn), but I never could let anyone else get the last word.
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#812973 - Sun Aug 05 2012 02:32 AM Re: The Endurance Badge from my perspective. [Re: AdamM7]
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Alrighty then, this thread is closed.
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