http://www.funtrivia.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/829608/3

There's a link for people who use 30 posts/page settings...although the discussion wasn't exactly about a cumulative stats list there was a mention of it somewhere in there...

This is the "bugs and questions" thread, not the "discuss whether this post is in the correct place in this thread" thread.

The challenge ideas thread is for exactly that: ideas for new daily challenges. Not for general improvements to the system. Terry needs that thread easily legible and to the point when it comes to adding new challenges.

The bugs thread is primarily for reporting issues: any problems you may have with the daily challenges, whether they are caused by the system or simply something you don't understand.

Requesting a feature for the game is not really either of these two and would thus ideally be placed in a new thread although it is okay here especially if it's something quick and easily described.

Discussing whether a post is appropriate on this thread is however clearly not an appropriate discussion for this thread. If a post is inappropriate, a moderator, administrator or, in a pinch, another staff member with expertise in the thread subject will state so and then that's it.

Thanks to everyone here for following the above.

Thanks Wes. As for the request, it is not currently planned, and if I were to add it, it would likely be at least a year out, after everyone has done fretting about missing out on a challenge or two.

Terry, I was hoping you (or Wes?) could respond to the note above which I posted several days ago. You have very courteously addressed several other issues which came after mine but perhaps you missed mine. At any rate, here it is again. Would appreciate you taking the time to respond.
Thank you.

Something to go along with the previous question:
Why is this a challenge that you must wait until midnight to complete? Why isn't it awarded after both players play 4 games each?

It was said previously that it is intentionally set up to complete at midnight to avoid having one player essentially force the other to complete games early on so that further purchases could be made. It is more fair to both players to have it complete at midnight.

I must have missed that, or maybe it was the fact that I didn't understand the response. What exactly do you mean? How would it force the others to complete games early?

Hypothetical:

Say that the challenge completes when both players finish 4 games. I'm going for the 10-in-a-Day and I've got 2 incomplete challenges, with more challenges left to buy to complete my 10. One of my incomplete challenges is Expert, with you as my partner, and the other I have already failed, even with my swap, meaning I must win Expert to continue my progress. I've completed my 4 games and now am stuck until you finish your 4. The point in having it complete at midnight is so that I, the player waiting on you to finish, doesn't pester you all day and try to guilt/force you into completing your 4 games, no matter the category, so that I can continue on my quest to get 10 challenges. It would not be fair to you in this situation. It would put unnecessary pressure on you to finish the challenge quickly, most likely with unfavorable categories. This case also brings up the possibility that if you don't play to complete the challenge, I might blame you for ruining my run, because you could have done something and didn't. This could cause me to send you nasty messages for messing up my run at the badgelet. All of that pressure and such is completely eliminated if the challenge completes at midnight. It would also be more fair to you, giving you the chance to play categories of your choosing to give you the best shot at winning the challenge for yourself.

Does that help at all?

Good grief. I can honestly say THAT possible scenario has never entered my mind. If anyone's to blame it's usually just the three of us (me, myself and I) LOL.

I'm guessing (and he/she can correct me by all means) that what Buddy was trying to say is that (no matter WHAT time of day it was) if both parties had both played their (maximum of) four games, then, essentially the game is already over, even if there's still 11 hours to go til midnight FT time. It would also be over if one person had played all four, but hadn't managed to beat the other person's score, even if the other player had only played one game. So the challenge definitely "could" be awarded well before the witching hour. I'm assuming the code for such instances above wouldn't be too horrid to assemble, since you "automatically" get the "completed" checkmark for any of the matching scores in the Twins game AS SOON AS they occur.

Anyhoo, I'd also be interested in hearing the answer to Barbarini's question about the "tie going to the runner, or the one on base, or throw the dice".

Dunno, I suspect it's random (i.e. whatever record the database picks out first). It's something that could be changed if needed.

I agree ties should have a consistent treatment. In Expert, I would let the second best score decide, in Nemesis either have both players win or give the win to the one listed second (i.e. who generated the challenge later) since they technically had slightly less time.

The latter seems slightly less fair than random, lol! "First come first served" seems more fitting than "last in, automatic win" if you want to remove the random. (First one there beat the other one to it, and last one there failed to beat the set score. ??)

Just a thought - if both players can win then it would pay to collude with your opponent to get the same score, thus turning it into a twin challenge instead of nemesis.

I like Wes's suggestion for WTE, with the next best score being the decider. I'm not sure about the other one. Because of geography, some players already have an advantage. In the UK, midnight on FT is 6 a.m. at present, so the score I have when I go to bed is the best I'm going to get. It sets a target for my nemesis to aim at. It's the reason I don't think I'll ever get Endurance - I had over 30K points one day last week and still failed.

Thank you all very much for your response and suggestions. How about we make it reeeallllly easy and just give it to the person who scores the tie first?

Normally first played is better, but in the case of Nemesis, the second player to grab the challenge has a (very minor) disadvantage in that he has a minute or two less during which he actually knows what he's playing for. So if I had to decide, I would side with the second to start the challenge in this particular case.

In Expert, second highest score is in my opinion the obvious tiebreaker (and would also make playing another game worth it even after a very good first one)

But I think rossian's point is apt. Given that most players aren't playing on the site 20+ hours a day, or even 8 hours a day, it's not the person who starts earlier, but the person who finishes later who has the advantage.

I think the current implementation of breaking the tie randomly is fine. If I knew we were tied and my opponent had stopped scoring for the day (because maybe they are in a time zone when they are likely asleep), I would always answer a quick question to break the tie anyway. Why take a 50% shot when you can make it 100% with a few seconds of effort?

There are four choices for an outcome in the event of a tie:
1- Neither Player A nor Player B wins
2- Both Player A and Player B are awarded a win
3- Player A wins for some reason that made him(er) designated as A
4- Player B wins for some reason that made him(er) designated as B

I think equal perormance should rule out options 3 and 4, leaving the choice to award to either both of them or neither of them. Whichever way is decided should be the most fair to both players and including both on the same side of the outcome would seem to be that fair decision.

Edit:
Since this (the Daily Challenge) isn't an interplayer competition, is there really a need to have a tie broken?

Of course ties can sometimes need resolving. The Nemesis challenge compares the total scores of two players, the Expert challenge compares the best result in a row of four expert games between two players. So these two challenges, even being personal goals, need rules to see who is to prevail.

Hi.

I propose in the expert matchup end if a player complete the four attemps without beat the best-score's Nemesis.

I play with Daikenro, use my four attemps and I don't beat the best score of Dainkenro. It's nice close the challenge with any try the 10 in a day.

I just finished the 10 in a day challenge and "bought" another challenge with 33 points in search of an Epic challenge. The points were taken off but no challenge appeared!

I see 11 completed and 1 incomplete in your list as should be expected with this number, so I guess you bought a challenge whose requirements you had already met prior to buying which was instantly marked as complete - nothing left to do on that one!

Thanks -- so psyched about winning the challenge that I forgot to count!

A new badge proposal:

Complete 1095 daily challenges(3X 365 days).

Both players completing the challenge upon a non-zero tie makes the most sense to me. It's a little more complicated in hourly games because of the way is processed, but challenges are relatively easy to fix tie-wise.

I'll eventually change it.

p.s. the reason that crystal ball only gives one winner was to prevent the problem of a word like "xylophone" giving a badge to 500 people in a single hour. I THINK it awards the win to the player guessing first, although I may be wrong.

It's almost midnight, and so time is of the essence. Hope someone sees this in time.
My challenge to is take quizzes in 16 different categories and score at least 9.
I got 10/10 on a Geography quiz, but it is not showing up in the Daily Challenges. Why?? From what I can see, I complied with the Challenge!

Did you have to play it in Quiz game mode or HTML Quiz mode, or was that not specified? I got caught out on that; played five in the wrong mode!

Scoring finishes at 11:50 PM



It is selected randomely from all those with a correct answer

You play the quiz in the last 30 days(including quiz of hour??), maybe this it's the reason.

Yeah, I am sure Crystal Ball is awarded randomly if the word is chosen more than once. I've won when not being first, and lost with my guess being first. It was decided to be random so players who could not play at :00 could still win if they guess at :44.