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#831466 - Sun Oct 14 2012 09:08 AM HeroTopic 10/13-Stephen King-Too Narrowly Focused?
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I'd like to address the issue of the topic in the Heroes Game occasionally being too narrowly focused, as it was yesterday, 10/13/12, when the topic was: "Stephen King (Literature)".

I noticed that about 10 players on my team purposely avoided that topic, knowing that they were completely unfamiliar with Stephen King's work.
There were even some negative comments about it.

It's one thing to have a narrow focus on the same author in one or two questions, but devoting an entire Heroes quiz to one author doesn't seem appropriate.

Any opinions on this? ---Sea

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#831467 - Sun Oct 14 2012 09:14 AM Re: HeroTopic 10/13-Stephen King-Too Narrowly Focused? [Re: seadancer]
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Bear in mind that it's probably similar on other teams. Personally, I like having a more "specialist" category every so often, and you certainly see some like "Star Wars" that I don't have a clue about, or even broader categories like baseball, where not many people have knowledge of specifics, especially as the questions are often numerical. But that's the way the cookie crumbles, I think. smile

Because Team Heroes only counts the top scores from your team, everyone should have a go anyway - getting a bad score will not bring your team down unless only a few people are playing, so basically the more who play, the higher the team's overall score should be, and the impact of a bad score from one player will be decreased.
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#831471 - Sun Oct 14 2012 09:44 AM Re: HeroTopic 10/13-Stephen King-Too Narrowly Focused? [Re: reeshy]
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I can proudly state I once scored 0/15 in Team Heroes. The topic was Star Wars so I'm not surprised I scored poorly but zero? There's nothing else to do but laugh and I'm sure none of my team mates think I'm a drongo because of that score. It's only a game and I certainly improved my score the next day! laugh There are always going to be topics that don't suit a player but you can't please every player, every day. To attempt to do so will only drive a person nuts wink
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#831472 - Sun Oct 14 2012 09:49 AM Re: HeroTopic 10/13-Stephen King-Too Narrowly Focused? [Re: reeshy]
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The whole point of the Heroes game is that everybody is a specialist on something, and even players who are not very good generalists might be able to shine for their team in their one little category. If a sub category (or even a sub sub category) has enough quizzes in it to qualify it for the Heroes game, that's a fairly good indication that many people are interested in the subject.

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#831476 - Sun Oct 14 2012 10:13 AM Re: HeroTopic 10/13-Stephen King-Too Narrowly Focused? [Re: agony]
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Oh my, I wouldn't think of Stephen King as an especially "obscure" subject. He's certainly been prolific enough to have his own focus a few times a year. Not that I do well on his q's when they come up, but I can think of loads of other subjects that I'd do even WORSE at lol.

I could "sort of" understand complaints if they were related to TVT instead of Team Heroes. But, as Reeshy pointed out, the more folks who play, the better. You should encourage your whole team to play the Heroes game, no matter what the topic. Can't hurt anything for sure, since if nobody plays, your team won't get credit for any points anyway.

I like agony's phrase "might be able to shine for their team in their one little category". Everyone has different strengths and weaknesses.

I've noticed that on the most-complained-about topics, that generally (with the exception of geo-specific subjects, including sports), relatively few teams have a "standout performance". So we're all in the same boat - you can either row/paddle like mad - or jump overboard lol. It's always about choice : )
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#831477 - Sun Oct 14 2012 10:34 AM Re: HeroTopic 10/13-Stephen King-Too Narrowly Focused? [Re: Jakeroo]
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I can't say I'm a fan of the category, but it IS randomly picked, so there's no bias there. I DO wish Movies-based categories came up more often. It seems to be a little underrepresented.
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#831478 - Sun Oct 14 2012 10:35 AM Re: HeroTopic 10/13-Stephen King-Too Narrowly Focused? [Re: Jakeroo]
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Stephen King is one of the most popular authors on the site and one of the most prolific fiction authors of the last century. Sure, if you haven't read him it may be narrow, but the same can be said if you don't eat out and a quiz about Fast Food comes up. I, for one, like Stephen King. I don't think he's narrow. But then again, I work in a bookstore and have read half of his bibliography.

On the other hand, I haven't watched 'Star Trek', read the 'Star Wars' books, or opened a Bible. Someone else has. They'll carry the team that day-- we can't all be heroes every day.


The Heroes game is completely random-- sometimes there will be categories in your favour and sometimes there won't. If the category is not, the great thing is that playing it will not hinder your team whatsoever-- in fact you'll still receive points for whatever you happen to randomly get correct. There's really no point in not playing, as people have said.
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#831482 - Sun Oct 14 2012 10:59 AM Re: HeroTopic 10/13-Stephen King-Too Narrowly Focused? [Re: kyleisalive]
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Your points are all very well taken.

However, I must stress that I find it extremely unpleasant to take a quiz which focuses on subject so narrow that I know absolutely nothing about it.
So I prefer not to take the quiz at all, even though it costs points.

Thanks for listening. ---Sea

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#831490 - Sun Oct 14 2012 12:32 PM Re: HeroTopic 10/13-Stephen King-Too Narrowly Focused? [Re: seadancer]
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There are lots of quizzes I don't take because I don't like them, and thereby I don't get points - but I always play Heroes because no matter what I don't know there may be Llamas who know less than me in which case my score might be useful. It's a team thang. And sometimes it's funny to score so badly... although 0/15, Tizzabelle, really? LOLOL. Although yesterday because of a blip I got 2/10 in Easy and in one of my best categories - that made a few llamas laugh.

I've never read any Stephen King, the only thing I knew about him was that he wrote the story on which The Shawshank Redemption is based and as I have watched that film dozens of times I wish he'd write some more like it. But the Horror genre is not my thing so I avoid spooky cars going to the prom in graveyards. Kyle can keep those. wink
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#831549 - Sun Oct 14 2012 06:09 PM Re: HeroTopic 10/13-Stephen King-Too Narrowly Focused? [Re: flopsymopsy]
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I generally don't like taking quizzes or playing games I know nothing about because of my abysmal scores, but I can't afford to be picky in the team games. Yesterday, the second time I've seen Stephen King appear in Heroes (and that's very little considering I've seen many other categories more than once) I figured I should play for my team. Now, I've not touched a book or movie that has anything to do with this author, not from any aversion, but because I simply haven't. I guess I'll get around to those books someday. Well, I scored 8/15 by random clicking, good enough to up the average. I never expected to get such a score. You never know, your score may surprise you. So, play every category, and maybe you'll find a new topic that interests you from playing it!

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#831555 - Sun Oct 14 2012 06:53 PM Re: HeroTopic 10/13-Stephen King-Too Narrowly Focused? [Re: Mariamir]
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I'll try. smile

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#831556 - Sun Oct 14 2012 06:57 PM Re: HeroTopic 10/13-Stephen King-Too Narrowly Focused? [Re: Mariamir]
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I agree totally with Agony here. The occasional highly specific topic is fine (and SK books are a good example of this). I do like the opportunity for various team members to shine when their pet subject comes along. We can all commiserate together when we put in a shocker. Isn't this meant mainly to be fun and a team-building activity? And if you're in a highly competitive team, then the chances are very strong your competitors will fare just as well (or as poorly) as you do on these more specialized quizzes. I think the Australian Players favorite (haha) is the quiz on British railways :-)

And Tizzabelle, I'll race you to the bottom next time Star Wars comes along - except that don't our scores get recorded as technical glitches, when in fact they were legitimate attempts? :-)


Edited by MikeMaster99 (Sun Oct 14 2012 06:57 PM)

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#831557 - Sun Oct 14 2012 07:08 PM Re: HeroTopic 10/13-Stephen King-Too Narrowly Focused? [Re: MikeMaster99]
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Yep, scores under 300 are ignored, assumed to be the result of a technical glitch rather than complete ignorance of a topic wink In all the quizzes and games I've played I think that's only the second time I've scored zero while trying to score something! laugh
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#831570 - Sun Oct 14 2012 09:44 PM Re: HeroTopic 10/13-Stephen King-Too Narrowly Focused? [Re: Tizzabelle]
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Scores under 300 ARE counted in Team Heroes. They're ignored in TvT. However, only the top 5/7/10 (depending on team size) get counted. :-)
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#831595 - Mon Oct 15 2012 12:12 AM Re: HeroTopic 10/13-Stephen King-Too Narrowly Focused? [Re: salami_swami]
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Oops.. you're right Salami. Thanks for correcting me. I knew that info was somewhere so when I found it in TvT I assumed it was in Heroes. blush smile
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#831598 - Mon Oct 15 2012 01:56 AM Re: HeroTopic 10/13-Stephen King-Too Narrowly Focused? [Re: Tizzabelle]
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The main point, though, remains - play, play, play since your team might just get a benefit from your score,and cannot be hurt no matter how bad the score is. If you don't particularly like the subject, just close your eyes and think of England.
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#831599 - Mon Oct 15 2012 02:26 AM Re: HeroTopic 10/13-Stephen King-Too Narrowly Focused? [Re: looney_tunes]
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Or the Eurovision Song Contest, lol....

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#831600 - Mon Oct 15 2012 02:40 AM Re: HeroTopic 10/13-Stephen King-Too Narrowly Focused? [Re: MikeMaster99]
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I always play regardless of the subject. It does not harm anything and I can learn something from it (although on some subjects the learning curve is quite steep I have to confess). And if at one time the score is bad, there is always tomorrow.

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#831658 - Mon Oct 15 2012 08:05 AM Re: HeroTopic 10/13-Stephen King-Too Narrowly Focused? [Re: James25]
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And besides, sometimes you will surprise yourself with knowledge you did not know you knew, and score well enough for the team to help them out for the day! Those are quite rewarding. smile
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#831718 - Mon Oct 15 2012 12:18 PM Re: HeroTopic 10/13-Stephen King-Too Narrowly Focused? [Re: salami_swami]
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If you'd like some other author coming up in Team Heroes, just write tons of quizzes on the subject. The only reason why Stephen King has a category of his own in Team Heroes, is the quite large number of quizzes available on this site.

So be prepared if you don't specialise in a particular literature author - chances are Agatha Christie or JK Rowling are in the rotation, too - as well as Tolkien.
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#831725 - Mon Oct 15 2012 01:14 PM Re: HeroTopic 10/13-Stephen King-Too Narrowly Focused? [Re: JanIQ]
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My problem with Heroes categories isn't with the narrow or specific topics, it's the ones that "lie" about being broad but in actuality are very narrow.

Today is the perfect example...the topic is supposedly 'Music Industry Awards' yet 13 of my 15 questions were Eurovision questions. And it was this exact same way the last time this topic came up in Heroes. The topic should be called Eurovision instead of the broader 'Music Industry Awards' it is labeled as.
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#831726 - Mon Oct 15 2012 01:23 PM Re: HeroTopic 10/13-Stephen King-Too Narrowly Focused? [Re: thelancinator]
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The reason for that is likely that a vast majority of the quizzes in the subcategory "Music Industry Awards" are quizzes on Eurovision. Here comes that old advice again that if you want to see a change in distribution of subjects within a broader category, the way to do it is to write some quizzes in it, or if writing's not your thing, then it wouldn't hurt to make the suggestion to your team, for example.


Edited by reeshy (Mon Oct 15 2012 01:23 PM)
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#831727 - Mon Oct 15 2012 01:24 PM Re: HeroTopic 10/13-Stephen King-Too Narrowly Focused? [Re: thelancinator]
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Thelancinator:

This was addressed on our team board, so I will post it here for all others to see.

There are 103 quizzes in the category.

2 are about the Country Music Awards.
6 are about the Grammies.
12 are Rock and Roll Hall of Fame quizzes.
10 are uncategorized.

That leaves 69 quizzes out of 103 in the Eurovision category. Naturally, one will see mostly Eurovision questions in a question pool dominated by Eurovision questions. It happens sometimes.


Perhaps we need a few authors to write a couple quizzes in the category to broaden the question pool a bit. wink
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#831728 - Mon Oct 15 2012 01:24 PM Re: HeroTopic 10/13-Stephen King-Too Narrowly Focused? [Re: thelancinator]
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If you look at the quizzes in Music Industry Awards, you will see that there are 69 on Eurovision, 16 on Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, 6 on Grammy Awards, 2 on ACM, out of a total of 103 in the category. (Yes, I went to see after getting 12 Eurovision questions out of 15.) Obviously, there are going to be more Eurovision questions than any others! As was mentioned when people complained that Science Fiction seems to be almost all Star Wars, that's because of the actual number of quizzes filed in that subcategory (since, in Literature, quizzes on a single book or series by an author get filed under the author, not in the genre). Get some friends to write quizzes on other awards, and the topic will broaden.
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#831730 - Mon Oct 15 2012 01:28 PM Re: HeroTopic 10/13-Stephen King-Too Narrowly Focused? [Re: looney_tunes]
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Get some friends to write quizzes on other awards, and the topic will broaden.


OR! OR you could post topics on the Challenge Wall (eg. 'Grammies of the 1990s') and see if anyone will pick them up. smile
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