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#835185 - Mon Oct 29 2012 03:10 PM Re: East U.S. Prepares for "Frankenstorm" [Re: bubblesfun]
Jazmee27 Offline
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Stay safe.

Wind's not too bad here yet either, and it's only raining on and off.

We're now under a flood *warning*, wind *warning*, and some other advisories.

And Mom just called to let me know the wind has picked up, so it's time to get some water out of the refrigerator and eat dinner.
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#835186 - Mon Oct 29 2012 03:13 PM Re: East U.S. Prepares for "Frankenstorm" [Re: Jazmee27]
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Storm is supposed to get stronger once it makes landfall. I'm thinking we're going to sleep in the basement, despite the sick cat smell we haven't fully eradicated yet...
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#835198 - Mon Oct 29 2012 03:59 PM Re: East U.S. Prepares for "Frankenstorm" [Re: ladymacb29]
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I went overboard wih the water: grabbed nine bottles and plopped them on the counter. Then ate a salad. Then went into my room and put pajamas on. Oh, forgot put the kitchen and living room lights on (I dont need them, but they sure do comfort me).

If the power goes out, at least I have plenty to read... (not to mention a boatload of bottled waer).
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#835215 - Mon Oct 29 2012 04:35 PM Re: East U.S. Prepares for "Frankenstorm" [Re: Jazmee27]
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I wasn't able to really listen to all the advisories for my area until now, so here are my notes:

Area flood warning until 11:15

“Turn around, don’t drown.”

Warning for Swetara Creek through Wednesday at 10:34

Another warning until Thursday morning

High wind warning through tomorrow afternoon

Flood watch through tomorrow evening

Flood advisory through just after midnight


Edit to add a post-script of sorts:
So the list includes three flood warnings (I guess, issued by differen counties or townships), a flood watch, a flood advisory, and a high wind warning.


Edited by Jazmee27 (Mon Oct 29 2012 04:40 PM)
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#835236 - Mon Oct 29 2012 05:41 PM Re: East U.S. Prepares for "Frankenstorm" [Re: Jazmee27]
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Most stores (and schools) in the area are closed, but one grocery near Mom and I is still open (don't they see how bad things are projected to become?)

My one friend used to be local, so he still monitors weather and news for the area. I'm jealous: he now lives in Colorado, and where he is it's sunny frown

My one friend said we're supposed to get snow showers one day this week--talk about weird weather smile
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#835240 - Mon Oct 29 2012 06:06 PM Re: East U.S. Prepares for "Frankenstorm" [Re: Jazmee27]
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It's official now--Sandy *is* a post-tropical cyclone
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#835242 - Mon Oct 29 2012 06:21 PM Re: East U.S. Prepares for "Frankenstorm" [Re: Jazmee27]
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On CNN just now, I heard that "at least one casualty of this storm has [been confirmed:] a man died when a tree fell on him."
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#835259 - Mon Oct 29 2012 08:03 PM Re: East U.S. Prepares for "Frankenstorm" [Re: Jazmee27]
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OK, now I'm mad: my cell phone died while I was watching a movie. frown frown frown frown

I thought, "What the ---, I just charged it Saturday!"

Stalked into my room, where I didn't want to be, to plug in the piece of ***.

**My phone is *possessed. frown

**My electronics (tape recorder and Braille notetaker) are *possessed. frown frown
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#835261 - Mon Oct 29 2012 08:09 PM Re: East U.S. Prepares for "Frankenstorm" [Re: Jazmee27]
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Power's out at Mom's office frown

Wind's picking up even more, she said

So far, both I and she still have electric--but who knows if we will come morning.

Off to cover bird, who *really* doesn't like when I do that!
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#835276 - Mon Oct 29 2012 09:26 PM Re: East U.S. Prepares for "Frankenstorm" [Re: Jazmee27]
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Battling network coverages:

TWC The Weather Channel: Nonstop weather from many vantage points.

MSNBC NBC's News channel: Same

CNN: Same

Fox News: Political coverage, heavily in favor of the Republicans, dissing everything about the president except his Emergency Management skills, occasional studio reports of the weather

Some big stories:
1) A fallen crane hanging dangerously loose almost 1,000 feet above the streets of NYC
2) The NYSE flooded with 3 feet inside covering the exchange floor (though one network says this report is false, the NYSE is heavily sandbagged, then the other guys report that the basements of many old bldgs are interconnected and it could be flooded by some other bldg getting flooded! but they don't cite which other bldg)
3) The surge at high tide in South Manhattan Island is at a record 13.5 feet above normal.
4) 2.8 million are without power
5) High tide comes at midnight in Massavhusetts (10PM FTTime) and the mouths of most rivers are already at record high surge levels.
6) Atlantic City, New Jersey (point of landfall) is completely under water.
7) Automobile Tunnels and Subways in NYC are beginning to fill with water (This could shut down NYC for weeks and impair full functioning for months IMHO)
8) Strange: with all the wind storm stories, no notes of tornadoes have been reported.
9) The surge in NYC is a Triple whammy with Long Island Sound water pushed at it from the East, the harbor water to the south pushing at it from the South and all the run-off water flowing down the Hudson River pushing at it from three sides: North, West and Northeast. All converging on the Big Apple.
10) Philadelphia is expected to have similar flooding, a bit less of the surge but more of the river run-off.


Edited by mehaul (Mon Oct 29 2012 09:42 PM)
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#835287 - Mon Oct 29 2012 10:46 PM Re: East U.S. Prepares for "Frankenstorm" [Re: mehaul]
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Originally Posted By: mehaul
Battling network coverages:

TWC The Weather Channel: Nonstop weather from many vantage points.

MSNBC NBC's News channel: Same

CNN: Same

Fox News: Political coverage, heavily in favor of the Republicans, dissing everything about the president except his Emergency Management skills, occasional studio reports of the weather


Current TV is also covering the storm, non-stop. They also showed some video clips of Romney saying he thinks that America can't afford FEMA and in fact it's immoral to fund agencies like FEMA! There was extended discussion on what the Romney/Ryan budget would do to FEMA (decimate it).

They also show how Obama isn't really the Green Prez either, although Romney's worse. (Showed how in the debate how each man tried to top each other on pro-drilling.) So there's some coverage of the whole question of global climate change, too. But the coverage is mostly Hurricane Sandy (and some of the political ramifications of the storm -- really the only channel doing that.)

The Time-Warner YNN channel here in upstate NY is covering the storm, but they are also doing a lot of regular news coverage.


Edited by gracious1 (Mon Oct 29 2012 10:58 PM)
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#835297 - Mon Oct 29 2012 11:51 PM Re: East U.S. Prepares for "Frankenstorm" [Re: gracious1]
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Can we not make this about politics but just the people trying to get through the night? That would be great. There are people in a lot of our nation tonight just trying to get through, and the politics are silly to them.


Edited by bubblesfun (Mon Oct 29 2012 11:54 PM)
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#835319 - Tue Oct 30 2012 12:57 AM Re: East U.S. Prepares for "Frankenstorm" [Re: bubblesfun]
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Within an hour the figure of estimated folks without power about doubled to 5.3 million.

This figure is hard to pin down to meaning. I think it comes from the power companies and represents the accounts that aren't on the grid which would mean that more than 10 million actual people are without electricity. The population of the Northeast corridor is 50 million people.

It was estimated that 5 feet of snow could fall on western Virginia but that figure has come down to 3 feet.

A Fire Rescue spokesman in New Jersey said they were stuck in their building and had just gone through about five minutes of hearing nothing but Pow Pow Pow ... guessing that each of the pows was a tree being snapped in two (me - Tornado?).
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#835331 - Tue Oct 30 2012 03:31 AM Re: East U.S. Prepares for "Frankenstorm" [Re: mehaul]
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I thought we were going to get through unscathed, but when Sandy turned, she grew, and we've been getting rained on ever since. We've still been very lucky compared to others - I haven't lost power and Raleigh isn't prone to flooding. We've still got a full day of rain and high winds ahead, so here's hoping the power stays on.

I hope the rest of you are staying safe north of me!
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#835339 - Tue Oct 30 2012 04:42 AM Re: East U.S. Prepares for "Frankenstorm" [Re: SilverMoonsong]
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Please keep safe, all Funtrivia friends, my thoughts are with you all xxx
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#835341 - Tue Oct 30 2012 04:55 AM Re: East U.S. Prepares for "Frankenstorm" [Re: Jazmee27]
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To all fellow FTers suffering through this major event on the eastern seaboard of the US and presumably into Canada too... I sincerely hope you and yours, and to a lesser extent all that you own, emerge safe and sound out the other end. My best wishes and prayers are for you all. Take care.
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#835351 - Tue Oct 30 2012 05:58 AM Re: East U.S. Prepares for "Frankenstorm" [Re: Jazmee27]
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Looks bad on the TV News, I hope everyone is OK and keep themselves out of harms way, good luck
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#835383 - Tue Oct 30 2012 07:21 AM Re: East U.S. Prepares for "Frankenstorm" [Re: pmarney]
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Break of day power outage figure: 7 million.

A fire (said to be started by an exploding power transformer, but yet to be a sure reason) has destroyed 50 houses and is currently burning 25 more in a NYC burough (Brooklyn I think). The blaze is jaw-dropping to look at occurring in the middle of what is now called a Superstorm.

It is believed the surge reached 14 feet in the NYC area.

A berm/coastal barrier broke through and three communities in New Jersey are flooded and hundreds are on rooftops awaiting rescue.

The three NYC area airports are closed due to safety reasons. They were completely flooded being sea level facilities. They will not open again until all systems that are involved in flying safety can be inspected. Somehow Boston, Philidelphia, Baltimore and Washington area airports are open (meaning they do not need inspection) but will be seeing no take off or landings in any commercial sense for at least another day.

I hope these notes help some that have power but may have only had satellite dishes that were lost to the winds to bring the news and are still on the net with wireless devices.

Winds are expected to drop below the 40 MILE per hour by this evening. And then there can still be clear air turbulence that can bring gusts. Damaged trees and other structures could still fail during the day today.

The NJ Governor and the Alantic City mayor, in the middle of this disaster had a brief back and forth over the fact that several hundred need to be rescued in Atlantic City. The Gov had ordered a manditory evacuation and the Mayor had advised later that those who had stayed behind to shelter in place (I think they were both right and it was the tension of the situation that made the exchange contentious). Who cares guys. Get the people to safety if possible.

A 700 foot long/700 ton water tanker (?) has run ashore on Staten Island. It now sits entirely out of the water on the beach and adjacent road. It had been moored offshore and broke loose in the high sea conditions. (Does some part of NYC use floating tankers as water reservoirs?)

EDIT to add: Two storm flanking sewage treatment plants (1@Maryland & 1@Connecticut) have been taken offline. (I might speculate that they were backflushed by storm surge waters and need inspecting before coming back on line.)
Update: the NYSE is closed today making it the first time since 1888 that is has been closed two business days in a row.


Edited by mehaul (Tue Oct 30 2012 07:52 AM)
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#835388 - Tue Oct 30 2012 08:25 AM Re: East U.S. Prepares for "Frankenstorm" [Re: mehaul]
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DC made it out ok - maybe that derecho we had earlier this year took out everything that would have come down this last round. Scattered reports of trees/power lines down, but no extensive flooding. I think the storm hit when it wasn't high tide so that helped. NY/NJ looks like they got the worst of it - there's a photo going around of water rushing into a NJ PATH station and pictures of water in the NY subway tunnels.

I think everything will be back to normal down here tomorrow. Weather right now is just rainy and a few gusts, but nowhere near as bad as it was gusting yesterday.
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#835391 - Tue Oct 30 2012 08:48 AM Re: East U.S. Prepares for "Frankenstorm" [Re: ladymacb29]
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Everything here seems to be fine, though the sounds the wind was making last night were absolutely terrifying. I shudder to think what may have been downed while I lay on the couch hearing slap, slap, slap.

Grandma has power (I called and got the answering machine). Waiting to hear back from her.

Seems Zweier’s is open, as I just called (call me curious) to see if they closed or not.

I truly feel for those who got hit harder than me.
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#835399 - Tue Oct 30 2012 09:35 AM Re: East U.S. Prepares for "Frankenstorm" [Re: Jazmee27]
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This would all tend to back the validity to those questions here saying that it is storm water surge that is the most dangerous part to giant storms and Hurricanes in particular.

New Jerseyian(-ite?) businesses have been asked to keep their employees at home through tomorrow at the least.

The "stall" has begun. The center of the storm slowed down to moving at only 9 mph NW (it had come ashore at about 18mph). The turn to the North it is expected to take should slow it down even more later this afternoon.


Edited by mehaul (Tue Oct 30 2012 09:50 AM)
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#835407 - Tue Oct 30 2012 10:10 AM Re: East U.S. Prepares for "Frankenstorm" [Re: mehaul]
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Grandma called. They lost electric last night, and since it wasn’t on early this morning, Michael took Grandma to breakfast. The line they’re on got power soon after, so “we’re back in business.”

Charlie and Anita, my great uncle and his wife, are without power—and something’s wrong with their phones.

Last year, Mom was uppset because the back-up generators hadn’t been tested in quite some time, so when the power went out they couldn’t even use that. Grandma and I are both wondering whether it’s working now.

Also last year (September) the Hyman Kaplan, a short-term care home located behind the local hospital, had to be evacuated due to flooding. In addition, a computer with valuable medical information was damaged, prompting letters to go out in the mail to those potentially impacted by this loss.

Time will tellif anything similar happened with Sandy.
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#835410 - Tue Oct 30 2012 10:20 AM Re: East U.S. Prepares for "Frankenstorm" [Re: Jazmee27]
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This is likely a coincidence [forget the fact that I don't believe in those], but the maintenance man came to my door because my neighbor's kitchen sink was clogged "so yours most likely is as well." He poured down some drain cleaner, then "ran back and forth" between apartments for a bit.

The other week, I'd actually called about my sink. I'd been washing dishes when it overflowed. The next day, someone was up to look at the problem, and concluded that the drain was open. I was half tempted to yell at him, but I restrained myself. Seems my drain may not have been "wide open" like he thought.
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#835412 - Tue Oct 30 2012 10:23 AM Re: East U.S. Prepares for "Frankenstorm" [Re: Jazmee27]
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Correction:
The NYC house fires were in Queens and the count is at 80 lost residences.

Update:
The Maryland Waste treatment plant is spewing a couple hundred thousand gallons of untreated waste per hour. That has a dangerous impact to the flooding in that area (which is said to be less than other places because it was on the south side of the storm but means it will be less diluted before filtering out to sea - this could be a devastating environmental impact).

New:
A lot of "Boil Water" warnings are being issued because of the impact of flooding on drinking water supplies (and I imagine due to broken water mains resulting from washouts and short term high contamination levels of supplies by run-off).


Edited by mehaul (Tue Oct 30 2012 10:29 AM)
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#835421 - Tue Oct 30 2012 11:34 AM Re: East U.S. Prepares for "Frankenstorm" [Re: mehaul]
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Saw on the news last night that Pittsburgh and Ohio were getting sleet.
Currently aAbout 7.5 million without power and at least 26 casualties

Flood warning for my area until 8 tonight

I remember last year after Hurricane Lee, there was a boil water advisory for the area. So far as I know, that’s not an issue this time. (Mom will be better able to tell me if there is – she’s the one who alerted me last year.)

“A south-central Pennsylvania woman faces charges that include risking a catastrophe after she jumped into a raging creek to "save" a couple dozen wild ducks.” – CBS News web site



Eleven roads in my area are closed – includes Cumberland Street

Building in Altoona suffered a partial collapse in storm

One of my relatives, my Great-Aunt Janice, was prepared to get confrontational with her power company if the power wasn’t restored in what she perceived to be a timely fashion.

“A look at key storm developments in Pennsylvania” (CBS News online) – “Three people were killed, including an 8-year-old Susquehanna County boy who died when a tree limb fell on him… In Berks County, a 62-year-old man was killed after a tree fell atop his house… A man trimming a tree in preparation for the storm fell and died Sunday [Lancaster County]… An infant was slightly injured when a tree fell on a house [Delaware C ounty]”
“More than 1.2 million customers were without power throughout Pennsylvania as of 10:30 p.m. Monday, according to utilities FirstEnergy, PECO and PPL.”
“The Pennsylvania Fish and Boat Commission advised residents of about 80 homes downstream of the Speedwell Forge Lake Dam in Elizabeth Township, Lancaster County, to evacuate as a precaution. Bensalem Township, north of Philadelphia, ordered more than 100 residences evacuated Monday; In Darby Borough, just southwest of Philadelphia, 150-200 people were evacuated.”
“Approximately 600 people were in 14 Philadelphia-area shelters and 60 people were in 17 shelters in central Pennsylvania, according to the Redn Cross; A total of 58 Red Cross evacuation centers are on standby with a capacity for 31,000.”
“State offices are closed Monday and Tuesday except for essential personnel. All Pennsylvania state appellate courts closed Monday and Tuesday; county courts closed on a county-by-county basis.”
“PennDOT reported significant numbers of road closures because of downed trees, power lines and flooding, most of them in southeastern Pennsylvania.”
“Speed limits reduced to 45 miles per hour on highways in central and eastern Pennsylvania”
“The Pennsylvania Turnpike is operating under a weather emergency. Motorists are urged to limit non-essential travel and reduce speeds for safety.”
“Pennsylvania wine and liquor stores closed at 3 p.m. Monday; stores in southeastern Pennsylvania did not open at all.”
“Tuesday's absentee ballot application deadline is extended for a day or two for counties where courthouses were closed Monday, Tuesday, or both.”
“QUOTE OF THE DAY: "They're telling me this is going to be worse than (Hurricane) Floyd because this is some superstorm. I'm not going back until the water's receded." — Sheila Gladden evacuated from her home in Philadelphia's flood-prone Eastwick neighborhood.”
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