Rules: Read Me!
Admin: sue943
Legal / Conditions of Use

Page 1 of 2 1 2 >
Topic Options
#959930 - Tue Jan 08 2013 09:44 PM Unpopular vs Popular categories
gracious1 Offline
Mainstay

Registered: Tue May 01 2012
Posts: 645
Loc: New York USA
Some categories seem rife with "Sunglassed" quizzes, and others seem really ignored. I wonder if there is a way to bring more attention to unpopular categories.

Top
#959953 - Tue Jan 08 2013 11:28 PM Re: Unpopular vs Popular categories [Re: gracious1]
looney_tunes Offline
Multiloquent

Registered: Tue Jan 20 2009
Posts: 2923
Loc: Briar Hill Victoria Australia 
Sunglasses represent the fact that those who have played the quizzes thought highly of them. That is not necessarily the same as being popular - some of the top ranked quizzes don't have all that many plays, just appreciative audiences. And some categories have quizzes that are played a lot, and which keep getting played, because they are on subjects that appeal to players - these are often popular-culture based topics, such as Harry Potter. But if the quizzes aren't well written, they won't get sunglasses no matter how often they are played, because players won't rate them highly. Drawing players' attention to categories that don't have many sunglass-ranked quizzes is unlikely to increase the sunglasses.

Popular, in the sense of frequently played, categories are also likely to attract the efforts of beginning authors, who often write quizzes for the categories where they have been enjoying playing. I think all of us who have written a fair number of quizzes know how much better we have become at the game than we were when we first started.
_________________________
(Editor in Humanities, Literature and Books For Children)
That's all, folks!

Top
#959968 - Wed Jan 09 2013 12:19 AM Re: Unpopular vs Popular categories [Re: looney_tunes]
gracious1 Offline
Mainstay

Registered: Tue May 01 2012
Posts: 645
Loc: New York USA
I guess what I meant was... not how to get more Sunglasses in certain categories, but how to get people interested enough in the categories to play the quizzes.

Some categories just don't get players. Some of them people may not be aware of when they are looking for quizzes to play.

Top
#959984 - Wed Jan 09 2013 01:43 AM Re: Unpopular vs Popular categories [Re: gracious1]
looney_tunes Offline
Multiloquent

Registered: Tue Jan 20 2009
Posts: 2923
Loc: Briar Hill Victoria Australia 
I didn't understand that, since you started by talking about sunglasses, which are a quite separate thing. The categories with few plays are, for the most part, pretty specialist. Players who are likely to be interested would find them if they searched for the topic. Players who aren't already interested in a topic tend to rate poorly if they are only playing it for some perceived external benefit, as often happened when there was a link to guide players to quizzes that had been online for a long time without getting 20 ratings, offering double points for playing them. The quizzes got their ratings up to a number where they could be ranked, but a number of authors noticed that those last ratings were not as high as the earlier ones that came from players with a real interest. As a result, the ranking was lower than might have been hoped for.
_________________________
(Editor in Humanities, Literature and Books For Children)
That's all, folks!

Top
#959990 - Wed Jan 09 2013 03:34 AM Re: Unpopular vs Popular categories [Re: gracious1]
kyleisalive Offline
Forum Champion

Registered: Mon Mar 07 2005
Posts: 5514
Loc: Toronto, Canada, eh!
Quote:
but how to get people interested enough in the categories to play the quizzes.


I've been talking with another member about this (Tazman) who is on the quest to make a palatable Poker quiz for non-players. Unfortunately, for the time being, we don't have members that are into Poker, no matter how well-written the quizzes are. We can't control something like this.
_________________________
Senior FT Editor (Video Games, Television, Music, and Entertainment)
Chat Board Moderator (Author's Lounge)
Amazing Trivia Race Taskmaster/Commission Hander-Outer

Top
#960002 - Wed Jan 09 2013 06:52 AM Re: Unpopular vs Popular categories [Re: gracious1]
sisterseagull Offline
Forum Adept

Registered: Tue Aug 16 2011
Posts: 188
Loc: Torquay Devon England UK      
Might it be possible to have a weekly featured category where players might earn bonus points for playing a set percentage of their weekly plays in that category?

Might it also be possible to earn additional bonus points for rating the quizzes that you play in that category?

It just might encourage some players to look at quizzes outside of their comfort zones!

Top
#960004 - Wed Jan 09 2013 07:04 AM Re: Unpopular vs Popular categories [Re: gracious1]
rossian Offline
Prolific

Registered: Sat Jun 10 2006
Posts: 1433
Loc: Merseyside UK 
I think the Daily Challenges already do that to a certain extent. I know I've played many quizzes I wouldn't otherwise have taken (in television, to name just one example). Some quizzes are destined not to be played that often and I don't think offering inducements is the answer. As an author, I'd rather players took my quizzes because they wanted to, not because they were 'bribed' to do so.
_________________________
Editor - Sci/Tech

Top
#960025 - Wed Jan 09 2013 08:04 AM Re: Unpopular vs Popular categories [Re: gracious1]
agony Offline

Administrator

Registered: Sat Mar 29 2003
Posts: 11431
Loc: Western Canada
To tie in with another discussion, those much maligned specialist categories in Expert and Team Heroes are doing their part to let players know about categories they may not have been aware of. Most of us were, I think, less than happy to face all those questions about the specifics of the London Underground when it came up in Heroes a while ago, but I bet there were a few who went "There's a *category* about this? Whoo Hooo!"

As an author with most of her quizzes in specialized categories, I'd really rather not have people who know nothing about the subject playing the quizzes just for bonus points. We have a lot of broad categories for the general trivia hound, there is room for some niche quizzes, too, and niche audiences.

I'd venture to guess that most people who are really into trivia are also really into poking around the corners of a place like this, looking for the hidden gems. It's the same impulse - a curiosity about odd little bits and pieces.

Top
#960037 - Wed Jan 09 2013 08:45 AM Re: Unpopular vs Popular categories [Re: gracious1]
sisterseagull Offline
Forum Adept

Registered: Tue Aug 16 2011
Posts: 188
Loc: Torquay Devon England UK      
Very good points, well bought out...

I'll shut up now! lol

Top
#960072 - Wed Jan 09 2013 10:52 AM Re: Unpopular vs Popular categories [Re: looney_tunes]
AlonsoKing Offline
Explorer

Registered: Sat Feb 25 2012
Posts: 91
Loc: Belgium
Originally Posted By: looney_tunes
Players who aren't already interested in a topic tend to rate poorly if they are only playing it for some perceived external benefit, as often happened when there was a link to guide players to quizzes that had been online for a long time without getting 20 ratings, offering double points for playing them. The quizzes got their ratings up to a number where they could be ranked, but a number of authors noticed that those last ratings were not as high as the earlier ones that came from players with a real interest. As a result, the ranking was lower than might have been hoped for.


Ah, that's why the double point quizzes list is always empty. I was wondering about that.

So basically the choice was between having few players and a higher ranking or more players and a lower ranking. Given that choice I'd always go for fewer players with an interest in the topic, even if it means waiting several months to get a ranking.

Top
#960091 - Wed Jan 09 2013 12:47 PM Re: Unpopular vs Popular categories [Re: AlonsoKing]
gracious1 Offline
Mainstay

Registered: Tue May 01 2012
Posts: 645
Loc: New York USA
Originally Posted By: AlonsoKing
Ah, that's why the double point quizzes list is always empty. I was wondering about that.


Where is this link/list that you guys are talking about? I presume you don't mean this one:

http://www.funtrivia.com/ql.cfm?forgotten=1

Top
#960092 - Wed Jan 09 2013 12:54 PM Re: Unpopular vs Popular categories [Re: gracious1]
reeshy Offline
Mainstay

Registered: Tue Aug 11 2009
Posts: 741
Loc: Glasgow Scotland UK           
Yes, I agree, it's more important to me that the players of my quizzes are actually enjoying it, and playing because they want to. Ratings are not important to me in the long run, although it is nice to have a well-rated quiz, of course. But unless we let the majority of potential players come across it of their own accord, I don't think the rating would be a true reflection. So, actually, I think I'd rather have a more badly rated quiz if it accurately reflected the views of the people playing it, than a really well-rated quiz that people only rated for points! (Even if it usually just turn out the other way around :P)
_________________________
Richard

Top
#960093 - Wed Jan 09 2013 01:11 PM Re: Unpopular vs Popular categories [Re: gracious1]
AlonsoKing Offline
Explorer

Registered: Sat Feb 25 2012
Posts: 91
Loc: Belgium
Originally Posted By: gracious1

Where is this link/list that you guys are talking about? I presume you don't mean this one:

http://www.funtrivia.com/ql.cfm?forgotten=1


This one: http://www.funtrivia.com/special_lists.cfm?ratings=1

Top
#960094 - Wed Jan 09 2013 01:13 PM Re: Unpopular vs Popular categories [Re: gracious1]
salami_swami Offline
Forum Champion

Registered: Thu Nov 01 2007
Posts: 7752
Loc: Colorado USA
How did you find that, Alonso? I thought that was removed, as we went through the list a few years ago and it shouldn't be active at all?
_________________________
People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but *actually* from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint - it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly... time-y wimey... stuff.

Top
#960096 - Wed Jan 09 2013 01:17 PM Re: Unpopular vs Popular categories [Re: salami_swami]
kyleisalive Offline
Forum Champion

Registered: Mon Mar 07 2005
Posts: 5514
Loc: Toronto, Canada, eh!
Originally Posted By: salami_swami
How did you find that, Alonso? I thought that was removed, as we went through the list a few years ago and it shouldn't be active at all?


It's in the drop-down menu. I don't use it myself.
_________________________
Senior FT Editor (Video Games, Television, Music, and Entertainment)
Chat Board Moderator (Author's Lounge)
Amazing Trivia Race Taskmaster/Commission Hander-Outer

Top
#960099 - Wed Jan 09 2013 01:44 PM Re: Unpopular vs Popular categories [Re: gracious1]
salami_swami Offline
Forum Champion

Registered: Thu Nov 01 2007
Posts: 7752
Loc: Colorado USA
That explains it. I don't use drop-down menus. :P
_________________________
People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but *actually* from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint - it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly... time-y wimey... stuff.

Top
#960108 - Wed Jan 09 2013 03:03 PM Re: Unpopular vs Popular categories [Re: salami_swami]
gracious1 Offline
Mainstay

Registered: Tue May 01 2012
Posts: 645
Loc: New York USA
I don't use drop-down menus either. But I just checked, and yup, there it is! "Double-Point Quizzes". Hello... "Suggest Quizzes I May Like" is nice, too. Would it be possible to put that in the regular menus? smile

But getting back to the double-point quizzes, I'm sorry I missed out on that opportunity when it was available. It sounds like a great idea, although I see what happened in the execution.

On the other hand, I am surprised, though, that people would take quizzes on subjects they hate -- when they don't have to in order to fulfill any challenge -- and then rate them poorly. I mean, simply because the link is there doesn't mean you must take the quiz! I have had to take quizzes on subjects that don't thrill me so as to fulfill Daily Challenges and to get badges, but I wouldn't go seeking one out voluntarily, even for double points! Or treble points!

I wonder if there isn't some way to revive it, but discourage people from abusing the rating system in the process? confused

Top
#960112 - Wed Jan 09 2013 03:17 PM Re: Unpopular vs Popular categories [Re: gracious1]
salami_swami Offline
Forum Champion

Registered: Thu Nov 01 2007
Posts: 7752
Loc: Colorado USA
Gracious, you can go to the quiz page, and under the "special" tab on the left, there is "suggest some quizzes". So it's there without drop-down menus, as well. smile
_________________________
People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but *actually* from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint - it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly... time-y wimey... stuff.

Top
#960116 - Wed Jan 09 2013 03:22 PM Re: Unpopular vs Popular categories [Re: salami_swami]
gracious1 Offline
Mainstay

Registered: Tue May 01 2012
Posts: 645
Loc: New York USA
Thanks, Salami! Very nice!

But to keep the thread on track, I repeat, maybe we could brainstorm ideas for how to encourage people to take quizzes, even reinstate the double-points offer, without abusing the ratings system?

Top
#960124 - Wed Jan 09 2013 04:07 PM Re: Unpopular vs Popular categories [Re: gracious1]
malik24 Offline
Explorer

Registered: Fri Sep 14 2007
Posts: 96
Loc: Somerset UK
Did you have any categories in mind that actually needed more attention?

I wouldn't want areas on specific tv/music/video games/books/movies to be pimped out more than they already are... if someone hasn't interfaced with the specific book or tv show, it's unlikely they will care. And it's okay for some areas to have a small fanbase... one day, someone, somewhere, might find it and like it. I got a compliment on one of my worst rated quizzes by such a player, who was happy to see something on the topic, lol.



Edited by malik24 (Wed Jan 09 2013 04:09 PM)

Top
#960125 - Wed Jan 09 2013 04:26 PM Re: Unpopular vs Popular categories [Re: gracious1]
salami_swami Offline
Forum Champion

Registered: Thu Nov 01 2007
Posts: 7752
Loc: Colorado USA
That's just the problem, gracious, the double-points offer was nice, but ratings plummeted. Authors were not too thrilled.

As stated by someone on this thread, as an author, I'd much rather wait 3 years for sufficient ratings and have it rated well than have 1,000 people play it, know nothing about it, and rate it poorly.


I don't think there's a "middle ground", where we can have some categories put on display to help get plays, and still maintain ratings. Unfortunately, it just doesn't work.

As malik said, sometimes authors get a compliment on a quiz written years ago about an obscure topic that was rated poorly. But someone out there appreciates it, and that one someone makes the entire quiz worthwhile. smile
_________________________
People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but *actually* from a non-linear, non-subjective viewpoint - it's more like a big ball of wibbly wobbly... time-y wimey... stuff.

Top
#960127 - Wed Jan 09 2013 04:46 PM Re: Unpopular vs Popular categories [Re: gracious1]
AlonsoKing Offline
Explorer

Registered: Sat Feb 25 2012
Posts: 91
Loc: Belgium
Originally Posted By: gracious1
But getting back to the double-point quizzes, I'm sorry I missed out on that opportunity when it was available. It sounds like a great idea, although I see what happened in the execution.


Correct me if I'm wrong but I was under the impression that double point quizzes still exist, they're just not on the list anymore. You have to look for them yourself (< 20 ratings) and score at least 5 correct.

Top
#960130 - Wed Jan 09 2013 05:22 PM Re: Unpopular vs Popular categories [Re: gracious1]
kyleisalive Offline
Forum Champion

Registered: Mon Mar 07 2005
Posts: 5514
Loc: Toronto, Canada, eh!
Quote:
I got a compliment on one of my worst rated quizzes by such a player, who was happy to see something on the topic, lol.


This, I find, is the most rewarding anything, ever.

Quote:
I don't think there's a "middle ground", where we can have some categories put on display to help get plays, and still maintain ratings. Unfortunately, it just doesn't work.


This is pretty much it. The minute we elevate a quiz to the 'play me' status, a quiz-takers is being somewhat forced into it-- double points or not-- and we risk lower rating. Of course, we also risk higher rating too. You never know.

Quote:
Correct me if I'm wrong but I was under the impression that double point quizzes still exist, they're just not on the list anymore. You have to look for them yourself (< 20 ratings) and score at least 5 correct.


Yup-- provided the quizzes have been online long enough. I certainly have some in my quiz list.
_________________________
Senior FT Editor (Video Games, Television, Music, and Entertainment)
Chat Board Moderator (Author's Lounge)
Amazing Trivia Race Taskmaster/Commission Hander-Outer

Top
#960131 - Wed Jan 09 2013 05:24 PM Re: Unpopular vs Popular categories [Re: gracious1]
looney_tunes Offline
Multiloquent

Registered: Tue Jan 20 2009
Posts: 2923
Loc: Briar Hill Victoria Australia 
You can still get double points for playing such quizzes, but it is not advertised. Players who take the effort to find the quizzes by scouring the site are more likely to make the effort to provide a fair rating than are players who are just cruising down a list to get cheap points, and who want to rush on to the next one as fast as they can.

The Forgotten Gems link does address this issue of overlooked quizzes to some extent - they don't offer special points, but do draw attention to the existence of interesting quizzes hidden around the site.
_________________________
(Editor in Humanities, Literature and Books For Children)
That's all, folks!

Top
#960167 - Wed Jan 09 2013 09:21 PM Re: Unpopular vs Popular categories [Re: gracious1]
gracious1 Offline
Mainstay

Registered: Tue May 01 2012
Posts: 645
Loc: New York USA
Okay, hang on! This is news to me! Do all quizzes under 20 ratings give you double points? Or are they just quizzes that have been online a certain period?

It does seem like it would be very difficult finding quizzes that meet the criteria.


Edited by gracious1 (Wed Jan 09 2013 09:22 PM)

Top
Page 1 of 2 1 2 >

Moderator:  agony, gtho4