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#987838 - Wed Jun 12 2013 01:14 PM Time for a a Mind Melt Champ div?
Terry Offline

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For players with the "won your division" and mega badge? (so the harder competition is no extra burden on them). Thoughts?

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#987839 - Wed Jun 12 2013 01:28 PM Re: Time for a a Mind Melt Champ div? [Re: Terry]
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I like the idea of champs games for those who attained everything, but should maybe Champs be a slight variant of the game, similar to WaI where Champs always only play hard? I could imagine 15 items per set, 75 or 80 per correct answer instead of the usual 100. There is a higher maximum potential, but this is offset by the longer time needed and the higher chance to go wrong.

This way, playing Champ would also be a reward, not just a burden - and with the modified score, any Mind Melt scores for stage games / challenges should remain comparably difficult when looking at the 2400-2800 range.

Thoughts from other pro Mind Melters?


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#987841 - Wed Jun 12 2013 01:29 PM Re: Time for a a Mind Melt Champ div? [Re: Terry]
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While we're at it - can we adjust WaI Champ mode to look at the 50,000 Whozit badge instead of the 5,000 one? Maybe those between 5k and 50k could play in a semi-champ level against their own peers.
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#987842 - Wed Jun 12 2013 01:34 PM Re: Time for a a Mind Melt Champ div? [Re: Terry]
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If MM champs could only play in Difficult mode, would that negate the MM Daily Challenge which asks for X answers in any mode? This is what happens when I play WAI. I might be allowed to play in any mode for the challenge, but I seem to only be able to play in Timed mode.
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#987843 - Wed Jun 12 2013 01:39 PM Re: Time for a a Mind Melt Champ div? [Re: Terry]
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Actually, the X answers challenge would likely be a freebie for a few times until it has adapted. In my hypothetical difficult mode, you can have up to 45 correct, so initially, 28 to 30 should be easy pie. Of course once you played a few times, it will adjust upwards to reflect your champ mode skill level.
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#987845 - Wed Jun 12 2013 01:54 PM Re: Time for a a Mind Melt Champ div? [Re: Terry]
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Wes, how would the scoring for team points be affected by your proposed modification? It's too early in the morning for me to think it through carefully. I play the game because I love it, and pit myself against the game, not against other players. The satisfaction of working it out would be even greater with more items to sort, but since I am already rather slow and rely on getting all 30 right (usually in 180-200 seconds) to have a good ranking and score for the team, I wouldn't want to see my slowness result in a lesser contribution to my team's score. How would 45 right in 270-300 seconds score as compared to what I now can expect to get?
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#987847 - Wed Jun 12 2013 02:03 PM Re: Time for a a Mind Melt Champ div? [Re: Terry]
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And what kind of score would daBomb's 45 in 130 seconds be? wink
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#987848 - Wed Jun 12 2013 02:04 PM Re: Time for a a Mind Melt Champ div? [Re: Terry]
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Actually, with 45 in 300, you'd beat a 30/200.

45 x 75 = 3375, less 600 = 2775.
30 x 100 = 3000, less 400 = 2600.

With the higher difficulty (more similar words to contend with), you might count on getting two wrong, so

43 x 75 = 3225, less 600 = 2625.

Scores for most players (except for the absolute top) should thus remain in the same range or actually increase a bit.

(BTW: I'm retracting the 80. It would overinflate the champ score. 75 is sweet-spot.)
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#987849 - Wed Jun 12 2013 02:07 PM Re: Time for a a Mind Melt Champ div? [Re: Terry]
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45 x 75 = 3375, less 260 = 3115. Although I'd rather estimate 150-170 seconds (it's not a linear increase in time since you not only need to play more words but also scan more answers for each), so just over 3000.
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#987850 - Wed Jun 12 2013 02:12 PM Re: Time for a a Mind Melt Champ div? [Re: Terry]
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I don't think I like the idea of Champs having a completely different game than the rest. I'd keep it at 30 questions, personally.
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#987851 - Wed Jun 12 2013 02:15 PM Re: Time for a a Mind Melt Champ div? [Re: Terry]
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Yeah, keeping it simple. If we mess with other requirements, it complicates daily challenges, ascension stuff, etc etc. I'm just talking about moving those who have done it all away from the noobs.

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#987855 - Wed Jun 12 2013 02:21 PM Re: Time for a a Mind Melt Champ div? [Re: Terry]
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Which is wonderful! Some of us can score 30 in 130 seconds and still get 12th place. Depressing sometimes. wink
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#987856 - Wed Jun 12 2013 02:23 PM Re: Time for a a Mind Melt Champ div? [Re: Terry]
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It was an idea to maybe increase interest in a champ game - I don't know if it could be made optional, but I'd like to play larger and thus tougher sets sometimes (some 10-sets can be solved by pure linguistics without any actual vocabulary knowledge: Pair the only adverbs, pair the only verbs, then identify the bone and drug by ending, and so on).

Larger groups could make this less frequent.
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#987858 - Wed Jun 12 2013 02:27 PM Re: Time for a a Mind Melt Champ div? [Re: Terry]
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My one gripe with standard champ games is they are strictly a disadvantage for champs (Lower placings) while not offering anything cool in return. They're great for the non-champs (who are the majority of players, so it's good to have them),but less so for those who won it all. Of course we could also alleviate this with a badge or two specifically for champs.

How about "Champ of Champs": Any top 10 place in a champs division (over all games) gets you some points, using the Formula 1 grid of 25-18-15-12-10-8-6-4-2-1, dailies double the amount. Catch 10,000 Champ points to win.

(This counts ALL Champion play, hourly and daily, even Expert. If you play Champ and get top 10, you score.)


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#987860 - Wed Jun 12 2013 02:32 PM Re: Time for a a Mind Melt Champ div? [Re: Terry]
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I like the idea of giving champs some incentive to be champs.

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#987861 - Wed Jun 12 2013 02:32 PM Re: Time for a a Mind Melt Champ div? [Re: Terry]
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If we were to do that with Mind Melt, though, wouldn't we have to put a badge or two in EVERY champs game, for fairness? I think that's adding a lot of unnecessary badges (as much as I'd LOVE to win the easy game one). wink
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#987862 - Wed Jun 12 2013 02:34 PM Re: Time for a a Mind Melt Champ div? [Re: Terry]
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No, it would be a single badge (or two), where all of the different champ divisions help you get to the reward.

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#987863 - Wed Jun 12 2013 02:37 PM Re: Time for a a Mind Melt Champ div? [Re: Terry]
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Oh, oh, oh, gotchya.

Then that sounds great. laugh
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#987867 - Wed Jun 12 2013 02:42 PM Re: Time for a a Mind Melt Champ div? [Re: Terry]
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Yes, that was the idea. You want to be in as many champ games as you can to accelerate towards this badge, but you can get your first points even with one single measly expert win to your name (and thus get hooked for more smile )

Making it span all champs divisions keeps the number of badges under control and yet makes any additional champs rank something good to have since it will help you onward.
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#987880 - Wed Jun 12 2013 04:22 PM Re: Time for a a Mind Melt Champ div? [Re: Terry]
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I think it's a great idea to do something for champs rather than just sequestering us from the game and having us beat each other up (viz. Daily Game sets 11 & 12). I like the idea of Champ Points as outlined -- at least there's some benefit for continuing to play games where all the badges have been won.

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#987882 - Wed Jun 12 2013 04:27 PM Re: Time for a a Mind Melt Champ div? [Re: Terry]
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Love the Champ of Champs badge. I find myself fairly goal driven on FT so I love having something to work towards smile
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#987890 - Wed Jun 12 2013 05:32 PM Re: Time for a a Mind Melt Champ div? [Re: Terry]
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And I love the idea that I can just keep playing the games I love (and the ones I play for team points) and eventually get there. smile
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#987908 - Wed Jun 12 2013 08:53 PM Re: Time for a a Mind Melt Champ div? [Re: WesleyCrusher]
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Originally Posted By: WesleyCrusher

How about "Champ of Champs": Any top 10 place in a champs division (over all games) gets you some points, using the Formula 1 grid of 25-18-15-12-10-8-6-4-2-1, dailies double the amount. Catch 10,000 Champ points to win.


Could you rephrase this? Can't parse. Thanks.

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#987916 - Wed Jun 12 2013 09:17 PM Re: Time for a a Mind Melt Champ div? [Re: Terry]
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I love the idea, and it is certainly time. But, I fully encourage having the 50,000 badge be part of the criteria. A lot of us got a bit screwed in WAI with having all of the rest of the badges and bumped to Champions, while others not winning the badges specifically as to get to the 50,000 badge before having to deal with the Champion group. It really has been a bit frustrating.
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#987920 - Wed Jun 12 2013 09:26 PM Re: Time for a a Mind Melt Champ div? [Re: Terry]
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Agree 100% with all of Wes's posts. And please include the 50,000 badge as part of the criteria.

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