Who Am I - Content Issues

Posted by: looney_tunes

Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Jun 29 2013 05:51 PM

The entry for Julia Gillard will need to be changed, as she is now a former Australian Prime Minister. If there is one for Kevin Rudd, he is no longer a former PM, but the current one. Descriptions such as these are pretty high-maintenance. Perhaps they should be changed to read something like "Became Australian prime Minister in [year]", which will always be a true fact no matter how things change in the future.



Please put corrections & comments for the Who Am I? game here.

previous thread is here: http://www.funtrivia.com/forums/Who_Am_I_Content_Issues
Posted by: nautilator

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Jun 30 2013 05:14 PM

Tom Stoppard
Your answer: British screenwriter; playwright; ' Rosencrantz & Guildenstern Are Dead' & 'Shakespeare in Love'

There's an extra space after the first quote mark.
Posted by: MiraJane

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Jul 17 2013 09:06 PM

Originally Posted By: AlonsoKing
Found a time dependency in today's 'Who Am I' but then I saw it was already reported a while ago:


Originally Posted By: Midget40
German Pontiff; current head of the Catholic Church

Your answer: Pope Benedict XVI

This question will either have to be reworded on this or a different answer provided


Apparently it hasn't been fixed yet so I thought I'd report it again. The question was in today's set 15, (if that's helpful).




If this hasn't been corrected yet, could it *please* read Roman Catholic Church?
And could all entries relating to the church that is headed by the one that calls himself Pope & resides in Vatican City say *Roman* Catholic?


Thanks.
Posted by: tan72

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Aug 13 2013 01:43 PM

Small spelling mistake. The question was 'New Zealand born former premier of Queensland' the answer should be Sir Joh Bjelke-Petersen not 'Jo' (his name is short for Johannes).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joh_Bjelke-Petersen
Posted by: eyhung

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Aug 14 2013 01:21 AM

Got Sir Jimmy Savile again today in set 30.
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon Aug 26 2013 05:35 AM

Michael Voss - Australian former Aussie rules footballer; current coach of the Brisbane Lions

He has just been sacked from the Brisbane coaching position. Since coaches come and go quite regularly, it might be better to describe him as a former player, Brownlow medal winner, three-time premiership captain, six-time All Australian team member, etc.
Posted by: gtho4

Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Aug 27 2013 02:19 AM


Appointment of new editor

After a long innings, JMElston has retired as editor of W.A.I. Thank you to JMElston!

His replacement is looney_tunes, who has agreed to take over the reins and keep the database upto date (and correct errors posted in this thread). She can also add-in new entries.

Please make her welcome!
Posted by: rossian

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Aug 27 2013 02:47 AM

Well done to JME for his hard work. Good luck, L_T - you're a glutton for punishment.
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Aug 27 2013 03:39 AM

Ah well, if I'm going to play the game (and I will, because it counts as a team game), I might as well try to make the entries accurate. smile I have already addressed my own latest entry about an inaccurate description, and am in the process of checking all recent posted queries to ensure they have been addressed.

Someone has asked about the criteria applied for adding a person's initials to the answer as a clue. I can now see that there is a list kept of names with very low rates of correct response, and I assume that it would be the basis for adding initials. If you see an entry with initials included that you think is not appropriate, please post here and I will investigate it.

Also, please note that this thread only pertains to the entries for each person, not to the combinations that appear. The mechanics of the game need to be addressed in the Feedback Forum.
Posted by: flopsymopsy

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Aug 27 2013 05:08 AM

Ooh, well done LT! smile

Perhaps there should be a new entry in WAI...

Looney-Tunes USA-born Aussie-resident mathematical word cruncher extraordinaire.
Posted by: spanishliz

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Aug 27 2013 07:07 AM

Congrats and good luck, Looney-Tunes!
Posted by: MiraJane

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Aug 27 2013 10:28 AM

JMElston,

Thank you for your years of hard work maintaining and updating the database.

looney_tunes, congratulations on taking over the monster that Who Am I? is.
Posted by: JanIQ

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Aug 27 2013 10:38 AM

Good luck, LT.

Thanks to JME for the several years of maintenance.
Posted by: agony

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Aug 27 2013 10:45 AM

Many thanks to JME for his hard work. Welcome LT
Posted by: mehaul

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Aug 27 2013 11:55 PM

Could "JM Elston, Editor Emeritus of the Who Am I Fun Trivia Game" be added to the database? I believe there are, or used to be, some editors acknowleged in the game.

Best of experiences hoped for LT.
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Aug 28 2013 04:32 AM

I have been updating some entries, and would greatly appreciate it if anyone who spots a time-dependent definition (currently, etc.) could post the name of the person here. I need to know the name to see the corresponding definition, so cannot just find and replace all such entries. I would like to make them all factual descriptions that won't change over time, but don't know which ones are currently time-dependent.
Posted by: paul4760

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Aug 28 2013 10:33 AM

Congratulations L_T, don't who anything I wouldn't who.
Posted by: HairyBear

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Aug 28 2013 03:45 PM

Thank you for taking on the task, looney_tunes.

I honestly had no idea who Jimmy Savile was before seeing his name in this thread. Now that I know, I would suggest retaining his name in Who Am I is appropriate, just add a comment to the end of his description, something like "noted pedophile" or "posthumously revealed to be a sexual predator of children". The second one is a bit lengthy for the descriptions in Who Am I, but you get the idea.
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Aug 28 2013 05:17 PM

I have removed him, as his name is associated with distressing personal events for many people, who have registered their concern. Since he is not a major international figure (I'm not about to remove Hitler because of World War II), there is little loss from removing him.
Posted by: bisaacs90

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Sep 06 2013 11:18 AM

Set 1 of today's Who am I has two correct answers for one of the questions. In a hurry, I picked (admittedly) the worse of the two answers, but it isn't wrong.

"Draco" is also the name of a fictional wizard created by J.K. Rowling.
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Sep 06 2013 03:45 PM

I'm planning to remove fictional characters from the list, as this game is supposed to be about real people. One of the reasons for trying to have more precise descriptions, rather than a number of currently generic descriptions that would fit many people (former football player, for example) is to avoid precisely this problem.
Posted by: rossian

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Sep 10 2013 08:35 AM

The author and former SAS soldier is Andy McNab, with only one 'b' at the end, not two as shown in the set I played today.
Posted by: MiraJane

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Sep 11 2013 11:05 PM

In today's set 24:


8. Name by which Mary Katherine Horony Cummings, Hungarian-born American common law wife of Doc Hollida


I'm guessing the letter Y is missing from Doc Holliday's name, along with a ?
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Sep 12 2013 12:32 AM

Wow, I haven't ever seen that one before! It's clearly missing "y is known" (no question mark, as this game has descriptions, not questions). Can you tell me the name that it is matched with? I cannot directly look up descriptions to fix them, so I need to know what name it goes with.
Posted by: flopsymopsy

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Sep 12 2013 04:59 AM

LT, she's called Big Nose Kate. grin
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Sep 12 2013 05:21 AM

I was actually able to look her up by googling the description. But the principle remains valid that I won't always be able to do that - telling me the problem with the description won't always make it possible for me to locate the entry and fix it. As I have noted before, there are an awful lot of 'British TV presenter" entries (although I hope to make them more precise over time).
Posted by: Chavs

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Sep 12 2013 11:54 AM

Sept 12th: Easy - Question Set 1 - Q3
One of the options says "changed to British archaeologist & paleoanthropologist famed for his discoveries in Kenya's Olduvai". I presume "changed to" is a typo?
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Sep 12 2013 12:57 PM

I got Louis Leakey in my own set, and have already deleted those words, so future players today should not see them - the final word Gorge also appears again.
Posted by: Chavs

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Sep 12 2013 01:18 PM

Speedy! smile
Posted by: George95

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Sep 12 2013 05:49 PM

I just played that, and I still saw the changed to part.
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Sep 12 2013 09:41 PM

Today's sets may already be cached - it will almost definitely be right by tomorrow. I have seen other changes coming through that quickly.
Posted by: MiraJane

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Sep 12 2013 10:24 PM

Originally Posted By: looney_tunes
Wow, I haven't ever seen that one before! It's clearly missing "y is known" (no question mark, as this game has descriptions, not questions). Can you tell me the name that it is matched with? I cannot directly look up descriptions to fix them, so I need to know what name it goes with.



I'm sorry. I didn't want ot give the answer away in the set that was being being play currently! That's why I didn't give Big Nose Kate. Now I know how to report mistake here.
Posted by: Chavs

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Sep 13 2013 04:11 AM

Seeing that, perhaps I should just clarify that the 'changed to' typo was not a correct answer to the question, there was no Leaky in the set, it was one of the incorrect options offered.
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Sep 13 2013 07:08 AM

It doesn't really matter - if you don't identify your set, naming the subject and the description that needs amendment won't really affect much. Some players see the name and have to select the description, some see the reverse; any given name or description could come up more than once in any given set. If you don't identify your set, you aren't revealing much. If it makes you more comfortable, you could wait 24 hours (although then some other set may well include the pairing). Or send a Pm to me, rather than posting here. The value of posting here is that others can see that the issue has been raised, so I don't get 150 messages about the same information.

Yesterday st least three different sets included Louis Leakey. And it may have been the correct answer in one of them, for all I know. Since this thread is mostly used by players who have already completed their set and are reporting an issue, it makes little difference. If anyone (really!) takes the time to check this out for clues before they play, they are taking this whole trivia thing far too seriously. It is rare for there to be more than one entry here a month - right now as I am overhauling the entries, there are more because of all the changes going on, but it should settle down again soon.
Posted by: pyonir

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Sep 13 2013 01:56 PM

This one appears to have been cut off at the end:

"Scottish politician; Labour MP represented West Lothian and Linlithgow; autobiography 'The Importanc"

Correct answer is Tam Dalyell

Full name of autobiography is "The Importance of Being Awkward"
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Sep 13 2013 06:09 PM

That has been fixed.
Posted by: George95

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Sep 14 2013 08:28 PM

Here's another one that I came across today.

changed to British soprano; BBC opera producer; directed Wexford Festival Opera 1982-1994

It was an incorrect answer, but Google tells me it is Elaine Padmore.
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Sep 14 2013 10:01 PM

Spotted and fixed, thanks. I had a bad copy-and-paste session one evening!
Posted by: Julia103

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon Sep 16 2013 08:47 PM

Here's another one: "changed to UK politician; first Presiding Officer of the Scottish Parliament (1999-2003) = (Sir David Steel)"

And "African-American civil rights activist; refusal to give up her bus seat in 1965 sparked the Montgome = (Rosa Parks)" cuts off the description, presumeably this should be sparked the Montgomery bus boycott.
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon Sep 16 2013 08:54 PM

Both fixed now, thanks.
Posted by: halekotsi

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Sep 19 2013 09:05 AM

From yesterday's set 21, the description for Archie Gemmill was cut off at the end. Apparently he scored a famous goal against the Net, which is not uncharacteristic for a soccer player.
Posted by: TimBentley

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Sep 20 2013 09:32 AM

Australian swimmer; first swimmer to win gold in the same event at three successive Olympics (100m w

Dawn Fraser's description
Posted by: Lones78

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Sep 22 2013 04:10 AM

Not sure if it's appropriate to still have Rolf Harris in the mix? It doesn't bother me, but it may cause offence to others - considering the past few months...
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Sep 22 2013 04:41 AM

I thought I'd wait until there was a court decision, not just allegations. If there has been a conviction, I haven't heard of it yet - I would appreciate being informed here if that is the case.
Posted by: rossian

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Sep 22 2013 04:46 AM

'Innocent until proven guilty'. It hasn't yet reached even the first stage of court proceedings, but he has been formally charged.
Posted by: TimBentley

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Sep 22 2013 10:58 PM

Another cut-off description:

Scottish soprano opera singer; debuted as Pamina in Australian Opera Company's 'The Magic Flute' in = (Isobel Buchanan)
Posted by: MiraJane

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Sep 26 2013 09:30 PM

Another cut off on the end:


1. Miles Franklin
Australian female writer (1879-1954); 'My Brilliant Career'; established a literary award in her nam
Posted by: TimBentley

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Sep 26 2013 11:09 PM

talian artist; developed Chiaroscuro technique

I don't know who this is; it was a wrong answer from set 17, question 3.
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Sep 27 2013 12:26 AM

I know, because I recognise the description modification, and will fix him shortly.
Posted by: pyonir

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Oct 01 2013 05:34 PM

lt - you mentioned removing fictional characters and only going with "real people"; what about race horses? Are those going to stay, since they aren't people? Just curious if you'd want us to point those out to you when we come across them.

Thank you, and congrats on the appointment! smile
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Oct 01 2013 07:13 PM

Horses are going, too, as I discover them - I would certainly appreciate having them pointed out.
Posted by: MiraJane

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Oct 02 2013 12:44 AM

This has the very short word of tu at the end of the description -

Australian tennis player ranked No. 1 amateur in 1956; member of four victorious Davis Cup teams; tu = (Lew Hoad)
Posted by: MiraJane

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Oct 02 2013 12:45 AM

Originally Posted By: looney_tunes
I thought I'd wait until there was a court decision, not just allegations. If there has been a conviction, I haven't heard of it yet - I would appreciate being informed here if that is the case.



Do you search by the name of the subject?

I had Affrimed in yesterday's game, if that helps any.
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Oct 02 2013 01:18 AM

Yes, I need the name, then I can locate them and do whatever is necessary.
Posted by: pyonir

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Oct 02 2013 04:24 AM

Fictional character in William Shakespeare's 'Twelfth Night'

answer: Viola
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Oct 02 2013 04:44 AM

thanks smile
Posted by: Midget40

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Oct 02 2013 10:33 AM

Don't suppose there's any chance of removing a heap of adjectives from some of the descriptions?

Like actors who cant just be actors (which is what they are known for) but have to be directors, screenplay writers,singer, songwriter, muscian, musical producer etc etc

Or am I the only one that this annoys? It slows me down when I'm trying to read quickly.
Posted by: Chavs

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Oct 02 2013 11:36 AM

I thought the multiple descriptors were an integral part of the game.

(I hope some fictional characters stay. I like getting them. And the racehorses. It adds a bit of fun.)
Posted by: spanishliz

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Oct 02 2013 11:40 AM

Originally Posted By: Chavs
I thought the multiple descriptors were an integral part of the game.

(I hope some fictional characters stay. I like getting them. And the racehorses. It adds a bit of fun.)


I agree with Chavs entirely. Racehorses are athletes, just as much as hockey players and footballers.

The multiple descriptors are extra clues, as far as I can tell, not distractions.
Posted by: zippolover

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Oct 02 2013 11:46 AM

Originally Posted By: pyonir
Fictional character in William Shakespeare's 'Twelfth Night'

answer: Viola


but, but these are the ones that I often get right
Posted by: Chavs

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Oct 02 2013 11:54 AM

Me too!!
Posted by: MiraJane

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Oct 02 2013 05:19 PM

Originally Posted By: Chavs
I thought the multiple descriptors were an integral part of the game.

(I hope some fictional characters stay. I like getting them. And the racehorses. It adds a bit of fun.)


I like the fictional characters & racehorses too. Some of them are more well known than the people in this game.

And the extra descriptors help! I don't know who all the actors or actresses are but sometimes I have heard of other things they have done in their lives.

Suzane Somers is an actress as famous for the thigh master, her books, and her skin care (or makeup?) line as for being in some sitcoms.
Posted by: Midget40

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Oct 03 2013 01:16 AM

I'm not taking about people who do DIFFERENT things I'm talking about the fact that every actor seems to be classed as a director as well ( they may have directed one movie) and a multitude of other things all related to the movie industry.

A singer these days also seems to have to be a performer, a dancer, a songwriter and musical producer as well

Some of these descriptions can have 6 or 7 adjectives which drive me nuts.

When I see the name of someone like Tom Hanks I'm looking quickly down the line to find a description that says something about an American actor not every other little thing he's tried his hat at.

It's just my opinion and obviously not shared by others which is fine.

P.S. I also like the fictional characters
Posted by: rossian

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Oct 03 2013 01:22 AM

Set 28 today has three 'giveaways', which I, personally, don't like. Last time I queried the inclusion of initials, I was told to be thankful, but I prefer more of a challenge.

For the record (these are only partial wordings):

Initials ST = Sylvanus Thayer

Initials AG = Andrew Grove

Known for the Fred Hollows Foundation = (unsurprisingly) Fred Hollows

These are valid people to include but I'd had thought the descriptions could be reworded.
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Oct 03 2013 01:57 AM

The initials people have been added to my list, and the initials will be removed - if there isn't anything else distinguishing to say about someone, they shouldn't be there. Fred Hollows is already on my list - but it has hundreds of entries, mostly definitions like "English actress & TV presenter" that could apply to a zillion different people. As I come across them during play, I am putting them on the list to try and find a more personalized description. It just takes time to do the research and decide what to say in the limited space that is available.

If Tom Hanks gets onto my list, the new description would be American actor and then name a film. Deciding which one is the most recognizable will be the hard part. smile
Posted by: rossian

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Oct 03 2013 05:35 AM

It sounds a huge task. Good luck with it.
Posted by: shuehorn

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Oct 03 2013 06:45 PM

I thought the initials were added to entries that were sufficiently obscure that people had trouble getting them right. They don't bother me, but then I am not one of the wizzes at this game.

I like the fictional characters and the racehorses. I hope they don't disappear.

Sue
Posted by: mehaul

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Oct 04 2013 03:50 AM

Long may Rin Tin Tin be appearing as a "Who Am I?" item. There were only a handful of more famous performers than the Rin in his prime. Is Lassie going to be sent to the relatives' farm upstate too?
Posted by: rossian

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Oct 04 2013 08:44 AM

Dr John H. Watson, fictional character, turned up in my set today.
Posted by: zippolover

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Oct 06 2013 06:09 AM

Today I got Greyfriars Bobby (a dog) and Fal(l)ine (a fictional deer)

I am just reporting these, but to be honest, would prefer the animals to stay. I find them far more interesting than random soap stars.
Posted by: HairyBear

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon Oct 07 2013 07:01 PM

I'd be in favor of keeping the fictional characters and famous horses/dogs, too. I won't get Archie Gemmill (who?), but I'll get Darth Vader!

I have noticed the improvement in descriptors already, looney_tunes, so good job.

One request I would make no one has mentioned yet is when there are multiple job descriptions for actors, musicians, etc., that the title of the movie, tv show, book, or song that s/he did be identified as such. It probably won't help me any; if I don't know who the person is, knowing that s/he appeared in "Over the Waterfall" won't make any more sense than knowing that s/he directed in "Over the Waterfall" or wrote "Over the Waterfall", but it would still be nice to know which one it was.
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon Oct 07 2013 07:50 PM

Adding the name of a movie, TV show, book, musical composition, etc. is part of the process I have in mind. Usually only one per person, so deciding which one for some of them is a lot harder than it is for one-hit wonders. Word count restrictions mean that I can't always fit in exactly what the individual did, but I have been trying to do so where possible. I personally find it frustrating to be told that someone is a pop or rock musician without knowing either a group they performed with or a song they sang on. I may not know it the first time I see the individual, but I can try to recognise it the next time.
Posted by: rossian

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Oct 08 2013 02:36 AM

A couple more which could probably benefit from rewording:

Rudolf Diesel - part of the description is 'inventor of the Diesel engine'

John Dalberg-Acton - 'first Baron Acton' is included in the answer option
Posted by: supersal1

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Oct 08 2013 03:56 AM

Alan Jay Lerner
Your answer: American author; Tony & Oscar-winning lyricist; 'Brigadoon', 'Camelot' & 'My Fair Lady'

The 'American author' part is a real red herring, I started reading the description and initially discounted that answer because of it. If I see 'Author' in the description I'd expect it to describe someone who's written a book!

Just my twopennorth worth but I can't see what's wrong with the animals and fictional characters either. Doesn't hurt to have an easy question in the mix sometimes.
Posted by: Chavs

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Oct 08 2013 08:43 AM

I didn't know that the diesel engine was invented by someone called Diesel. At least, not until I came to FunTrivia. Things that might look like giveaways to some, might just be educational to others or -- laugh dare I say it tongue wink - just plain fun and games! Is it ok if the game is configured for fun and not a test? ;D Please? smile smile Ok, I'll butt out now.
Posted by: rossian

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Oct 08 2013 09:09 AM

That's a fair comment, but maybe something like 'inventor of a heavy oil engine' would be better than a wording that repeats his name.
Posted by: MiraJane

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Oct 08 2013 09:16 AM

Originally Posted By: rossian
That's a fair comment, but maybe something like 'inventor of a heavy oil engine' would be better than a wording that repeats his name.



It's not his fault the engine was named after him.

What about Mr. Fokker, the airplane designer? If the descriptor was "designed fighter planes", that is simply too vague a description.
Posted by: rossian

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Oct 08 2013 10:09 AM

I don't mind easy, but I can't see what challenge there is in reading a clue which gives you the answer.

A clue which says 'Dutch designer of Fokker aircraft' is a giveaway, in my opinion and not worth asking. 'Dutch designer of aircraft which bear his name' isn't, but narrows it down sufficiently. That's my opinion, anyway.

Each to their own, but this is a trivia site, asking questions, not just giving information.

I'm sure Looney_Tunes will deal with it as she thinks fit.
Posted by: rossian

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Oct 09 2013 05:47 AM

My set today included Aslan, the fictional lion from Narnia.
Posted by: Tizzabelle

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Oct 09 2013 06:35 AM

I have no firm view on the animals but it is a bit silly when the clue is 'race horse', the answer is Phar Lap, and the other answers are Einstein, Nixon, Picasso, Brönte and Depp. wink
Posted by: MiraJane

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Oct 09 2013 10:36 AM

Until playing Who Am I?, I'd never heard of Phar Lap.
Posted by: JanIQ

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Oct 09 2013 10:45 AM

Me neither. That has filled a gap in our knowledge.
Posted by: froggyx

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Oct 10 2013 08:25 AM



Today's Question Set 24 (Hard)


Dorothy Gale

Your answer: Fictional character; heroine of 'The Wizard of Oz'
Posted by: Julia103

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Oct 10 2013 06:28 PM

changed to Dutch 16th century cartographer; navigator known for his exploration of the Arctic lookin = (Willem Barents)

(another "changed to" and end of description is cut off)
Posted by: halekotsi

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Oct 11 2013 08:30 AM

I can definitely see how it would be a whole lot of work to come up with something more specific to distinguish all the footballers and cricketers, but I long for the day when that happens. Ugh.
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Oct 11 2013 03:01 PM

Working on it, but there are an awful lot of them!
Posted by: bluestocking

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Oct 12 2013 09:04 PM

Today's question set 23 (timed) contained "Kosh Naranek: Fictional character, Vorlon ambassador on TVs 'Babylon 5.'" While I do love "Babylon 5," I'm doing my duty and reporting him!
Posted by: rossian

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon Oct 14 2013 01:56 AM

The description for Glenda Jackson includes 'current Member of Parliament', which is still correct but is time dependent and won't be true for much longer as she has already announced that she'll be standing down at the next election.
Posted by: zippolover

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon Oct 14 2013 05:30 AM

Jesse W. Reno

Your answer: American inventor of the escalator; initials are JWR
Posted by: TimBentley

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon Oct 14 2013 09:24 PM

merican-born Greek operatic soprano; known for her three distinct vocal registers

Presumably this is the description for Maria Callas.
Posted by: Midget40

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Oct 15 2013 10:12 AM

"Welsh writer; actor; documentary film maker = (Kenneth Griffith); changed to Welsh actor; documentar"

Had this today which is presumably a change that's been made and still managed to keep both sets of text
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Oct 15 2013 11:41 AM

Now it says "Welsh actor; documentary film maker; 'The Public's Right to Know'", which was the intended change.
Posted by: spanishliz

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Oct 15 2013 03:23 PM

Wow, of all the films I associate with Kenneth Griffith, that is the one that would be least useful to me. Why leave out the fact that he's a writer? I associate him with his history of the siege of Ladysmith at least as much as with his films.
Posted by: Chavs

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Oct 16 2013 06:01 PM

Wonky sentence for what I think should be Catherine Cookson's definition:

Quote:
prolific English author (1906-1998); many books adapted for film & TV, including 'The Black Velvet G
sic
Posted by: zippolover

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Oct 24 2013 01:16 PM

Lesley-Anne Down

Your answer: English film & TV actress
Posted by: pyonir

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Oct 25 2013 02:54 PM

Fictional character one:

Meredith Grey

"Fictional character; female surgeon on TVs 'Grey's Anatomy' played by Ellen Pompeo"
Posted by: zorba_scank

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Oct 25 2013 10:01 PM

English astronomer; observed 'Baily's beads'

Ans. Francis Baily
Posted by: zorba_scank

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Oct 27 2013 01:05 AM

American novelist; 'Two Years Before the Mast'; initials are RHD

Richard Henry Dana Jr.
Posted by: rossian

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Oct 30 2013 04:19 AM

Member of the Brecker Brothers - Michael Brecker.
Posted by: zorba_scank

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Oct 31 2013 10:52 PM

British conductor; President of the London Symphony Orchestra; initials are CD

Colin Davis
Posted by: rossian

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Nov 01 2013 02:48 AM

I had the fictional Vicar of Dibley in my set today - Geraldine Granger is the answer.
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Nov 01 2013 03:40 AM

I'll see if I can change that to be part of the Dawn French description.
Posted by: mehaul

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Nov 01 2013 10:06 AM

American photographer
Your answer: Minor White


Kinda bare on the ID? How about adding MIT Prof/Photography 66-76?

He was there in Cambridge when Edwin Land built Polaroid into a giant. They must've met. During this time Harold Edgerton of strobe photography fame, was teaching photography at MIT. He was also a curator of the George Eastman Estate in NY state.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minor_White
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Nov 01 2013 03:43 PM

Thanks, I hadn't seen his name yet - now to fit the information into 100 characters (makes me understand why the database has so many incredibly brief entries, as deciding what to include as the most memorable facts can be tricky).
Posted by: rossian

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Nov 03 2013 03:32 AM

Two from my set today:

Racehorse - Makybe Diva

Initials PF - Perry Ferguson

Sorry if they've been mentioned before - I don't have time (inclination) to plough through the whole thread.
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Nov 03 2013 03:38 AM

I just add everything to my list,and check it when I get there- all information is useful.
Posted by: HairyBear

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon Nov 04 2013 12:34 AM

Dutch sailor; explorer; lead second European group to land in Australia

Your answer: Dirk Hartog

Should be "led". Not sure why it has become common (mis-)practice to spell the past tense of lead like the past tense of read.
Posted by: rossian

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Nov 05 2013 12:18 PM

The entry for Michael Bryant includes his initials.
Posted by: pyonir

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Nov 07 2013 04:25 PM

Fictional Character:

Fictional character; mascot & iconic cover boy of Mad Magazine

Alfred E. Neumann
Posted by: rossian

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Nov 08 2013 12:27 PM

Tommy Cannon = English comedian: 'Cannon and Ball'. This could be reworded as 'English comedian: partner to Bobby Ball', which would be less of a giveaway.
Posted by: pyonir

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Nov 09 2013 12:45 AM

Raphael Semmes has his initials at the end
Posted by: rossian

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Nov 09 2013 08:13 AM

Fictional character - Archie Andrews
Posted by: mehaul

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Nov 09 2013 09:52 AM

L_T,
Please don't change this game. I thought before it offered a name and we had to see if we knew the owner of that name whether it was real or imagined, human, animal or fiction (I wondered why some place names weren't part of the mix). It was laid out in a standard format too: ethnic descriptive followed by some particulars (ie, Scottish-American engineer, famous bridge - not: Engineer of bridges from Scotland and America). I have seen a couple now that state mid descriptive that a USA background attaches to the answer. The related countries were always in the fore. And the trailing initials usually were part of extremely obscure answers. I often take an extra moment on a guess answer to scan the right side of the answers to see if there is a matching set of initials. Takes me a little longer, sure, it is easier but I pay the time penalty for that. I learned some names that way. Too often on a wrong guess it is easy to ignore the correct answer when it follows that big red X. Much more informative to do the learning by the question itself.

This is just a request to limit changes in the game to corrections of typos, wrong origins and such just as JMElston did before. Please don't build a whole new game.
mehaul
Posted by: flopsymopsy

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Nov 09 2013 10:25 AM

Mehaul, some of the previous descriptions of family background, national origins, etc were wrong. It was not correct, for example, to call Rudyard Kipling "Indian-born" simply because he was born in India. It's fine to say he was a British author born in India, but not right to imply he was ever Indian. Salman Rushdie on the other hand was Indian born but is now British. Looney_Tunes is doing her best to correct these issues within a very limited space but they do need correction even though many earlier requests were ignored.

Many of these issues arise because the people concerned were born in the days of the British Empire but there are also issues stemming from pre-WWII Europe, when there were many more groups of people with one nationality living in countries with another. I don't know how LT has decided to refer to Kafka, for example, but saying he was a Czech is wrong, even though he was born and lived in Prague. But if he was described solely as German without any reference to his Czech residence then this would be equally confusing.

Solving some of these issues doesn't lend itself easily to the old format. 'Indian-born British writer' may be correct for Rushdie but for Kipling it's not quite right - whereas 'British writer born in India' is correct for both of them.

Looney_Tunes will no doubt produce a consistent format over time but it will take time to do this. In the meantime, as players we have to get used to the occasional hiccough while the errors are corrected and the best method of incorporating change is worked out - but in the end we should have an even better game.
Posted by: mehaul

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Nov 09 2013 12:14 PM

Why did you choose such a world traveler as Kipling as an example? He was practically a Green Mountain Boy from his time living in Vermont, USA. And though I cannot find records of it, he must have resided (vacationed?) for a short time (like Sebastian Junger did to write "The Perfect Storm") in Gloucester, Massachusetts to pen "Captains Courageous". I'd hardly expect any of that to show up in a 50 text character resume. But the India born bit is good to help people understand his background for his two "Jungle" series of work.
Posted by: flopsymopsy

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Nov 09 2013 12:22 PM

I chose it because the old FT description said Indian-born but in British English that implies he was either an Indian or had Indian nationality, whereas he was the British child of British parents who happened to be in India at the time of the Raj. So saying he was 'born in India' is correct, implying that he had ever been Indian is not.
Posted by: Emma058

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Nov 09 2013 03:08 PM

Here is one: Immanuel Kant
Born 22 April 1724
Königsberg, Kingdom of Prussia
(now Kaliningrad, Russia)
Died 12 February 1804 (aged 79)
Königsberg, Kingdom of Prussia

So rather than have him German, that means that by today's land borders, he would be Russian.

Most would say Immanuel Kant was a German philosopher.
Posted by: HairyBear

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Nov 09 2013 11:51 PM

9. Northern Irish political activist; youngest woman elected to Britsh Parliament

Your answer: Bernadette Devlin McAliskey

"i" left out of British


10. Soviet military commander; WWII hero; lead the suppresion of the Hungarian Revolution

Your answer: Ivan Konev

should be "led" once again, and an "s" left out of suppression

Minor, I know, but you can add them to the list.

Mehaul, I agree with you in principle, but you've arrived late in the game. The removal of the fictional and animal names has been going on for quite some time already.
Posted by: rossian

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Nov 10 2013 02:07 AM

The game is called 'Who Am I', not 'What Am I', so I'm in agreement with the animals being removed. There are plenty of real people to include, without having fictional ones and (as I've said previously) I'm not keen on descriptions which give away the answer. If the person is worthy of inclusion, there should be a way of describing them without needing to use their initials, or repeat their name in some way. I'm glad to see the game evolving.
Posted by: mehaul

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Nov 10 2013 03:28 AM

There are two versions of the game, one easy, one hard. The easy one shouldn't have clues. The hard one should have them when necessary.
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Nov 10 2013 04:23 AM

The two 'versions' draw their questions from the same pool of names and definitions. The selection is based on apparent difficulty according to the proportion of correct identifications in recent play, which is a dynamic statistic, so every name could potentially appear in both pools. (I am not familiar with the actual algorithm used, so cannot say for sure, but I expect that there are actually three ranges of questions, with easy and medium success rates being drawn on for the easy game,and medium and hard for the hard game, but that is pure speculation.) This means that every description has to be suitable for both games.

The changes that have been made recently involve expansion of information, not change of question format. Previously, there were far too many descriptions that were generic,and could apply to many people. This is a problem when two of them appear in the same set of names. It won't be two with exactly the same description (you'll only get one Australian former cricketer at a time), but similar descriptions can appear - British film & TV actress could appear along with English TV & Film actress, for example. That is an unfair 50-50 decision when including a bit more information (within the 100 character limit) could make it clear which one is appropriate for the name in the question.

Not all entries start with the country of origin, although the overwhelming majority do, and that still applies. Removal of initials is not simply removing them - it involves rewriting the description to make it easier to identify the person without having to resort to initials. This should reduce the number of guess answers, and allow players to learn about the people as they play, assuming they take the time to read the description and don't just match on the basis of nationality.

It is most constructive to offer here the specific names that you encounter with which you have some issue, since I need to enter a specific name in order to access the description in the database.
Posted by: pyonir

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Nov 10 2013 04:36 AM

Fictional character - Hazel-Ra
Posted by: zorba_scank

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Nov 10 2013 07:53 AM

Monica Dickens - English writer; great-granddaughter of Charles Dickens
Posted by: mehaul

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Nov 10 2013 11:14 AM

Thank you L_T for the reassurance that the games will remain essentially the same. And, thank you for fixing some of the errors. I hope you understand I know that not all changes please everyone all the time. I only wanted to express that if all the 'reported errors' are acted on, the game would be different.
I always was led to believe by JME's postings that the easier game came from a separate database. If they don't then my thoughts on clues was errant.
Posted by: rossian

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon Nov 11 2013 03:32 AM

Two more for your list:

John Dee - his initials are in the question

Alexei Sayle - his name is part of the question
Posted by: glendathecat

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Nov 12 2013 11:16 AM

Here's I. M. Pei.
Chinese-born American architect; designed Louvre Pyramids; Rock&Roll HoF

Not sure I like the contraction of Rock 'n' Roll Hall of Fame to beat the guillotine on number of characters but the semi-colon after Pyramids should make him an inductee of the Hall of Fame rather than its designer.
Posted by: rossian

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Nov 12 2013 11:29 AM

Jesse Chisholm's description has a reference to the Chisholm trail in it.
Posted by: glendathecat

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Nov 14 2013 12:14 PM

Percival Lowell - Initials in question.
Posted by: rossian

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Nov 15 2013 02:14 PM

Fictional character - Lorna Doone
Posted by: mehaul

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Nov 15 2013 03:25 PM

Minor White - American photographer; taught at MIT; curator of George Eastman House; co-founder of 'Aperture'

Nicely done L_T.
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Nov 15 2013 07:42 PM

Thank you, mehaul.
Posted by: rossian

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon Nov 18 2013 09:43 AM

I had a good set today, with four which would benefit from rewording:

Charles Halle - founded Halle orchestra

Charles Hambro - Baron Hambro

Chas Hodges - singer with Chas and Dave

Neils Abel - Abelian groups
Posted by: rossian

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Nov 19 2013 10:45 AM

Two more for review, L_T:

Joseph Louis Lagrange - discovered Langrangian Points

Harry G. Selfridge Sr. - founder of Selfridge's store
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Nov 19 2013 11:28 AM

I got those in today's set and noted them, thanks.
Posted by: glendathecat

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Nov 19 2013 04:14 PM

Vincent Lopez - Initials in question.
Posted by: bluestocking

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Nov 23 2013 11:54 AM

In today's question set 17 (difficult) I had Johann Strauss I, described as "Austrian composer; father of Johann Strauss II."
Posted by: rossian

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Nov 26 2013 08:56 AM

Georg Ossian Sars - definition includes 'son of Michael Sars'. Mind you, I was glad to see that as I'd never heard of him!
Posted by: bluestocking

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Nov 27 2013 04:59 AM

Today's Question Set 16 (difficult) identifies Elihu Yale as "British East India Co. agent; founder of Yale University."
Posted by: rossian

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Nov 28 2013 10:37 AM

Odd Aukrust - brother of Kjell Aukrust.
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Nov 28 2013 12:51 PM

I'm none the wiser - he's going to the top of the list instead of the bottom, as I am intrigued to find out more.
Posted by: Tizzabelle

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Nov 28 2013 12:55 PM

Originally Posted By: rossian
Odd Aukrust - brother of Kjell Aukrust.

Originally Posted By: looney_tunes
I'm none the wiser - he's going to the top of the list instead of the bottom, as I am intrigued to find out more.

You will let me know if Odd's sibling's name is Even, won't you? wink
Posted by: MiraJane

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Nov 28 2013 01:51 PM

Who besides me looked up the information for Odd, Kjell, and cousin Tor?
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Nov 28 2013 03:11 PM

Haven't got time to work up a new description until at least this evening when I get home from work, maybe tomorrow morning if I am as exhausted this evening as in previous nights this week - but I will post it here. I will also check if any of the others have entries, and what modifications might be needed for them. It has surprised me to find a number of people identified by relatives who aren't listed in their own right.
Posted by: rossian

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Nov 28 2013 04:06 PM

Uncle Olav looks the most interesting one of the Aukrust family, although they'd none of them appeared on my radar until today.
Posted by: pyonir

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Nov 30 2013 03:51 AM

Fictional character - Bathsheba Everdene
Posted by: rossian

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Dec 04 2013 05:18 AM

A new one to me:

August Krogh - Danish zoophysiologist; developed the Krogh principle
Posted by: Upstart3

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Dec 04 2013 05:38 AM

I got this one today.

Edna Pontellier - "Fictional character; female protagonist of 'The Awakening' by Kate Chopin"
Posted by: froggyx

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Dec 06 2013 03:53 AM

today's set 20

Modesty Blaise
Posted by: JanIQ

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Dec 08 2013 06:52 AM

Two issues in today's set.

"Rudolph Isley" - his name is mentioned in the description.

"Dennis Ritchie": the description mentions his initials.
Posted by: MiraJane

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Dec 08 2013 08:54 PM

From today, an extra set of ( ) around the last name:

Jamaican-born female singer-songwriter; 'My Boy Lollipop' = (Millie (Small))
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Dec 08 2013 09:53 PM

The brackets are there because she is often known simply as Millie. they do look strange to my eye, because I think of her as Millie Small, so I think I'll remove them.
Posted by: MiraJane

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Dec 14 2013 12:09 AM

This entry is outdated because he is no longer the prime minister of Thailand -


8. Thai politician; economist; current (27th) Prime Minister
Your answer: Abhisit Vejjajiva
Posted by: rossian

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon Dec 16 2013 11:33 AM

Two from today's set 28 where the descriptions give away the names -

David H. Levy and Justin S. Morrill
Posted by: glendathecat

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Dec 19 2013 06:32 AM

English writer; brother of Dame Edith Sitwell
Your answer: Sir Osbert Sitwell

Sir Osbert Sitwell = (English writer; brother of Dame Edith Sitwell)
Posted by: glendathecat

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Dec 20 2013 04:19 PM

Mildred Hill
Your answer: American songwriter of the melody of 'Happy Birthday, to You'; Hill Foundation
Posted by: glendathecat

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Dec 26 2013 04:42 PM

Dwight F. Davis
Your answer: American former tennis player; politician; founder of the Davis Cup
Posted by: rossian

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Dec 28 2013 05:32 AM

Fictional character - Lestat de Lioncourt
Posted by: rossian

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Jan 02 2014 10:00 AM

Fictional character - Fitzwilliam Darcy
Posted by: glendathecat

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Jan 04 2014 07:22 AM

William Etty
Your answer: English painter of historical & classical subjects; initials are WE
Posted by: rossian

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Jan 04 2014 12:02 PM

Dorothy Wordsworth - description includes 'sister of William Wordsworth'.
Posted by: pyonir

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Jan 08 2014 05:36 PM

Joseph Louis Lagrange - His description is missing an "I" at the start. Unless he's just a "talian" tongue

and

Nicholas Monsarrat - Initials in the answer.
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Jan 08 2014 06:13 PM

I got both of those today, and they have been changed.
Posted by: MiraJane

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Jan 11 2014 11:18 PM

The question/ descriptive is missing a )


11. East Timorese former militant; politician; first President (2002-2007; became Prime Minister in 2007
Your answer: Xanana Gusmao
Posted by: rossian

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Jan 14 2014 07:55 AM

Two from my set today:

Larry Niven - description includes his initials

Michael Valentine Smith - fictional
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Jan 14 2014 11:58 AM

We played the same set. laugh
Posted by: rossian

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Jan 14 2014 12:10 PM

I usually check that, too, but I forgot today. Ah well, at least I know I won't see them again!
Posted by: mehaul

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Jan 14 2014 01:33 PM

Nooo! Hope to see them again but in an acceptable form.
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Jan 14 2014 01:51 PM

Initials disappear, and the description adjusted to provide appropriate information (if necessary - not in this case). Fictional characters go - this game is about real people. I am keeping a file of them, in case a decision is ever made in the future to restore them.
Posted by: mehaul

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Jan 14 2014 07:49 PM

Can't the fictionals be turned around as answers to who the author was if that author doesn't have an entry? Sorry if I missed that that is the standard practice.
Thanks for the extra work of building a file on the "gone but not forgotten"s.
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Jan 14 2014 11:43 PM

Authors have entries, but it usually lists the book title, not the name of one of their characters.
Posted by: HairyBear

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Jan 15 2014 02:08 AM

Some authors, especially mystery writers, are better known for the name of their character than the names of their books. Just an observation.
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Jan 15 2014 02:21 AM

Of course - and that's how they would be identified,especially for authors whose books have different titles when published in different countries. The point is that the names are those of real people, with enough information to allow players to identify them. Not just "English mystery writer", but "English mystery writer; created Hercule Poirot & Jane Marple", for example. But an entry for Hercule Poirot as "fictional Belgian detective created by Agatha Christie" would be deleted.
Posted by: HairyBear

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Jan 15 2014 03:26 PM

Once you have enough names accumulated, it might be interesting to have a subsidiary game, Who Am I (fictional). Of course, you could go crazy with the 100K names of characters from TV shows and movies. I wouldn't know one name from Upstairs, Downstairs, but apparently the show had a huge following and a hundred different characters milling about. Still, I think Sherlock Holmes is important enough to merit his own game.
Posted by: nautilator

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Jan 17 2014 06:34 PM

Ella Fitzgerald
American Jazz singer; nicknamed 'The Queen of Jazz'& 'The First Lady of Song'

A space is missing before the &.
Posted by: rossian

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Jan 18 2014 10:48 AM

Martha J Coston - her description needs rewording as her name appears in the thing she invented, which is part of it.
Posted by: rossian

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon Jan 20 2014 10:34 AM

I was going to mention Donner and Tulloch but I'm guessing you'll already have spotted them!
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon Jan 20 2014 11:51 AM

Absolutely.
Posted by: Julia103

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon Jan 20 2014 01:28 PM

Ahura Mazda - this is the name of a deity, not a person
Posted by: rossian

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Jan 21 2014 10:35 AM

Stephen Fry's description includes 'member of Fry and Laurie'.
Posted by: rossian

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Jan 22 2014 11:55 AM

An odd one today - the name just says 'Isley', no first name, and the answer includes 'member of the Isley Brothers'.
Posted by: mehaul

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Jan 22 2014 06:50 PM

Elizabeth II
Your answer: British royalty; current head of the UK & Commonwealth

The 'current' will prove wrong at some point. Why not fix it now?
Is the Commonwealth the end of the answer? There are Commonwealths she has nothing to do with. Should that read British Commonwealths?
Posted by: flopsymopsy

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Jan 22 2014 07:26 PM

I'll leave it up to LT to decide if she wants to remove the word 'current'. However, the Commonwealth's full title is the 'Commonwealth of Nations' and not the British Commonwealth - and its accepted short form is simply to be called 'The Commonwealth'. It's pretty clear which Commonwealth is meant by its proximity to the 'UK' - no one would assume that means 'head of the UK and Commonwealth of Massachusetts' or anywhere else.
Posted by: mehaul

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Jan 22 2014 08:21 PM

I thought you guys in England would be abed by now smile
Posted by: pyonir

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Jan 31 2014 06:32 PM

Joseph Henry - Initials are in the description.
Posted by: pyonir

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon Feb 10 2014 04:16 AM

Christopher Cockerell was knighted in 1969. I've seen "Sir" before a lot of the others, so wasn't sure if he should have "Sir" in front of his name as well. Posting, just in case.
Posted by: rossian

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Feb 14 2014 11:46 AM

I had Arkle in my set today.
Posted by: pyonir

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Feb 14 2014 03:37 PM

Elizabeth II

Says "current" in the description. You mentioned early in the topic you wanted to be notified of these.
Posted by: pyonir

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon Feb 17 2014 03:06 PM

Frank Bridge - initials are in the description.
Posted by: rossian

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Feb 26 2014 12:20 PM

Ferde Grofe - initials are in the description.
Posted by: nautilator

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Feb 28 2014 10:39 AM

Margaret Thatcher
Your answer: British politician; former Prime Minister; now a Baroness

"Now" seems a bit outdated.
Posted by: MiraJane

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Feb 28 2014 11:44 AM

Originally Posted By: nautilator
Margaret Thatcher
Your answer: British politician; former Prime Minister; now a Baroness

"Now" seems a bit outdated.



I'm sorry, but this made me laugh. blush
Posted by: Julia103

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Feb 28 2014 08:25 PM

Marjorie Joyner
African-American businesswoman; inventor; maybe the 1st African-American woman to receive a patent

According to African American Women Inventors: Historical the first patent granted to an African-American woman was in 1885. Marjorie Joyner's was in 1928.
(The "maybe" caught my attention, so I went looking.)
Posted by: ssabreman

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Mar 07 2014 11:27 AM

12. Australian singer-songwrite of Greek descentr; guitarist for Michael Jackson's 'This Is It' tour

Looks like the 'r' went for a moonwalk.
Posted by: pyonir

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Mar 09 2014 12:33 AM

Dirk Pitt - Fictional character.
Posted by: ozzz2002

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon Mar 17 2014 07:22 PM

Quote:
Merican politician (1754-1807); 1st president of University of Georgia
Your answer: Abraham Baldwin

Should be 'American'.
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon Mar 17 2014 08:23 PM

Got him today, already fixed.
Posted by: DomiNeyTor

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Mar 18 2014 08:30 PM

Kosh Naranek - fictional character
Posted by: MiraJane

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Mar 18 2014 11:26 PM



13. Albert Gallatin

The correct answer was Swiss-American ethnologist; linguist; politician; diploma; longest serving Secretary of the Treasury


I think the T is missing at the end of diploma.
Posted by: ozzz2002

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Mar 20 2014 07:09 PM

Byron Foulger
Your answer: Scottish neoclassical architect (1728-1792); interior & furniture designer



The correct answer was American stage, film & TV actor; Mr Gurney & Wendell Gibbs on 'Peticoat Junction'

Typo- 'Petticoat'
Posted by: halekotsi

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Apr 12 2014 07:53 AM

Bobbie Gentry's first name was misspelled "Bobby" the other day.
Posted by: rossian

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun May 04 2014 01:45 AM

I haven't seen one of these for a while, which proves what a good job you've done L_T, but I had Claire Chennault today, with her initials in the description.
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun May 04 2014 02:13 AM

Hers will disappear shortly. smile
Posted by: spanishliz

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun May 04 2014 07:48 AM

Umm, Claire Chennault was a "he" who led the Flying Tigers. See here:

http://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/clchenna.htm
Posted by: rossian

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun May 04 2014 08:07 AM

Oops!
Posted by: mpkitty

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu May 08 2014 02:23 PM

I had this one today, should there be more?

"English lighthouse keeper's daughter famed for heroic 1838 rescue of survivors of the shipwrecked Fo" = (Grace Darling)
Posted by: MiraJane

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri May 09 2014 09:47 AM

Originally Posted By: mpkitty
I had this one today, should there be more?

"English lighthouse keeper's daughter famed for heroic 1838 rescue of survivors of the shipwrecked Fo" = (Grace Darling)


Yes. "... survivors from the shipwrecked Forfarshire in 1838."
Posted by: rossian

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri May 09 2014 12:38 PM

Today's set had a racehorse named Bernborough.
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri May 09 2014 03:17 PM

Originally Posted By: MiraJane
Originally Posted By: mpkitty
I had this one today, should there be more?

"English lighthouse keeper's daughter famed for heroic 1838 rescue of survivors of the shipwrecked Fo" = (Grace Darling)


Yes. "... survivors from the shipwrecked Forfarshire in 1838."

That is obviously one of my earliest updates, before I realised the character limit on entries. It has now been amended to fit!
Posted by: zorba_scank

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat May 10 2014 01:18 AM

Arthur Holly Compton

American physicist; Nobel Prize-winner; discovered the Compton Effect
Posted by: Julia103

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon May 12 2014 09:28 PM

Nellie Stewart
ustralian stage actress; known for comic operetta work; Nell Gwynne in 'Sweet Nell of Old Drury'

Should be Australian (initial letter was cut off).
Posted by: mpkitty

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue May 13 2014 12:13 PM

Today the description was: British singer-songwriter; married to Heidi Klum

The answer was Seal, but it should say "formerly" married to Heidi Klum.
Posted by: glendathecat

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed May 14 2014 02:41 PM

Carl Keenan Seyfert
Your answer: American astronomer; Seyfert galaxies are named after him
Posted by: rossian

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun May 18 2014 02:01 PM

I assume you noticed Eric Morecambe's description needed a reword, L_T.
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun May 18 2014 02:04 PM

Yep.
Posted by: rossian

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun May 18 2014 02:34 PM

I don't know why I asked, really!
Posted by: rossian

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon May 19 2014 01:51 AM

Johan Jakob Balmer's description includes his surname.
Posted by: pyonir

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon May 26 2014 05:46 PM

John McDouall Stuart - Australian explorer; most accomplished & famous of all Australia's inland explorers

According to his Wikipedia page, Stuart was born in Scotland. He didn't emigrate to Australia until he was 23. Wouldn't that make him a Scottish explorer? At least should be referred to as "Scottish born", no?

Just thought I'd point it out.
Posted by: pyonir

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri May 30 2014 02:15 PM

Johann Cruyff

According to his Wiki page and official Twitter account, his name is actually spelled with one "n". Johan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johan_Cruyff
https://twitter.com/JohanCruyff
Posted by: sue943

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Jun 06 2014 02:46 AM

I have just received the following DM from a member...

Quote:


I was playing "who am I"; so frustrated cause there is no area to report problems with a question at the bottom of the quiz as reported in FAQ's.

I do recall I was playing 'easier' level, set 7 I believe.

Anyway the question referred to Rosa Parks sparking the Montgomery Bus Boycott but the year referenced in the question was 1965, the correct year should have read 1955!

An event as important ought have the proper historical placement.

Hope you can forward this note to those responsible for making corrections.
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Jun 06 2014 03:25 AM

I will change that entry immediately!
Posted by: sue943

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Jun 06 2014 06:16 AM

Many thanks.
Posted by: HairyBear

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Jun 10 2014 03:59 AM

Shergar the race horse was still in the system a day or two ago. I actually don't mind the racehorses, but since you've taken out all the others...

Are there duplicates in the system? I sometimes get the same name a few days apart but with a different description, and I wonder if you've made a change or if the person is in there twice.

Are you at all interested in new names? I have no way of knowing whether the names I suggest are already in the system, of course, so that could be a bit of work checking.
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Jun 10 2014 12:59 PM

I will remove Shergar.

I can't actually see the entire database, just call up entries by entering the name. I assume this means that there is a single listing for each person! Since I make changes, you could get the same name two days in a row with different descriptions, for sure.

I haven't yet worked out how to add names - what I thought would work didn't when I tried it. Since there are already so many names, I haven't been too worried about additions, but do have a short list of names I noticed weren't there when I looked to see how they were described. If there are names you would like added, post them here and I will (a) check to see if they are already there; (b) try to sort out how to make additions.
Posted by: rossian

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Jun 12 2014 03:22 PM

Quote:
English singer-songwriter; with her husband Tony Trent wrote many hits for Petula Clark & others


This is the description for Jackie Trent. Her husband was Tony Hatch, not Trent.
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Jun 12 2014 04:33 PM

I knew that. blush
Posted by: pyonir

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon Jun 16 2014 03:00 PM

Leopold Stokowski

Current description says: "Anglo-American conductor; 'Fantasia'"

If he was born and raised in London, shouldn't he be a British conductor, or at least British-born as some other descriptions say? From his Wiki he didn't come to the US until he was 23yo.
Posted by: JanIQ

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Jul 05 2014 07:52 AM


"8. British royalty; current head of the UK & Commonwealth".

This description (from set 23) will go stale soon, I suppose. The person in question ascended the throne in 1952.
Posted by: spanishliz

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Jul 05 2014 08:05 AM

Given that her mother lived nearly to the age of 102, perhaps not as soon as you think. smile
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Jul 05 2014 03:41 PM

I'm prepared to change it when it does go stale, but it works for now. Her successor's entry will need to be changed at the same time, whenever it is.
Posted by: flopsymopsy

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Jul 05 2014 04:07 PM

My sister and The Queen are the same age, give or take a month or two, and my sister shows no sign of "going stale" any time soon.
Posted by: nautilator

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Jul 06 2014 09:31 AM

A couple of fictional critters: Gumby, Indiana Jones, Horatio Hornblower.
Posted by: nautilator

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Jul 16 2014 12:09 PM

Also, Bagheera and Christopher Robin.
Posted by: Chavs

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Jul 16 2014 12:15 PM

Christopher Robin is real! smile

And so is bagheera, as far as I am concerned.
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Jul 16 2014 01:02 PM

I think the fictional characters must be easy to guess - I've never seen these ones in the sets I play!
Posted by: flopsymopsy

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Jul 16 2014 02:10 PM

Christopher Robin was definitely real, a real boy with a real bear. There's a picture of them both here.
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Jul 17 2014 12:45 AM

But the current description refers to the fictional character. I will be amending it this weekend.
Posted by: rossian

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Jul 18 2014 01:11 PM

The descriptions for both David Plowright and Annie Ross need a bit of work, L_T.
Posted by: nautilator

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Jul 19 2014 04:32 PM

Andrew Carnegie is listed as "American industrialist; philanthropist" -- he was born in Scotland, so wouldn't Scottish-American be better?
Posted by: pyonir

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon Jul 21 2014 03:59 PM

Darryl Somers

His first name is actually only spelled with one "r".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daryl_Somers
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0813838/

Thanks!
Posted by: mehaul

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon Jul 21 2014 09:16 PM

Gumby isn't real?
Posted by: nautilator

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Jul 22 2014 12:28 AM

Depends on who you ask.

Captain Queeg and Eleanor Rigby are problem children too.
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Jul 22 2014 01:43 PM

Rev. Chad Varah
Your answer: English Anglican priest; founder of the 'Samaritans'

He was the only religious person there so I got it right
Posted by: nautilator

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Jul 23 2014 11:20 AM

Another one today: Mary Poppins.
Posted by: Chavs

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Jul 23 2014 12:04 PM

AW, come on, you canNOT be serious. Lovely Merry Puppinz!!!?? Real. End of.
Posted by: nautilator

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Jul 23 2014 06:37 PM

Either that or she shouldn't be described as "fictional" smile
Posted by: mehaul

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Jul 23 2014 07:41 PM

I guess that means that Pokey and Mr. Bill aren't real. Wherefore Mr. Hand? My childhood is in tatters. Is Bob Keeshan real but not as Captain Kangaroo? Shouldn't the fictitious characters be allowed if their portrayers or creators are mentioned?
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Jul 24 2014 01:16 AM

I am happy to keep the creators, and the real-life person on whom a fictional character was based, but not the fictional characters. Bob Keeshan,for example, could be included and described as the actor who portrayed Captain Kangaroo. Fred Rogers would be harder to describe without using his surname.
Posted by: Julia103

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Jul 24 2014 05:56 PM

Originally Posted By: looney_tunes
Fred Rogers would be harder to describe without using his surname.

I'm not sure what the character limit is. Would "American children's TV show host, sang about his 'Neighborhood' " fit? (I loved Mr. Rogers when I was growing up.)
Posted by: flopsymopsy

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Jul 24 2014 06:42 PM

Please leave Fred Rogers' name in, for us non-Americans who never saw that show it would be impossible to guess without a big clue! smile
Posted by: nautilator

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Jul 25 2014 12:36 AM

Another one, from today's set: SpongeBob SquarePants. Won't miss him of all critters.

If you haven't, you may want to fish around a bit. If Bagheera was there, Baloo probably is. I know some the Greek gods (Zeus, Ares, Athena) used to be, as were a few horses (Secretariat, Red Rum, Seabiscuit?, Mine That Bird?). Haven't seen any of them recently though.
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Jul 25 2014 01:34 AM

I can't actually see what is there, I have to enter the name and then see, if it comes up, what the description is. So far, I have been kept busy enough with the changes that have been identified as needed, without going out of my way to find them. Spongebob will disappear this weekend. Most of the fictional and animal ones seem to come up in the easier set (not really surprising), as I don't see them when I play harder.

I'm not even sure that Fred Rogers is there - it was a hypothetical example of a name that would be hard to define for outsiders without using his name. Then again, I have managed something for an awful lot of entries that used to read "British stage actress; television presenter". You may not recognise the character or show, but at least it is something tangible that can be connected to the name and recalled in the future.
Posted by: flopsymopsy

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Jul 25 2014 05:50 AM

Fred Rogers is there... I think the description reads something like "... star of Mr Rogers' Neighborhood..." smile
Posted by: pyonir

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Jul 30 2014 03:03 PM

Oscar Kokoschka

According to the Guggenheim Museum and Tate Gallery websites, his first name should be spelled 'Oskar'.

http://www.guggenheim.org/new-york/collections/collection-online/artists/bios/1282
http://www.tate.org.uk/art/artists/oskar-kokoschka-1430
Posted by: goodreporter

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Aug 01 2014 03:43 PM

There is a problem with a question in today's game.
I played in question set 12. One of the questions asked who the current king of Spain was.
Since King Juan Carlos abdicated in favor of his son in June, the answer is no longer accurate. It needs to be changed to Felipe VI.
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Aug 01 2014 05:45 PM

Actually, these aren't questions, but descriptions. Juan Carlos is the name in the list, but the description will be changed to former king rather than current king. I will also check to see if Felipe is listed; if he is, I will change his description.
Posted by: HairyBear

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Aug 01 2014 05:46 PM


Here are some of the brightest conservative lights of the 20th century, mostly American but also a couple of Austrians. There are others, of course, but these are the ones I'm most familiar with. I haven't seen any of them pop up in Who Am I, but they should be in there. Perhaps Ayn Rand is in the "Easy" category.

William F. Buckley, Jr.: American conservative author, pundit, TV show host, founder & editor of National Review, and one-time candidate for NY mayor

Rush Limbaugh: American conservative radio talk show host and pundit; lightning rod for liberal hostility and anger

Barry Goldwater: American conservative politician, former senator from Arizona, former Republican candidate for president in 1964

L. Brent Bozell, Jr.: American conservative writer, brother-in-law of William F. Buckley, Jr., ghostwriter of The Conscience of a Conservative for Barry Goldwater

Ayn Rand: Russian-American female conservative novelist, philosopher, writer, public speaker; originator of Objectivism; Atlas Shrugged, The Fountainhead

Russell Kirk: American conservative political theorist, writer; The Conservative Mind

Milton Friedman: Jewish-American conservative economist, Nobel Prize winner, adviser to Ronald Reagan; A Monetary History of the United States, Free to Choose

Friedrich Hayek: Austrian-British conservative economist, author; pointed out the similarities of Naziism and Communism; The Road to Serfdom

Ludwig von Mises: Jewish-Austrian conservative economist based in the US, member of Austrian School; Human Action, Socialism, The Theory of Money and Credit
Posted by: mehaul

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Aug 01 2014 07:45 PM

Are nom-de-plumes acceptable? I should think that Samuel Clemens would be a good name but Mark Twain shouldn't be. Samuel Clemens - American chronicler of river life as Mark Twain. But not Mark Twain - American alias of Samuel Clemens, creator of Tom Sawyer.
Mark Twain: Fictitious name
Samuel Clemens: Real person

If so, the list above needs Ayn Rand changed to Alisa Rosenbaum - Russian American novelist published as Ayn Rand.



Edit to correct error in typing Clemens. Thanks Funsterhead.
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Aug 01 2014 07:56 PM

I still haven't worked out how to add names to the list, but will add these suggestions to my list of names I would like to add. Most of these descriptions are too long, and will need to be shortened - the limit is 100 characters including spaces.

Ayn Rand,Rush Limbaugh and Bary Goldwater are already in the game.

As I have mentioned before, there are not two separate pools for the easy and difficult games. There is a single pool, and Terry has in place an algorithm that uses the recorded difficulty of each name (percentage of players choosing correctly; I don't know if the algorithm considers picking the name from the description and picking the description given the name as being the same process, or independent) to make selections each day. They are not static, so names do move around.
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Aug 03 2014 01:41 PM

I always play difficult as I assume the easy will be mostly Americans
Posted by: rossian

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Aug 06 2014 12:45 PM

My set today included Arkle.
Posted by: HairyBear

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Aug 06 2014 01:25 PM

"Most of these descriptions are too long, and will need to be shortened - the limit is 100 characters including spaces."

I figured they were, but I wanted to give you plenty to work with.
Posted by: halekotsi

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Aug 06 2014 11:59 PM

Manute Bol -- Sudanese retired NBA basketball player

He's more than retired now, I fear. (RIP)
Posted by: pyonir

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon Aug 11 2014 03:37 PM

Hattie Caraway

The description says "first female US Senator"

It's my opinion that it should be changed to "first elected female US Senator".

She wasn't the first woman to serve in the US Senate, that was Rebecca Felton in 1922. She only served 2 days and was appointed to the position, but technically, she was the first female US Senator.

http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/briefing/women_senators.htm
http://bioguide.congress.gov/scripts/biodisplay.pl?index=F000069
http://bioguide.congress.gov/scripts/biodisplay.pl?index=C000138

Thanks for the consideration.
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Aug 17 2014 07:50 AM

Australian legendary cricketer; first man knighted for services to the game

Your answer: Sir Donald Bradman

The "Sir" kind of gives it away!
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon Aug 18 2014 04:55 AM

FitzRoy Somerset, First Baron Raglan
Your answer: British nobility; soldier; Field Marshal during the Crimean War
(could you make it any easier?)

Pope John Paul II (Karol Wojtyla)
Your answer: Polish cleric; former head of the Roman Catholic Church
(See above)
Posted by: flopsymopsy

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon Aug 18 2014 05:53 AM

Oh do give LT a break. She has to deal with a set of questions which will be used in games of varying difficulties without any indication in advance which questions will be used at what level - and some do have to be easy. On top of that she has to cater for a range of nationalities, some with a greater degree of ethnocentricity than others, and a range of topics, some of which (e.g. television shows/actors) aren't known worldwide.

So yes, the answers to some questions will seem obvious to everyone, that's what makes for an "easy" question, others will seem obvious to some but still obscure to others, that's where the percentages come into play. I'm pretty sure that almost everyone will know who the Pope was, but I bet you any money you like there are some Americans out there who don't know that 'Baron' is a title in the British nobility so whether they get that question right will partly depend on the other questions in the set. And without a heavy hint they're not going to get it at all. Raglan who? Crimean War? Field Marshal? WTH?
Posted by: mehaul

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon Aug 18 2014 07:11 AM

Yah, all us Yankees know there warn't no Crimean War. They'all just voted to quit without a shot fired recently. It was on CNN.
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon Aug 18 2014 04:52 PM

I am not giving instructions, just reporting as requested. There is no call to be so rude.
Posted by: mehaul

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon Aug 18 2014 05:39 PM

Rude? How does one interpret "... there are some Americans out there who don't know that 'Baron' is a title in the British nobility...". You had no part in that view lonely-lady and that is what my post replied to. If you were insulted by my response to that intimation, well I just don't think sorry works to fix anything. Perhaps opining that no nationalistic pejoratives even begin is a better input? I thought letting it slide with a chuckle was a fair way to respond.

edit to remove reference to game Controller.
Posted by: flopsymopsy

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon Aug 18 2014 05:58 PM

I wasn't being rude either, at least not intentionally. Sorry if you took it that way, lonely-lady. And mehaul's response was a suitable chuckle at my tongue in cheek casting of aspersions on Americans' knowledge of British titles or the Crimean War - feel free to cast similar aspersions on my knowledge of the US Civil War, which is probably 1000 times better since I've been on FT. I even know the names of Robert E Lee's horses, well two of them anyway.
Posted by: mehaul

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon Aug 18 2014 06:11 PM

(((group))) - Group hug!
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Aug 20 2014 06:12 AM

Madame de Stael
Your answer: Swiss female author; early 19th century European literary trendsetter

"Madame" Anne Louise Germaine de Staël was French born. "Madame" is not her name. I know of her because of her opposition to Bonepart.
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Aug 21 2014 09:54 AM

British comedian; film & TV actor
Your answer: Richard O'Sullivan
He was a child actor who successfully made it into adult acting. The original Robin Tripp in the 1970s sitcoms Man About the House and Robin's Nest.

and



US film & TV actress; Oscar-winning child star of the 70s; daughter of Ryan O'Neal; 'Paper Moon'
Your answer: Tatum O'Neal
answer given in question
Posted by: rossian

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Aug 22 2014 09:22 AM

The description for Jack Prelutsky includes his initials.
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon Aug 25 2014 01:51 PM

Scottish Queen who ascended to the throne when seven days old
Your answer: Mary I of Scotland

Also known as Mary Stuart, which would not hand it on a plate
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Aug 26 2014 04:45 PM

Gerald Cavendish Grosvenor, 6th Duke of Westminster
Your answer: British nobility; UK's next richest landlord after Queen Elizabeth II

All the wrong answers were females! Also his title is given

Dame Gracie Fields
Your answer: English-Italian singer; stage, film & TV actress; comedienne; 'Sally' & 'Stage Door Canteen'

Although she lived in Italy she was not Italian
Posted by: pyonir

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Aug 27 2014 04:33 PM

Denny McLain

His description says in part "...last to win 30+ games in a season"

While that's true and likely never to be accomplished again, it still could be. Depending on the room you have maybe mentioning he was the last in the 20th century? Or prior to 2014? I don't know, but probably should be changed, so thought I'd point it out.
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Aug 28 2014 01:30 AM

This database is more fluid than quiz questions - I expect to have to make periodic changes to a number of entries. I will see if I can fit a more permanent description into my character limit, though.
Posted by: pyonir

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Aug 28 2014 06:00 PM

Understood. thanks LT
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Aug 29 2014 08:20 AM

I got Gerald Cavendish Grosvenor, 6th Duke of Westminster and he was with all females again.
Posted by: paper_aero

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Aug 29 2014 09:53 AM

"...he was with all females again."

Some people just have a knack for it
Posted by: flopsymopsy

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Aug 29 2014 10:15 AM

All the money and all the women. But is he happy? wink
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Aug 29 2014 04:45 PM

The selection algorithm has been unchanged since Terry set it up. There is often a mix of genders, sometimes a single one being different and sometimes an even balance. Players in the easy game appreciate getting such significant pointers sometimes. Sometimes the nationality and/or occupation isn't enough to make a quick decision.
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Aug 30 2014 12:59 PM

I do not play the Easy Game
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Aug 30 2014 07:45 PM

But all entries can appear in either game - they move around according to the percentage getting them correct, and possible other considerations - only Terry knows for sure!
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Aug 31 2014 04:37 AM

I did not know that!
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Aug 31 2014 05:51 AM

American country music singer
Your answer: Skeeter Davis

I guessed right for a change, but a candidate for expansion?
Posted by: mehaul

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Aug 31 2014 09:57 AM

Mary Frances "Skeeter Davis" Penick may be a better posit since the "Skeeter Davis" part is only a nick name like "Captain Kangaroo".
Posted by: rossian

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Sep 07 2014 12:26 PM

Arkle needs to be removed. He appeared in set 29 today.
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Sep 07 2014 01:02 PM

I have tried to remove him before - when I enter his name in the box, his entry doesn't come up. It's still on the list to remove, but waiting for some technical assistance - Terry has more important things to do than investigate this minor glitch.
Posted by: glendathecat

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Sep 11 2014 02:00 PM

English poet; novelist; 'Vitai Lampada' & 'Mordred'; initials are HN
Your answer: Henry Newbolt
Posted by: JanIQ

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Sep 13 2014 10:21 AM

I've encountered Linda Nolan with the description "Irish singer, sings with the Nolans". There are two issues here: the family name is included in the description, and as far as my research stretches the group is no longer active. So maybe it has to be replaced with "former Irish singer" plus reference to one of their greatest hits.
Posted by: flopsymopsy

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Sep 13 2014 12:41 PM

I'm not sure she's a 'former' singer, she has worked a lot in musical theatre. How about "Irish singer; in successful group with several of her sisters" and leave the verb out of it. (That also gets you out of numbering the sisters as different sisters appeared at different times.)
Posted by: nautilator

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Sep 17 2014 10:38 AM

Can I suggest a slightly more detailed description for Friedrich Wilhelm Bessel?

German mathematician; astronomer; known for his 'function'
Posted by: pyonir

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Sep 18 2014 02:57 AM

Adolph Zukor

The description says he's an "American film producer".

He was born in Hungary and moved to the USA at 16 years old. Shouldn't the description say "Hungarian-born American film producer"? If there's room, of course.
Posted by: nautilator

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Sep 19 2014 03:44 PM

The description for Giovanni Battista Cima is very sparse. Can I suggest:

Italian Renaissance painter of madonnas; 'Baptism of Christ'; 'Madonna of the Arbour'
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Sep 19 2014 09:08 PM

Updated this morning - I will add your second painting to the description.
Posted by: Juggernaut314

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Oct 01 2014 09:11 PM

Maybe I'm missing the spirit of immortalizing someone I imagine was valued in the FT community, but even though the question was easy (considering the choices) this didn't really seem appropriate to me:

15. American FunTrivia chief Ed.; Bridgewater, NJ chief of detectives; Vietnam Vet; pilot; (1940-2003)
Your answer: Larry E. Worth Jr. (Gunslinger)
Posted by: spanishliz

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Oct 01 2014 09:27 PM

Including Gunslinger seems more appropriate to me than many others who are included without complaint. I don't imagine I'm the only one who would hate to see his name removed.
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Oct 12 2014 04:37 PM

Henry Handel Richardson

The correct answer was Australian female author's pen name; wrote 'The Getting of Wisdom' (1910)

Pen name is not a real name.
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Oct 17 2014 04:50 PM

American typist; commercial artist; inventor of Liquid Paper; mother of Mike Nesmith

Your answer: Bette Nesmith Graham
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Oct 19 2014 06:07 AM

American film & TV actress; Principal Secret cosmetics; Pam Ewing on 'Dallas'

Your answer: Victoria Principal
Posted by: Emma058

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Nov 19 2014 02:41 PM

2. English football player; managed West Ham United 1961-197 & English national team 1977-1982

Your answer: Ron Greenwood

Peter Carl Goldmark = (Hungarian-born American engineer with CBS; inventor of the long playing record)
Christopher Plummer = (Canadian stage, film & TV actor; 'The Sound of Music')
Ron Greenwood = (English football player; managed West Ham United 1961-197 & English national team 1977-1982)
Jacques Tati = (French film actor; screenwriter; director; 'Mon Oncle' & 'Playtime')
Arthur Wellesley = (Anglo-Irish soldier; statesman; first Duke of Wellington)
Sir Harry Secombe = (Welsh singer; actor; comedian; former 'Goon')

The end date for 197 is missing.
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Nov 28 2014 04:29 PM

Zelda Fitzgerald
Your answer: American novelist; wife of F. Scott; 1920s icon

"wife of F. Scott" gives it away
Posted by: trident

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Nov 28 2014 11:28 PM

Originally Posted By: lonely-lady
Zelda Fitzgerald
Your answer: American novelist; wife of F. Scott; 1920s icon

"wife of F. Scott" gives it away


Isn't that kind of the point? It doesn't list his last name so you have to have outside knowledge to answer the question.
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Nov 29 2014 12:49 AM

I plan to leave that one. You have to know who F. Scott is for it to be a giveaway, it's not as if it says wife of F. Scott Fitzgerald. What seems like a giveaway to one player, because of their knowledge base, may still be quite mysterious to another. And some may be looking for someone with the surname of Keyes.
Posted by: nautilator

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Dec 11 2014 10:17 PM

English female author; first novel ?Evelina? published in 1778
Your answer: Fanny Burney

Looks like those question marks should be quotes.
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Dec 12 2014 04:44 PM

Christopher Eccleston
Your answer: English stage, film and TV actor; the 9th Dr. Who

The character that he played is "The Doctor"
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon Dec 15 2014 09:50 AM

Palestinian-American assassin of US Senator Robert F. Kennedy
Your answer: Sirhan B. Sirhan

He claims not to have done it
Posted by: JanIQ

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon Dec 15 2014 11:55 AM

But he was indeed convicted.
Posted by: pyonir

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Dec 23 2014 04:44 PM

Joseph Grimaldi - the initials are in the description for him.
Posted by: nautilator

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Jan 01 2015 12:43 PM

I'd like to suggest a more elaborate description for Norman Jaffe. Maybe American architect; pioneered contemporary residential architecture; designed over 50 beach houses on Long Island
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon Jan 12 2015 03:59 PM

June Whitfield
Your answer: British radio & TV actress; 'Terry and June'

She was more recently in "Absolutely Fabulous" and has been in films too
Posted by: nautilator

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Jan 14 2015 06:47 PM

Suggestion for Ogden Nash: American humorist and poet known for his light verse.
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Jan 14 2015 07:21 PM

He was added to the update list for this weekend when I got him yesterday.
Posted by: nautilator

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Jan 15 2015 09:11 PM

It looks like the description for Otto Lilienthal omitted a semicolon (after The Glider King).
Posted by: nautilator

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Jan 18 2015 02:30 PM

Suggestion for Marv Albert: American radio & TV sportscaster, "the voice of basketball"
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon Jan 19 2015 01:14 AM

Thanks for that - I hadn't come across his entry.
Posted by: nautilator

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon Jan 19 2015 05:03 PM

Another one, Tony Hawk: American skateboard star; first person to land a 900

(may or may not want to include "degree revolution" at the end of that)
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Jan 24 2015 05:51 AM

Peter Sutcliffe
Your answer: English serial killer; 'The Yorkshire Ripper'

I thought I read somewhere that murders were being removed?
Posted by: MiraJane

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon Jan 26 2015 01:10 AM

Originally Posted By: nautilator
Another one, Tony Hawk: American skateboard star; first person to land a 900

(may or may not want to include "degree revolution" at the end of that)




I thought 900 referred to a score, which shows how little I know about skateboarding.
Posted by: HairyBear

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Jan 27 2015 10:42 AM

"I thought I read somewhere that murder[er]s were being removed?"

I hope not. I can usually get those.
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Jan 29 2015 04:30 AM

14. American singer-drummer of the pop group 'The Walker Brothers'
Your answer: Gary Walker
Posted by: nautilator

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Feb 01 2015 08:50 AM

Suggestion for Maksim Mrvica: Croatian pianist; plays crossover music; "Gestures"; "The Piano Player"
Posted by: HairyBear

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Feb 01 2015 12:32 PM

Sondra Locke is also known for being Clint Eastwood's partner for 14 years. Her description just says actress & director.
Posted by: flopsymopsy

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Feb 01 2015 02:34 PM

If her description is changed then I shall ask for his to be changed also "Clint Eastwood - actor, director, and long term partner of Sondra Locke". Describing women in terms of the men they used to know is so 1955!
Posted by: Upstart3

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Feb 01 2015 02:52 PM

Beat me to it, Flopsy!
Posted by: HairyBear

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Feb 01 2015 05:18 PM

No offense to Miss Locke, but I dare say few would remember her otherwise. I'd be fine with something similar for Larry Fortensky (8th husband of Elizabeth Taylor, counting Richard Burton twice) or Guy Ritchie (Madonna's 2nd husband), names few would know if not for their association with much more famous women.
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Feb 01 2015 06:31 PM

I will be changing her entry, if at all, to include something about her career, not her personal life (unless to include the 6 films she made with Clint Eastwood). She also had an Oscar nomination in 1968. I need to take the time to sort out 100 characters or less, so it won't be done immediately, but she is on my list.
Posted by: pyonir

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Feb 10 2015 08:12 PM

Gregory Blaxland - Australian pioneer farmer; explorer

He was born in 1778 in Kent, England and sailed to Australia in 1805. He should at least be referred to as "British born-Australian".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gregory_Blaxland

Thanks
Posted by: rossian

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Feb 11 2015 04:09 AM

Humphry Davy's description includes 'inventor of Davy lamp'.
Posted by: Upstart3

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Feb 18 2015 07:35 AM

Greg Lake: English bass guitarist; singer; founder of 'King Crimson' & 'EL&P'

It's ELP, not EL&P!
Posted by: HairyBear

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Feb 25 2015 11:38 PM

This lady was either a little late or a little crazy:

2. American Revolutionary War heroine; 40-mile night ride in April 1977 warned of approaching British

Your answer: Sybil Ludington

I laughed.
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Feb 26 2015 01:06 AM

Whoops! Clearly as typo - it was 1777.
Posted by: flopsymopsy

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Feb 26 2015 08:02 AM

We're coming back...
Posted by: mehaul

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Feb 26 2015 09:44 AM

We're waiting...
Will you be wearing orange this time? The red was so, how do you say it(?), tacky!
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Feb 27 2015 10:15 AM

Philip (Duke of Edinburgh) = (Greek-born British royalty; married to Queen Elizabeth II)

the description is fine, just that he was with females again and he is all male!

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Alexandre Gustave Eiffel = (French architect; engineer; built the 'Eiffel Tower')

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Pat Jennings = (Former footballer; represented Northern Ireland as goalkeeper 119 times )

another man in with the ladies
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Feb 27 2015 01:31 PM

The algorithm does not mind mixing men and women - it happens regularly, although most groups are single-sex.
Posted by: adam36

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Feb 27 2015 01:40 PM

I would miss on who is Pat Jennings, but I can see how the name Pat would be a name that could show up in a male or female setting.

Also I must admit that there have been a few too many times in Who Am I that I have picked the only female/male and been horribly wrong.
Posted by: Upstart3

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Mar 01 2015 06:23 AM

6. British actress; Detective Inspector Maggie Forbes in 'The Gentle Touch'& 'C.A.T.S. Eyes'
Your answer: Jill Gascoigne

There is no g in her surname!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jill_Gascoine
Posted by: dippo

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Mar 01 2015 07:43 AM

Jill Ascoine?
Posted by: Upstart3

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Mar 01 2015 08:27 AM

Thanks Dippo for noticing my error.
No second g I should have said.
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Mar 01 2015 12:36 PM

African-American journalist; columnist; lecturer; writer; 'First Lady of the Black Press'

Dr. David Livingstone
Ethel L. Payne only female
Francois Duvalier
Gerardus Mercator
Jacques Montgolfier
Chay Blyth
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Mar 01 2015 01:12 PM

I have pointed out before that the names are not always of the same gender - sometimes that is a clue to help you if you don't recognize the names, along with the nationality and occupation. (I noted yesterday that the lowest-correct percentages at the moment are for people whose names are from a different country than the one where they were born, so people clearly use their expectation of association between names and countries when they have no idea.)
Posted by: flopsymopsy

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Mar 01 2015 02:27 PM

Frankly, LT, I'd like to ban all Australian swimmers/sailors/Olympians with Latvian/Estonian/Hungarian/Turkish/Chinese/Anglo names.and.esp.the.ones.with.titles, all the Poles and Ukrainians playing American and Canadian football not to mention ice hockey, all the Norwegian.skiers.who.were.on.a.stamp, and every single soccer player because I don't like it. Oh and Belgians - because they could be French or Dutch and it's not fair. Thanks. grin
Posted by: MiraJane

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Mar 01 2015 03:26 PM

Flopsy, what people from Switzerland? Those names could be Italian, French, or German. wink

As for the above post mentioning Ethel Payne as being the only female in the list, I don't know who Chay Blyth is so that name to me could be male or female.
Posted by: flopsymopsy

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Mar 01 2015 04:01 PM

That's true, Mira Jane - the Swiss should be banned forthwith. They make nice chocolate but they're always up to no good with other people's money so that should disqualify them.

You don't know who Chay Blyth is? shocked First man to sail single-handed the wrong way round the world, that's who he is. He rowed across the Atlantic too, before it was fashionable. They got a head start using the breeze that came from fifty million Brits saying "why?" in unison only to almost be capsized by three hundred million Americans saying "What? Get out of here". wink
Posted by: mehaul

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon Mar 02 2015 05:04 AM

No, we shouted "He's wearing red!". And then kindly let him in 'cause that's who we are.
Posted by: MiraJane

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Mar 04 2015 11:07 PM



3. Christiane Amanpour
Your answer: Iranian-British-born(?) American international news correspondent for CNN


She was born in London, England. Her mother is British and her father is Iranian.
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Mar 04 2015 11:41 PM

I think the entry originally just used the Wikipedia article on her, as many seem to have done. It describes her as British-Iranian (and I'll bet that a lot more players guess her with that description than if it were changed to British), and tries to include the mixed-national parents without going over the letter limit for descriptions. Then it got awkwardly modified when somebody complained about the accuracy of that description.

I'll see if I can come up with something a bit less awkward to try and convey that, along with the fact that she was born in London, but raised in Iran, and finished her secondary education in the UK, before moving to the US for her university studies. Some cosmopolitan people are pretty hard to describe in this game.
Posted by: MiraJane

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Mar 05 2015 02:10 AM

It was the included ? in her description that really needs to be fixed. I added the info in case you wanted to change it.

Now that I'm thinking as I type .... Iranian-British international news correspondent for CNN works. American isn't really needed in her description.
Posted by: rossian

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Mar 06 2015 01:14 PM

Anne Bronte's description includes her surname.
Posted by: rossian

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Mar 08 2015 01:23 PM

The description for Una Stubbs has the E missing from English. She's just been on tv, too, although that's totally irrelevant.
Posted by: nautilator

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Mar 08 2015 07:06 PM

Leisel Jones apparently is in the database twice, as "Leisel Jones" and "Leisl Jones".

There's also a minor issue at the beginning for the description of Una Stubbs "nglish actress; Rita in 'Till Death Us Do Part (1966-75); Aunt Sally in 'Worzel Gummidge' (1979-81)".
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Mar 08 2015 07:52 PM

I fixed Una Stubbs this morning. I'll check the double entry for Leisel Jones.
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Mar 10 2015 08:48 AM

Sebastian Coe
Your answer: English former Olympic athlete & Conservative MP

Not an MP now because promoted to the House of Lords
Posted by: nautilator

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon Mar 23 2015 09:44 AM

Suggestion for Jon Lormer: American film & TV actor known for supporting roles in 'The Twilight Zone' and 'Perry Mason'; Judge Chester on 'Peyton Place'
Posted by: Upstart3

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon Mar 23 2015 10:08 AM

Tatum O'Neal entry says she's Ryan's daughter.
Posted by: shuehorn

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon Mar 23 2015 10:31 AM

Originally Posted By: Upstart3
Tatum O'Neal entry says she's Ryan's daughter.


Tatum O'Neal is Ryan O'Neal's daughter, isn't she?
Posted by: Upstart3

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon Mar 23 2015 11:45 AM

yes, it is correct, but it makes the answer a bit easy
Posted by: Upstart3

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon Mar 23 2015 12:07 PM

Also there's that old fashioned thing of defining an eminent woman in terms of the men in her life.
Posted by: MiraJane

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon Mar 23 2015 12:10 PM

Originally Posted By: Upstart3
Tatum O'Neal entry says she's Ryan's daughter.


If all it says is "daughter of Ryan" one would have to know who Ryan is. As for defining a woman by men in her life, she first became known to the public because she starred in a movie with dad. "American actress" doesn't say all that much and could be several women she may be paired with. "Very young Oscar winner" would work.
Posted by: shuehorn

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon Mar 23 2015 12:14 PM

Originally Posted By: MiraJane
Originally Posted By: Upstart3
Tatum O'Neal entry says she's Ryan's daughter.


If all it says is "daughter of Ryan" one would have to know who Ryan is. As for defining a woman by men in her life, she first became known to the public because she starred in a movie with dad. "American actress" doesn't say all that much and could be several women she may be paired with. "Very young Oscar winner" would work.


I agree that this clue doesn't bother me that much. She was also married to John McEnroe at some point of her life, but you'd have to know a bit about her to know that too.
Posted by: Upstart3

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon Mar 23 2015 12:32 PM

Originally Posted By: MiraJane
Originally Posted By: Upstart3
Tatum O'Neal entry says she's Ryan's daughter.


If all it says is "daughter of Ryan" one would have to know who Ryan is. As for defining a woman by men in her life, she first became known to the public because she starred in a movie with dad. "American actress" doesn't say all that much and could be several women she may be paired with. "Very young Oscar winner" would work.


I should have quoted the question sorry - it said daughter of Ryan O'Neal.
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon Mar 23 2015 03:30 PM

I will definitely check that listing. I wouldn't be fussed by describing her as Ryan's daughter, although I might (if I have enough characters available) change it to a reference to starring in 'Paper Moon' with her father. I am definitely trying to remove definitions of [people that are exclusively who they were married to; family members (no surnames unless, like Warren Beatty and Shirley MacLaine, it isn't a giveaway) with whom they were associated, however, I think can work well to provide a way of distinguishing them from all the other actors, writers, painters, etc.
Posted by: Upstart3

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Mar 24 2015 04:53 AM

American silent & talkie film actor; 'Tramp, Tramp, Tramp'; initials are HL = (Harry Langdon)
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Mar 24 2015 12:33 PM

Saw that in my set, too. The initials will be gone next time I update the entries.
Posted by: shuehorn

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Mar 25 2015 07:31 AM

Originally Posted By: Upstart3
American silent & talkie film actor; 'Tramp, Tramp, Tramp'; initials are HL = (Harry Langdon)


If the initials are removed, perhaps a different and better known Langdon film can be chosen. "Tramp, Tramp, Tramp" leads one to think of Chaplin's little tramp, even though it is not his film. Just a thought.
Posted by: nautilator

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Mar 27 2015 10:27 AM

Valdemar Andersen could use a more detailed description. I'd suggest one, but it looks like he doesn't have a wikipedia page and even Danish wikipedia barely has anything on him.
Posted by: mehaul

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Mar 27 2015 02:11 PM

As I sat waiting for a view of the current posting, I re-read looney_tunes first posting and I wondered about this part of it:
Originally Posted By: looney_tunes
Descriptions such as these are pretty high-maintenance. Perhaps they should be changed to read something like "Became Australian prime Minister in [year]", which will always be a true fact no matter how things change in the future.

I don't see why the info on a person has to be current. Up-to-date yes, but not necessarily current. Giving a description of 'writer' does not mean that a person is currently writing a book. It just means that when we are given a set of data about a person, 'writer' can be apt as a describer from some point in their life. You wouldn't say 'former writer' or writer in year 1973'. The same would go for noting 'P.M.'. It doesn't mean that they are currently a PM but that 'PM' would show up on their CV. In this light, you would not have to say 'former PM' for Tony Blair but just PM.

If you have addressed this point in the interim 375 posts (which I did not review, sorry) then please accept my apology. If you still have troubles with the issue of current versus former, please consider my position. If it is still an open issue, perhaps this will prod some folk to weigh in on the matter?
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Mar 27 2015 04:43 PM

There is a difference between something like writer or actor, which describes an ongoing facet of the person, and prime minister or president, which is by nature only true for a specific period of time. Over the years that I have followed the comments (in the previous thread for this game, when someone else was maintaining the database), I have seen many complaints when such a description is no longer true. To avoid this, it is simplest to make a specific statement that will not change over time. If they were "former" something, then saying they started doing it in a certain year is still true; for people whose temporally-limited status was well in the past, it can be useful (but not necessarily essential) to make the definition specific to them to give the dates of the tenure.
Posted by: mehaul

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Mar 27 2015 05:03 PM

Even after leaving office, the individuals usually still carry the title. It is currently correct to refer to Hillary Clinton as Madam Secretary, Pope Benedict as Pope and other major world leaders by their former title. So, in a sense, they can be referred to by those titles as current (but not acting). Part of the Hillary situation is that all the former SecStates are still kept in the loop in case they have viable input to a current situation. Sure some are ignored regarding current issues but they still carry the title.
Posted by: flopsymopsy

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Mar 27 2015 05:28 PM

That's not true everywhere, Mehaul. I know that in the USA people like Tony Blair are referred to as "Prime Minister Blair" even though they're no longer in office but we don't call them by title and name even when they are in office - they're either the Prime Minister or they're not. For example, I once met (sort of, fleetingly, in a large crowd) a British Prime Minister who was in power at the time - if I'd been introduced I would have said "Prime Minister" as a form of address, in the same way you might say "Mr President". But after he left office, that Prime Minister went back to being called Mr Wilson, Tony Blair is now just Mr Blair, and David Cameron will go back to being Mr Cameron.
Posted by: MiraJane

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Mar 27 2015 05:32 PM

Originally Posted By: mehaul
Even after leaving office, the individuals usually still carry the title. It is currently correct to refer to Hillary Clinton as Madam Secretary, Pope Benedict as Pope and other major world leaders by their former title.


Actually, no it is not correct to address a former office holder by the title they held while in office. It is incorrect to refer to George Bush (father or son) as "President of the United States." There is only one President of the USA at a time. The rest are former presidents.

The same goes for Cabinet members. Once they are no longer Cabinet members, they should not be addressed as "Secretary WhateverYourNameIs". However, they can be addressed with the honorific Honorable.

http://www.formsofaddress.info/Secretary_Cabinet_Member.html

http://www.formsofaddress.info/FOA_president_US_former.html
Posted by: Creedy

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Mar 27 2015 09:04 PM

Is this thread for any errors that need amending, such as dates etc, that we may find in the daily game?

Not that I've found any. Just curious.
Posted by: HairyBear

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Mar 27 2015 09:50 PM

I like looneytunes' solution. "Former" to me is an unnecessary adjective for everyone in the list. If you put down dates (Abraham Lincoln, president 1861-1865), then the "former" is not necessary. If the accomplishment is event-specific (1996 Olympic champion), the "former" is not necessary. If a person becomes identified with his/her activity (artist, writer, architect, even murderer or conman), the "former" is never appropriate anyway. If Stephen King or JK Rowling stopped writing tomorrow, would you call either a "former writer"? Just my opinion.
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Mar 28 2015 01:26 AM

Originally Posted By: Creedy
Is this thread for any errors that need amending, such as dates etc, that we may find in the daily game?

Not that I've found any. Just curious.


It's where you note any problems with the descriptions, whether it is an error or a lack of information, or whatever. Sometimes I decide it doesn't need to be changed, usually I amend the entry appropriately.
Posted by: 22crows

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Mar 28 2015 10:46 PM

Nova Peris-Kneebone
She discarded the -Kneebone when she divorced Mr. Kneebone, and in her two marriages since then, she has kept her surname as Peris.
Posted by: nautilator

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Mar 31 2015 10:08 AM

Suggestion for John McLoughlin: American settler known as the 'Father of Oregon'; built Fort Vancouver; his general store was the last stop on the Oregon Trail
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Apr 09 2015 09:20 AM

French Revolutionary & Napoleonic military officer
Your answer: Marshal Michel Ney

"Marshall" was a military rank, not part of his name
Posted by: Upstart3

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Apr 21 2015 04:47 AM

I had this one today.

4. British film magnate who built up the 'Rank' film studios
Your answer: J. Arthur Rank
Posted by: nautilator

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Apr 25 2015 08:42 PM

Originally Posted By: nautilator
I'd like to suggest a more elaborate description for Norman Jaffe. Maybe American architect; pioneered contemporary residential architecture; designed over 50 beach houses on Long Island


I'd like to suggest this again, and if not this certainly something more elaborate than "American architect."
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Apr 29 2015 08:57 AM

American comedienne; actress; wife of George Burns
Your answer: Gracie Allen

I thought it was decided not to use the husband of a woman to describe her?

American physician; discoverer of a treatment for anaemia
Your answer: Dr. George R. Minot

His title kind of gives it away

English singer-songwriter; musician; 'Stand & Deliver'
Your answer: Adam Ant

He was born Stuart Goddard, Adam Ant is his stage name
Posted by: spanishliz

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Apr 29 2015 09:10 AM

It's a bit different in the case of Burns and Allen. Gracie made a living out of being his wife; they were a comedy team and a lot of their humour was based on that relationship.

Why do you feel it necessary to use Adam Ant's birth name, which fewer people will know? Surely the stage name is appropriate in this case?
Posted by: flopsymopsy

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Apr 29 2015 09:25 AM

Originally Posted By: lonely-lady
American comedienne; actress; wife of George Burns
Your answer: Gracie Allen

I thought it was decided not to use the husband of a woman to describe her?


Burns and Allen were a double act; his career included work where she wasn't present so it is valid to refer to him on his own but her career was confined almost entirely to being the comic to his 'straight man' so I'd say that referring to her as his wife was allowable.

Quote:
American physician; discoverer of a treatment for anaemia
Your answer: Dr. George R. Minot

His title kind of gives it away


Thank goodness for that, no one would get it otherwise.

Quote:
English singer-songwriter; musician; 'Stand & Deliver'
Your answer: Adam Ant

He was born Stuart Goddard, Adam Ant is his stage name


Gary Grant was Archibald Leach, Elton John is Reginald Dwight, Maureen O'Hara was Maureen FitzSimons... the list is endless. Who are we to remove the stage names people choose for themselves and by which they choose to be known?
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Apr 29 2015 01:29 PM

It was never decided not to refer to people's partners, although some have suggested it. That information is sometimes relevant, as in this case. I think Prince Phillip is there, too, listed as husband of HRH. When it is the only reason why someone is known, I probably wouldn't add them, and if they are currently listed, I would try to find another way to describe them, especially since marriage isn't forever. But it isn't outside acceptable description.

I am certainly not going to list Adam Ant as Stuart Goddard. Performance names are our standard listing. I sometimes include their birth name to help identify them if the only other information is along the lines of English musician. In this case, the title of a song closely connected to him has been used. Of course, I realise that it is also the title of a movie with no connection. If the complaint is that the information provided is misleading, it can be changed.

Title such as Dr, Sir, Lord are used as part of the name where it is standard to use them in reference to the person. Sometimes it may make the answer obvious, sometimes there could be two people/descriptions that might match, just as happens for other aspects of the names and descriptions - gender can be all the same, or one different, or a couple of each; there could be three French names to match with a description that says French novelist, or there could be only one.
Posted by: rossian

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Apr 30 2015 11:58 AM

I don't like the description of Linda McCartney as 'former wife' of Paul. It makes it sound as if they divorced. Maybe 'late wife' might be better.

Maybe I'm being 'picky' but I have the same reaction every time I see it.
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Apr 30 2015 01:36 PM

I hadn't seen it, but will certainly add her to the list for review.
Posted by: pyonir

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Apr 30 2015 05:03 PM

Helen Morse - Australian actress; title role in 'Caddie'; Mlle de Poitiers in 'Picnic at Hanging Rock'

She was born in England. Perhaps it would be better if the description were listed as "English Australian" or "English-born Australian"

ref: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helen_Morse
Posted by: pyonir

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat May 02 2015 08:28 PM

Virginia Dare - English colonist; first European child born in America

Forgive me if this has already been discussed/addressed, but if she was born in America, she's not a European child, nor an "English colonist". Her parents were English colonists of course. Right? tongue
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat May 02 2015 09:10 PM

It was still an English colony at the time, so she was an English citizen.
Posted by: pyonir

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun May 03 2015 05:20 PM

Originally Posted By: looney_tunes
It was still an English colony at the time, so she was an English citizen.


Ah, of course. blush Thanks LT.
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri May 08 2015 08:41 AM

Keanu Reeves

Your answer: Lebanese-born Canadian-British-American film actor; 'Speed' & 'The Matrix'

Mr Reeves holds a Green Card, that does not make him an American. He has not claimed British citizenship, although he is entitled to it due to his mother, however he claims to be a Canadian.
Posted by: MiraJane

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri May 08 2015 03:39 PM

Keanu Reeves

Born in Lebanon to an English mother and American father. He moved to Toronto, Canada at the age of 7. At the age of 20, he moved to Los Angeles to pursue acting.

He's not Candian at all. He merely spent most of his childhood there. He might self identify as Canadian because of that. The films he has been in are American productions.
Posted by: spanishliz

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri May 08 2015 03:43 PM

According to imdb he "maintains his Canadian citizenship and passport". That makes him Canadian to me.
Posted by: MiraJane

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri May 08 2015 08:09 PM

Okay. I looked at Wikipedia. I guess he became a Canadian citizen because he lived there so long as a child. Somehow. I know nothing about to become a Canadian citizen.
Posted by: Upstart3

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat May 09 2015 04:44 AM

Heinrich Heine = (German romantic writer; poem 'Allnachtlic im Traume' set to music by both Schumann & Mendelssohn)

There is a typo in the name of the poem: 'Allnächtlich im Traume'
Posted by: shuehorn

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue May 12 2015 12:30 PM

Originally Posted By: MiraJane
Okay. I looked at Wikipedia. I guess he became a Canadian citizen because he lived there so long as a child. Somehow. I know nothing about to become a Canadian citizen.


I know many people who were originally American and who became Canadian after living there a while.

Sue
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Jun 06 2015 09:21 AM

Nicholas I of Russia

Your answer: Emperor of Russia 1825-1855; King of Poland; Grand Duke of Finland
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon Jun 15 2015 09:13 AM

English comedian; TV actor; 'The Two Ronnies'

Ronnie Barker

He was also in "Open All Hours" and "Porridge", neither of which uses his first name.
Posted by: pyonir

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Jun 26 2015 05:11 PM

Billy Mitchell

Your answer: American Air Force General; known as 'Father of the US Air Force'

He should be listed as an Army General, not Air Force. He was in the Army...but was "appointed deputy director of the Air Service". He is known as the father, but never was in the actual "Air Force" just the precursor, the Army Air Service.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billy_Mitchell
Posted by: nautilator

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Jun 27 2015 10:47 AM

Suggestion for Benjamin Oliver Davis Sr.: first African-American general in the United States army; Spanish-American War veteran
Posted by: malik24

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Jun 27 2015 12:48 PM

1. English Baptist minister; founder of the Thomas Cook travel agents

Your answer: Thomas Cook

I do think this answer is a little bit too much of a giveaway having the full unadjusted name in the clue - using eponymous as a hint or stating it's a British company would still make it pretty guessable without being a total freebie.
Posted by: malik24

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Jun 27 2015 12:52 PM

2. German physicist; mathematician; helped develope quantum mechanics

Your answer: Max Born

'Develope', whilst not semantically incorrect, is an archaic form of the word and is probably better without the extra 'e'.
Posted by: nautilator

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Jul 18 2015 12:28 PM

This is not particularly wrong, but I am a bit surprised that Mary Pickford is not noted as being America's sweetheart.
Posted by: Emma058

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Aug 27 2015 08:48 AM

Barbadian cricket all-rounder; captain of West Indies 1965-1972; named National Hero of Barbados 199

Is there a part of the year missing or was he named number 199 in a list of perhaps 500?
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Aug 27 2015 01:29 PM

1998, if you're interested.
Posted by: terraorca

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Oct 17 2015 05:10 PM

Who Am I for me today, 11 Brits, 2 Germans, 2 Americans. Needless to say, not my best day. At least, this day, I knew the 2 Americans!
Posted by: rossian

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Nov 01 2015 10:42 AM

Today's set for me included these wordings as part of the clue:

Initials are CF for Camille Flammarion

Sister of Felix Mendelssohn for Fanny Hensel-Mendelssohn

A fictional character - Col. Wilhelm Klink
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Nov 01 2015 01:13 PM

Wow, I haven't seen any of those for ages, and thought they had all been eliminated. You scored a hat trick!
Posted by: rossian

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Nov 01 2015 01:18 PM

I thought you might be bored and need even more to do... I was surprised to see them because I know you've removed most of the problems. These are all new to me.
Posted by: rossian

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Nov 03 2015 10:39 AM

I had Scarlett O'Hara as the correct answer in one of my questions today.
Posted by: pyonir

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Nov 05 2015 03:51 PM

Fictional character; played by John Belushi in 'The Blues Brothers' - Jake E. 'Joliet' Blues

In my set today.
Posted by: rossian

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Nov 07 2015 11:32 AM

A couple more from my set today:

Singer with the Everly Brothers - for Don Everly

Roman god - Jupiter

I'd like to see the Everlys left in - maybe something like 'American singer who performed as a duo with his brother Phil'.
Posted by: nautilator

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Nov 07 2015 11:59 AM

Another fictional character:

Michael (Archangel) - Biblical character; warrior angel; leader of God's army
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Nov 07 2015 02:22 PM

Originally Posted By: rossian
A couple more from my set today:

Singer with the Everly Brothers - for Don Everly

Roman god - Jupiter

I'd like to see the Everlys left in - maybe something like 'American singer who performed as a duo with his brother Phil'.

Those definitions with the name or initials included are not deleted, just rewritten to remove the total giveaway. I'll update these when I get back from running the dogs, making up the horse's foods for the week, and stocking the fridge for the week.
Posted by: pyonir

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Nov 07 2015 06:19 PM

Another fictional character:

Fictional character; Gaulish warrior in a comic strip created by Goscinny & Uderzo

Your answer: Asterix the Gaul
Posted by: pyonir

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Nov 08 2015 02:44 AM

And another:

Hercule Poirot

Your answer: Fictional character; Belgian detective created by Agatha Christie
Posted by: MrNobody97

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Nov 08 2015 05:06 AM

I was just thinking it would be really funny (if executed well -- maybe like as an April Fool's prank) if the "Who Am I?" names/descriptions were based on the famous "Who's on First?" sketch. Imagine all the confusion you could cause!
Posted by: mehaul

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Nov 08 2015 01:46 PM

In the "Minor Issues" thread ( http://www.funtrivia.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/1114543/20 ) Terry said in post 1113602 that he changed the difficulty settings of the two Who Am I? levels. I wonder if this has to do with a lot of 'simple' WAI?s (initials, names, relationships, etc) that are now showing up. Did they exist in a database that L_T didn't work her magic on (the easy difficulty one)?

At least this post should do to reference a mention of this game in another thread.
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Nov 08 2015 07:08 PM

I can't access the entire database, I can only enter the name of someone whose entry needs to be checked. So people who were only showing up when you play easy didn't come to my attention, since I always play difficult to (with any luck) score for my team. Obviously, players in the easy game are happy to have such hints given to them! But when they are reported, I can sort them out.

The names are all in a single pool, but they are selected for the different games based on performance statistics - Terry didn't move any actual names around, just adjusted the selection algorithm. And it is also clear the the easy game gets a small number of difficult people, just as the difficult game gets a few easy ones. That mix is the difference between the two games, it is not a matter of selecting from two discrete sets of questions.
Posted by: rossian

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Nov 11 2015 02:05 PM

Mary Poppins came up in my set today.
Posted by: HairyBear

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Nov 11 2015 02:55 PM

Originally Posted By: rossian
Mary Poppins came up in my set today.

Did you have a nice chat?
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Nov 11 2015 03:10 PM

And I got Henry Comstock = American prospector; Comstock Lode named for him - which will be changed next time I get to the database.
Posted by: nautilator

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Nov 15 2015 10:33 PM

Fictional character; English amateur detective created by Agatha Christie
Miss Jane Marple
Posted by: flopsymopsy

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon Nov 16 2015 06:45 PM

Steve Ovett: English former Olympic gold medalist; middle distance runner

I think that, unless you get stripped of a medal because of an offence of some sort, once a medalist always a medalist - the word 'former' needs to be removed. He could also be described as 'British' instead of English.
Posted by: jimbeer

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon Nov 16 2015 07:28 PM

I agree flopsy. I almost always cringe when I see "former" in front of a title, position, or award winner. No comment on the Brit vs. English part. I am not getting involved in that. I will leave that to your side of the pond.
Posted by: rossian

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Nov 20 2015 08:43 AM

The description for Hussein of Jordan is a complete giveaway.
Posted by: pyonir

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon Nov 23 2015 03:33 PM

Fictional character; mob boss from 'The Godfather' by Mario Puzo

Your answer: Vito Corleone
Posted by: nautilator

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon Nov 23 2015 11:46 PM

Grace Kelly is a pretty strong giveaway.
Posted by: nautilator

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Nov 24 2015 04:28 PM

Since it's not his real name, you may want to consider changing [Fatty Arbuckle] to [Roscoe "Fatty" Arbuckle].
Posted by: rossian

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Nov 29 2015 10:08 AM

Fictional character - Maxwell Smart in today's set.
Posted by: flopsymopsy

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon Nov 30 2015 10:45 AM

John M. Elston (JMElston)

I think this entry is out of date, LT.
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon Nov 30 2015 12:33 PM

I hadn't seen it!
Posted by: pyonir

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon Nov 30 2015 05:17 PM

haha, I just came here to point that one out, same set as flopsy.
Posted by: nautilator

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Dec 04 2015 12:00 AM

Fred Flinstone is in there.
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Dec 04 2015 12:44 AM

I saw him today - he won't be staying long. Halley will also lose his name from the description.
Posted by: spanishliz

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Dec 04 2015 01:13 PM

I just had Dick Dastardly in my set.
Posted by: rossian

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Dec 05 2015 05:26 PM

Gordon Moore's description includes a reference to Moore's Law.
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon Dec 07 2015 03:53 AM

American businessman; founder of the Woolworth stores chain
Your answer: F. W. Woolworth
Posted by: nautilator

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Dec 09 2015 11:43 PM

Whistler makes note of Whistler's mother.
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Dec 10 2015 06:42 AM

Lady Mary Wortley Montagu
Your answer: English aristocrat; painter; writer; known for her letters from Turkey

Heinrich von Kleist
Your answer: German poet; dramatist; novelist; the Kleist Prize is named for him

Mars
Your answer: Roman god of war
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Dec 11 2015 05:18 AM

Fictional character; main female lead in a play by Henrik Ibsen
Your answer: Hedda Gabler
Posted by: HairyBear

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Dec 17 2015 11:32 PM

Got these two in Who today,

9. Brazilian architect; urban planner; designed Brasilia
Your answer: Lucio Costa

10. Brazilian architect; original designer of Brasilia
Your answer: Oscar Niemeyer

Fact-checking with Wikipedia, Niemeyer did not design the city but rather many of its buildings.
Posted by: nautilator

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Dec 20 2015 11:35 PM

George Boole mentions "boolean logic", not sure if that's close enough to make it more vague.

Also forgot from a little while ago, Pecos Bill = fictional character is still in there too.
Posted by: rossian

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Dec 22 2015 11:59 AM

Estee Lauder's description includes the name of her company - which is her name.
Posted by: pyonir

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Dec 22 2015 05:33 PM

Today had:

Mars

Your answer: Roman god of war

If this has been addressed in the past, my apologies, but should mythological gods be included? Fictional character, yes?
Posted by: flopsymopsy

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Dec 22 2015 05:53 PM

Originally Posted By: pyonir
Fictional character, yes?


But real chocolate bar! smile
Posted by: pyonir

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Dec 22 2015 07:49 PM

Originally Posted By: flopsymopsy
Originally Posted By: pyonir
Fictional character, yes?


But real chocolate bar! smile


And real planet! tongue
Posted by: mehaul

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Dec 22 2015 07:51 PM

Wasn't Groucho Mars an American comic?
Posted by: nautilator

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Dec 23 2015 01:52 AM

Leopold II of Belgium is described as a "Belgian king" and Sean Lennon is described as "John Lennon's son", so I think those count as giveaways.
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Dec 23 2015 03:45 AM

I thought I changed Leopold II, but it might have been another Belgian king. Sean Lennon is on my list for the next time I organise amendments.
Posted by: pyonir

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Dec 23 2015 04:00 PM

Quote:
French chemist; discovered hydrogen peroxide; Thenard blue

Your answer: Louis Jacques Thenard


The description gives it away.
Posted by: zorba_scank

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Dec 25 2015 09:17 PM

Found two in today's set:

1. Dutch physicist; thermodynamicist; van der Waals force named for him
Your answer: Johannes Diderik van der Waals

2. American singer-songwriter of the pop group 'The Isley Brothers'
Your answer: Isley
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Dec 25 2015 10:13 PM

zorba_skank, can you give me the full name of the entry about the Isley Brothers? I got no entry pulled up when I searched for Isley (it suggested Bob Paisley), O'Kelly Isley, Rudolph Isley or Ronald Isley. Without the exact name, I cannot change the entry!
Posted by: zorba_scank

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Dec 26 2015 02:20 AM

I copy pasted it from the game, L_T. It was just Isley.
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Dec 26 2015 03:22 AM

Hmmm, the database denies all knowledge. We'll just have to live with it.
Posted by: zorba_scank

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Dec 29 2015 10:14 PM

American R&B singer; member of 'Sam & Dave'
Your answer: Dave Prater
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Dec 30 2015 04:57 AM

Victoria Principal
Your answer: American film & TV actress; Principal Secret cosmetics; Pam Ewing on 'Dallas'
Posted by: zorba_scank

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Dec 30 2015 10:29 PM

Arthur Guinness
Your answer: Irish brewer; founder of the Guinness Brewery
Posted by: nautilator

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Jan 01 2016 06:16 PM

American confectioner; philanthropist; founder of the Hershey Chocolate Co.
Your answer: Milton S. Hershey
Posted by: rossian

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Jan 02 2016 10:59 AM

Desdemona - fictional character.

Edit to add that Arkle seems to have escaped from his stable and galloped back into the game. I'm sure you removed him.
Posted by: pyonir

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Jan 05 2016 06:23 PM

Quote:
American female ESPN sportscaster; journalist

Your answer: Erin Andrews


She no longer works for ESPN...she now works for Fox Sports. Removing "ESPN" would probably work the best, I would think.
Posted by: rossian

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Jan 09 2016 01:51 PM

Basil Fawlty appeared in my set today.
Posted by: flopsymopsy

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Jan 09 2016 02:40 PM

Originally Posted By: rossian
Basil Fawlty appeared in my set today.


Don't mention the war!
Posted by: zorba_scank

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Jan 09 2016 10:39 PM

English bookseller; owner of Foyle's Bookshop
Your answer: Christina Foyle
Posted by: 22crows

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Jan 09 2016 11:01 PM

English comedian; actor; writer; director; member of 'Laurel & Hardy'

Answer: Stan Laurel

The Sam Walton entry might bear looking at too.
Posted by: zorba_scank

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon Jan 11 2016 09:58 AM

British radio & TV actress; 'Terry and June'
Your answer: June Whitfield
Posted by: rossian

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon Jan 11 2016 11:53 AM

Bridget Jones - fictional character.
Posted by: nautilator

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Jan 12 2016 11:34 PM

Jessica Rabbit = fictional character.
Posted by: rossian

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Jan 13 2016 01:58 PM

J. Wellington Wimpy is another fictional character in the database.
Posted by: zorba_scank

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Jan 13 2016 08:57 PM

Fictional character; Fruit Loops cereal mascot
Your answer: Toucan Sam
Posted by: flopsymopsy

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Jan 14 2016 06:44 AM

Bernadette Devlin McAliskey = Northern Irish political activist; youngest woman elected to British Parliament

Part of that is no longer the case. The youngest woman elected to the British Parliament is Mhairi Black.
Posted by: shuehorn

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Jan 15 2016 12:59 PM

In today's set, fictional character created by J.M. Barrie (recalling the wording from memory), answer: Peter Pan.
Posted by: nautilator

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Jan 15 2016 11:06 PM

Is it really necessary to include Michelle Malkin in Who Am I's list of notable people?
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Jan 15 2016 11:11 PM

She has several published books and apparently is a reasonably high-profile political commentator. You don't have to like someone to accept them as being well known and someone who can be recognised by players.
Posted by: zorba_scank

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Jan 17 2016 09:42 AM

English sugar merchant; founder of London's Tate Gallery
Your answer: Sir Henry Tate
Posted by: nautilator

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Jan 17 2016 05:39 PM

Originally Posted By: looney_tunes
You don't have to like someone to accept them as being well known and someone who can be recognised by players.

That's why I'm not raising issue with numerous other people I've seen in the database, thanks.

But that belittling reply makes me curious as to what your standard is for recognition. Writing "several books" and being "a reasonably high-profile commentator" makes you an internationally-reknown figure? Really?
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon Jan 18 2016 12:21 AM

I don't actually add people (I have never worked out how to do it), I abide by past decisions unless there is a clear reason for deleting the person. I had never heard of the person in question, but well over half the players in the game have correctly matched her with the description, so she appears indeed to be well enough known for the game. There are plenty of people with whom I am personally familiar whose percentage correct is much lower, and a truckload of others who I only know from seeing them in Who Am I, but who are clearly familiar to many people out there.

And I am sorry if you felt my earlier reply was belittling - that was not my intention.
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon Jan 18 2016 05:32 AM

Emile Baudot

Your answer: French telegraph engineer; inventor; devised the Baudot code
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Jan 20 2016 06:28 AM

George Cadbury

Your answer: English founder of 'Cadbury's Chocolates'
Posted by: rossian

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Jan 22 2016 04:58 PM

Jason Connery's description includes 'son of Sean Connery'.
Posted by: pyonir

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Jan 23 2016 03:23 PM

Quote:
Fictional character; rodent in 'Alice's Adventures in Wonderland' by Lewis Carroll

Your answer: Dormouse
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon Jan 25 2016 08:03 AM

Dutch astronomer; radio astronomy pioneer; known for the Oort cloud

Your answer: Jan Oort


Dutch Queen regnant from 1890 to 1948

Your answer: Wilhelmina of the Netherlands
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon Jan 25 2016 01:29 PM

All those kings and queens are going to take some careful thought as I find them - so many of them have the same first name (although Wilhelmina not so much as Louis or William/Wilhelm) that it is not fair to just give a royal title. In this case, I might leave it since players need to connect Netherlands and Dutch - that is not actually straightforward for a lot of people!
Posted by: pyonir

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon Jan 25 2016 04:08 PM

Quote:
American Olympic champion swimmer; 8 gold medals in 2008, 16 medals total

Your answer: Michael F. Phelps


He's now up to 22 medals, and he'll probably add more in Rio this summer. Probably best to remove the ending until he actually retires?
Posted by: 22crows

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Jan 26 2016 07:23 PM

Jane McGrath

Your answer: British-born Australian cancer support activist; wife of Glenn McGrath
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Jan 29 2016 12:09 PM

Fictional character; cowboy probably created by Edward O'Reilly

Your answer: Pecos Bill
Posted by: zorba_scank

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Jan 31 2016 12:37 AM

American newspaperman; entrepreneur; explorer; founder - Boy Scouts of America; initials are WDB

William D.Boyce
Posted by: rossian

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Feb 03 2016 02:13 PM

Dr. Strangelove, fictional character.
Posted by: pyonir

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Feb 03 2016 03:30 PM

English physicist; developed the British A-bomb; initials are WP

Your answer: William Penney

and maybe

Polish-American businessman; known for Nathan's Famous hot dogs

Your answer: Nathan Handwerker

Kinda gives it away...not sure how strict you want to be on something like that.
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Feb 04 2016 12:21 AM

Nathan can stay, it's not as much of a giveaway as, say, Handwerker's Hot Dogs. Initials go - they were added at some time to make them easier, but I am happy for them to go into the harder game's sample if the description is good enough to be a unique identifier. I may modify the description to make that true.
Posted by: HairyBear

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Feb 06 2016 01:04 AM

Not an error but an inconsistency: The question for Dimitri Tiomkin includes Mstislav Rostropovich in the possible answers. Generally speaking, the sets do not include anyone of the same ethnic background or the same occupation as the correct answer (lots of politicians and actresses show up as wrong answers, of course, but not for other politicians or actresses). Tiomkin was Ukrainian if not exactly Russian like Rostropovich, but both were composers and conductors and both of the same general ethnic background.
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Feb 06 2016 01:35 AM

The algorithm Terry has set up for selection does sometimes allow matchings that look the same to you, but the actual descriptions are different enough so that there is no clash. Ukrainian is a different nationality from Russian, and would not be excluded on that basis - you may consider them the same ethnic background, but they are not described in the same way. You regularly see multiple actors/actresses of different nationalities in the same group.

Diomitri Tiomkin is described as "Ukranian-American film score composer; conductor; 'The High and the Mighty' & 'High Noon'".

Mstislav Rostropovich is described as "internationally acclaimed Russian cellist; awarded 1950 Stalin Prize for the Arts at age 23".

I don't know how the algorithm operates, but there is nothing in the content of the descriptions that makes them interchangeable (unless you know more about them then is included).
Posted by: rossian

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Feb 06 2016 05:20 PM

George Gallup's description includes his name.
Posted by: HairyBear

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Feb 07 2016 02:15 AM

I couldn't think of the orchestra, but yes, Rostropovich was also a conductor in the US. From Wikipedia: "From 1977 until 1994, he was musical director and conductor of the U.S. National Symphony Orchestra in Washington..." I would never argue that any two people were interchangeable, but two Russian musicians who worked and lived in the US during the 20th century would easily be mixed up.
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Feb 07 2016 03:33 AM

Ukrainian is not Russian, even if both were part of the USSR.
Posted by: mehaul

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Feb 07 2016 03:48 AM

Ah, there's the equality, they're both ex-patriot Soviets.
Posted by: terraorca

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Feb 07 2016 11:10 PM

Why is it that some titles are given and used in the 'Who Am I?' game and some are not?
An example would be: Baroness or Count, both are used. Father or Senator, neither is used.
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Feb 07 2016 11:45 PM

That is just the whimsical way the person who set it up operated. They appear to have used only nobility titles, not other honorifics. No academic honors, either. I think in a lot of cases using the honorific would be too much of a giveaway - President Grover Cleveland, described as President of the US, or Senator Joseph McCarthy described as American Senator from Wisconsin, for example. It might be possible to rewrite the whole thing, if I actually had access to the entire database. Personally, I think the fewer titles the better, since the title often gives it away, or is in fact the only significant thing there is to say about the person. That is my problem with trying to rewrite some of the royal entries as I get them in play to remove the country name from their name - Leopold I of Belgium is obviously going to match with Belgian king, but just writing Leopold I may be considered too vague, especially for a Charles, for example.

Since I need to input the person's name in order to modify their file, I have to operate one person at a time.
Posted by: terraorca

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon Feb 08 2016 12:06 AM

Thank you for your timely reply.
Posted by: shuehorn

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon Feb 08 2016 10:42 AM

Hannah Montana
Your answer: Teen pop singer; TV character played by Miley Cyrus

Another fictional character found.

Sue
Posted by: rossian

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon Feb 08 2016 12:44 PM

A couple from my set today:

Hanuman = Hindu god

Oliver Hardy's description had an extra A at the beginning of the description 'Aamerican'.
Posted by: zorba_scank

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon Feb 08 2016 09:20 PM

Got this strange entry today.

The Earl of Ulster
Your answer: British nobility; son of the Duke & Duchess of Gloucester
Posted by: MiraJane

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Feb 09 2016 10:26 AM

Originally Posted By: zorba_scank
Got this strange entry today.

The Earl of Ulster
Your answer: British nobility; son of the Duke & Duchess of Gloucester



Yup, that's correct. He is the only son of the Duke and Duchess of Gloucester. At his birth, he was 9th in line to the British throne. Currently he is 25th in line.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Windsor,_Earl_of_Ulster
Posted by: mehaul

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Feb 09 2016 06:30 PM

This title (no surname) is son of another titled (no surname) couple.

This is a game of knowing people's names. I don't see Alexander Windsor mentioned in the clue or answer. The offspring of the Duke and Duchess of Gloucester is not always going to be the Earl of Ulster. That offspring may be titled in some other manner. It is akin (but not exactly the same) to saying Peter Pan is the offspring of L. Frank Baum and Mrs Baum. The posit is not a good one IMHO because it is not based on personal accomplishment but by birth certificate..
Posted by: flopsymopsy

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Feb 09 2016 07:03 PM

Originally Posted By: mehaul
This title (no surname) is son of another titled (no surname) couple.

This is a game of knowing people's names. I don't see Alexander Windsor mentioned in the clue or answer. The offspring of the Duke and Duchess of Gloucester is not always going to be the Earl of Ulster. That offspring may be titled in some other manner. It is akin (but not exactly the same) to saying Peter Pan is the offspring of L. Frank Baum and Mrs Baum. The posit is not a good one IMHO because it is not based on personal accomplishment but by birth certificate..


The eldest son of the Duke of Gloucester will always be the Earl of Ulster. Royal and aristocratic titles follow strict rules and the holder's birth and birth order de facto will always be a decider.

However, I can't see any reason for keeping him in WhoAmI. His father is a shy man and kept out of the public eye as much as possible, helped by the fact that he was one of the first royals to have a career (he was an architect). However, the Duke is first cousin to the Queen and has always helped out by undertaking royal duties, as does the Queen's other cousin, the Duke of Kent. Their roles have declined as the Queen's own family has grown up, and it has been possible for Lord Ulster to follow his own career path out of the public eye. Similar arguments apply to the Earl of St Andrews, the son of the Duke of Kent - he doesn't have a public role so if he's on the list, he could also be deleted.
Posted by: zorba_scank

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Feb 09 2016 08:09 PM

I wasn't disputing the answer. The only reason I posted it was that I learnt nothing about the person's accomplishments or work through it. If there is anything interesting about him, it should probably be added. Else the entry is quite pointless.
Posted by: MiraJane

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Feb 09 2016 08:52 PM

Originally Posted By: zorba_scank
I wasn't disputing the answer. The only reason I posted it was that I learnt nothing about the person's accomplishments or work through it. If there is anything interesting about him, it should probably be added. Else the entry is quite pointless.



I'm sorry, I misunderstood the reason for your post. To me, if someone is the son of the Duke and Duchess of Gloucester, I'd expect they would be SomeKindOfNobleTitleHere Gloucester, not Ulster. To further confuse matters, the second son of the current Duke of Gloucester is the Baron Culloden. Since the first Duke of Gloucester died in the late 1300s, I don't think I'll be able to keep straight who had the title during the centuries, who inherited it when, and when no one held the title.
Posted by: mehaul

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Feb 09 2016 08:53 PM

Flopsy,
Will the offspring of the Duke and Duchess (eldest or not) always be male and thus the Earl? And if being cousins of royalty is justification, why not allow cousins of the Kennedys, the Clintons or Tom Cruise to be entries? And I believe (but might be wrong) can't the Monarch and Parliament change the association of titles at their whim so that while traditional, the relation may not always hold true?
Posted by: MiraJane

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Feb 09 2016 09:07 PM

Originally Posted By: mehaul
Flopsy,
Will the offspring of the Duke and Duchess (eldest or not) always be male and thus the Earl? And if being cousins of royalty is justification, why not allow cousins of the Kennedys, the Clintons or Tom Cruise to be entries? And I believe (but might be wrong) can't the Monarch and Parliament change the association of titles at their whim so that while traditional, the relation may not always hold true?



The eldest son will be the Earl of Ulster. When the current Duke of Gloucester dies, the Earl of Ulster will become the Duke of Gloucester. It is an inherited title. The Ealr of Ulster has a son, Xan. We will have to wait to see if Can has boys or girls as children. A female cannot be an Earl.

The Duke of Gloucester did not receive his dukedom from his cousin Queen Elizabeth II. He inherited the title from his father, Prince Henry. Prince Henry was created Duke of Gloucester, Earl of Ulster, and Baron of Culloden by his father, King George V.

It's not abut being a cousin of a monarch, but a child of the monarch.
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Feb 13 2016 10:13 AM

American serial killer

Your answer: John Wayne Gacy

I thought that serial killers were not to be included
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Feb 17 2016 07:13 AM

American 10th President (1941-1945); became president on death of William Henry Harrison

Your answer: John Tyler

I do not know much history of USA, but even I realise the dates must be wrong
Posted by: mehaul

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Feb 17 2016 09:43 AM

If you're pointing out the odd years, American elections take place in even years divisible by 4. The President takes the oath of office on Jan 20th the following, odd year. If you're pointing out that the 20th century for the dates is wrong, right on! Tyler served from 1841 to 1845.
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Feb 21 2016 05:18 AM

British nobility; England's premier Marquess

Your answer: Marquess of Winchester

My main objection to this, apart from the obvious, is that the answer is a title rather than a person.
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Feb 23 2016 11:52 AM

British royalty; former King from 1901 to 1910

Your answer: Edward VII of the UK
Posted by: MiraJane

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Feb 23 2016 01:41 PM

Originally Posted By: lonely-lady
British royalty; former King from 1901 to 1910

Your answer: Edward VII of the UK



What is your objection to this entry?
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Feb 23 2016 02:47 PM

I am actually reviewing all royalty as they appear, because adding the country where they rule is quite a give-away when it is in both their name and their description. In this case, however, you need to know that UK and British line up, so it is probably not going to be changed.
Posted by: MiraJane

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Feb 23 2016 02:58 PM

All "give always" shouldn't be changed. What's a "give away" to someone is unknown to another person. I don't think that entry should be changed. I was wondering what lonely lady objected to this time.
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Feb 23 2016 03:44 PM

next time refresh page
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Feb 23 2016 05:17 PM

MiraJane, a name of Louis XIV of France which is described as King of France is too much of a give away for me to be happy; I could call him a Bourbon king, and accept it. I consider it an unreasonable give away to describe Edmond Halley as the man who predicted the return of Halley's Comet, or Don Everly as being a member of the Everly Brothers, adding the person's initials, etc. These can all be presented in a better way, so that players can readily make the match if they know who the person is (or, often, if they just recognize the probable nationality of the name).
Posted by: MiraJane

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Feb 24 2016 12:24 AM

I understood your reasoning before, LT. I understood it weeks ago.
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Feb 26 2016 05:14 AM

Bridey Murphy

Your answer: Irish (fictional?)19th century woman; claimed past life of Colorado housewife Virginia Tighe
Posted by: JanIQ

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Feb 28 2016 03:44 AM

Originally Posted By: lonely-lady
Bridey Murphy

Your answer: Irish (fictional?)19th century woman; claimed past life of Colorado housewife Virginia Tighe


If we are not sure whether this is a fictional person, I would bet it surely is not a real person.
Posted by: shuehorn

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon Feb 29 2016 03:47 PM

Here's a fictional character:

Cartoon character created by Walt Disney
Minnie Mouse


Also, in the same set, I got one asking about a Pope and the title Pope was in the correct answer (think it was Pius). In any event, if all such Pope questions are edited to remove Pope from the title, it may help make it less obvious). Just a thought.

Sue (shuehorn)
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Mar 01 2016 03:57 AM

Fictional character; tough girl in 'The Beano' comic created by Leo Baxendale

Your answer: Minnie the Minx

and

British royalty; daughter of Prince Andrew & Sarah, the Duchess of York

Your answer: Princess Eugenie of York
Posted by: flopsymopsy

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Mar 06 2016 08:01 PM

In one question today the list of (incorrect) options included "changed to American swimmer; won 8 gold medals in 2008 Olympics"... I assume that's Michael Phelps so you might want to check his entry to remove the words "changed to".
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Mar 06 2016 10:03 PM

You saw that before I got the same question and removed the first two words that accidentally got included yesterday.
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Mar 12 2016 08:11 AM

Albert Manser

Your answer: Swiss writer; artist; 'Little Albert'
Posted by: pyonir

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Mar 12 2016 05:39 PM

5. Galen 'Doc' Adams

Your answer: Fictional character; doctor played by Milburn Stone on TVs 'Gunsmoke'
Posted by: MiraJane

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Mar 12 2016 06:04 PM

Originally Posted By: lonely-lady
Albert Manser

Your answer: Swiss writer; artist; 'Little Albert'




Part of the answer is "Swiss writer". The title of his book is "Little Albert".
Posted by: Barbarini

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Mar 12 2016 09:34 PM

Tuesday Weld - she is indeed an American stage, film & TV actress but did not win an Oscar for 'Looking for Mr. Goodbar' - she was merely nominated for one.
Posted by: 22crows

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Mar 13 2016 10:48 PM

2 today:

Fictional character; gas station attendant on TVs 'The Andy Griffith Show'

Your answer: Gomer Pyle

British-born American rock drummer; member of 'Fleetwood Mac'

Your answer: Mick Fleetwood
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Mar 17 2016 05:46 AM

American former pro football player; pro wrestler; wrestling promoter

Your answer: William Afflis (Dick the Bruiser)
Posted by: MiraJane

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Mar 17 2016 07:07 AM

Originally Posted By: lonely-lady
American former pro football player; pro wrestler; wrestling promoter

Your answer: William Afflis (Dick the Bruiser)


This isn't a fictional character. This isn't a royal title. This doesn't have the person's name in the clue. I don't understand the objection.
Posted by: mehaul

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Mar 17 2016 07:19 PM

I'd offer that "Dick the Bruiser" is a fictional, wrestling realm name. Perhaps that part of the construction could be revamped/removed?
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Mar 17 2016 07:31 PM

That would not be a good idea - that nickname is how most people will actually recognise the person, if they recognise him at all. The database does include some pseudonyms, especially where that is the way some people are by far better known. In this case, both birth name and name under which they have become famous (albeit in a somewhat narrow world - his fame has certainly not spread to the Australia mainstream, although wrestling fans may recognise him) have been included, which is fine with me.
Posted by: mehaul

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Mar 17 2016 08:15 PM

I might agree if the nickname was put into the description part of the entry and not the real name part. Say for mel blanc you wouldn't list him as "Voice actor famous for cartoon characters" = Mel Blanc (Bugs Bunny).

With the subject persona, I would offer: "American former pro football player; pro wrestler (Dick the Bruiser) = William Afflis.
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Mar 18 2016 07:44 AM

Originally Posted By: mehaul
I might agree if the nickname was put into the description part of the entry and not the real name part. Say for mel blanc you wouldn't list him as "Voice actor famous for cartoon characters" = Mel Blanc (Bugs Bunny).

With the subject persona, I would offer: "American former pro football player; pro wrestler (Dick the Bruiser) = William Afflis.


^^this^^

thank you
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Mar 18 2016 04:02 PM

For William Afflis, I think including the nickname in either place is viable. The Mal Blanc example is quite different, as Mel Blanc was never known AS Bugs Bunny, just known for producing the voice of the character. Most nicknames are indeed included in the definition part, but there are several that are with the name. I have noted them in play over the years, but never thought they were a serious problem (even before I had the capacity to do anything about it), since there is enough information in the two parts to make a unique match, without giving so much away that the match requires no knowledge or thought.
Posted by: dippo

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Mar 18 2016 04:37 PM

Including William Afflis' nickname in the description would totally confuse the vast majority who've never heard of him. You would expect someone with the nickname 'Dick' to be called Richard, not William, so we would rule out that name straight away.
Posted by: mehaul

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Mar 18 2016 05:24 PM

I agree that position in either side should not be misleading. Precisely why nicknames are a bad part of the game in any position. If people in Australia may have never heard of him (and neither have I in the States and as a Football fan and a distanced wrestling fan) and wouldn't be able to get his name without a hint (may I point out the removal of other 'hints' throughout this game), maybe it would be best to drop the entry from the database.

No one else was Bugs Bunny but Mel Blanc (while he lived). Imagine, I'm trying to make this point with someone whose alias is looney_tunes!

More examples: TV cop, former football player = Fred Dryer (Rick Hunter); or,
Hungarian/American actor, cloak wearer, friended by Ed Wood = Bela Lugosi (Count Dracula)
In both cases I think it's obvious the parentheticals should be on the description side not the name side of the equations. If a name shows up on the descriptive side of the entry, shouldn't we realize it's a nickname, character or role name or a given title?
Posted by: mehaul

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Mar 18 2016 07:36 PM

Here's one closer to the one in question:

Pro wrestler, movie actor, reality TV star = Terry Bollea (Hulk Hogan)

-or-

Pro wrestler Hulk Hogan, movie actor, reality TV star = Terry Bollea
Posted by: 22crows

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Mar 18 2016 10:53 PM

Gary Walker

Your answer: American singer-drummer of the pop group 'The Walker Brothers'

American singer-drummer of the pop group 'The Walker Brothers' = (Gary Walker)
Posted by: MiraJane

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Mar 19 2016 01:05 AM

Mehaul, so far every example you have given is for people more well know than William Afflis. Wrestlers are known for having nicknames. Having the nickname as part of the answer gives people a hope of getting the answer correct.
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Mar 19 2016 04:15 AM

American actor; vaudevillian; comedian; member of the 'Marx Brothers'

Your answer: Groucho Marx

and

British East India Co. agent; founder of Yale University

Your answer: Elihu Yale
Posted by: mehaul

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Mar 19 2016 05:24 AM

Fred Dryer is well known around the world?

The point which I think you are missing mirajane is not that the hint should be removed but that the nickname should be on the descriptive side like a title would be, not on the actual name side of the equation (This is not Q&A it is an equation), not that the nickname should be removed. As in Sade = marquis + description, but not marquis de sade = description. Or how about Alexandrina (Queen Victoria) = British monarch, Empress of India instead of Alexandrina = Queen Victoria, British monarch, Empress of India. The nickname, title or even a formal assumed name should lie in the descriptive, not parenthetically with the real name. If people don't know William Afflis, giving his nickname in the description acts as the clue. The clue shouldn't be with the real name.
Posted by: spanishliz

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Mar 19 2016 07:27 AM

Quote:
Fred Dryer is well known around the world?


I watched his TV show when I lived in Spain, so "yes".
Posted by: kaddarsgirl

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Mar 19 2016 07:39 AM

Mehaul, I think you're confusing parenthetical nicknames with parenthetical characters.

For example, when you brought up Mel Blanc and Bugs Bunny. Bugs Bunny isn't a nickname, it's a character. Dick the Bruiser is a nickname, not a character. There's a difference there, and it's an important one.

The same goes for your Count Dracula example; it's clear that Dracula is a character, not a nickname.
Posted by: dippo

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Mar 19 2016 07:42 AM

Originally Posted By: spanishliz
Quote:
Fred Dryer is well known around the world?


I watched his TV show when I lived in Spain, so "yes".


And I didn't watch it in the UK, so "no"?

Not the best criteria to base a judgement on!
Posted by: flopsymopsy

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Mar 19 2016 07:48 AM

Poor Looney, I say.

I'm with Dippo.

I'm also with the pack who think that it isn't possible to remove every single clue from every single entry no matter how obvious it may make the answer - and Who Am I isn't supposed to be impossible even for those in the Champions division. I may think there are far too many 'junior' royals in the list but if they have to be in the list and the only thing that qualifies them to be there is their royal status then it has to go in. Similarly, if what made Groucho Marx famous was being one of the Marx Brothers then that also belongs. And frankly, much as I love WAI, after I've scanned the list for some American illustrator only his grandkids ever heard of, I breathe a sigh of relief when I spot someone I know. Even if it is Elmer Fudd. tongue
Posted by: spanishliz

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Mar 19 2016 07:59 AM

Originally Posted By: dippo
Originally Posted By: spanishliz
Quote:
Fred Dryer is well known around the world?


I watched his TV show when I lived in Spain, so "yes".


And I didn't watch it in the UK, so "no"?

Not the best criteria to base a judgement on!


However, it was available in the UK, as the station I was watching originated there smile

Just saying he's probably better known than the wrestler guy, or more to the point, the wrestler guy's real name.
Posted by: MiraJane

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Mar 19 2016 09:11 AM

Originally Posted By: mehaul
Fred Dryer is well known around the world?

The point which I think you are missing mirajane


You make the assumption, again, I've missed your point. I didn't. You missed mine and the one others have made. You've given no reason why a clue shouldn't be given with a real name except "it shouldn't be." having a clue with the real name is how people can pick the correct answer at times. The point of this game, as has been said, is not to make it impossible to play.
Posted by: mehaul

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Mar 19 2016 09:14 AM

kaddarsgirl,
Dick the Bruiser is a character name, not a nickname. Afflis played the role of a wrestler named Dick the Bruiser. It was not a nickname carried over from his football years like Joe 'Broadway' Namath. Or any of the other characters invented to play in the ring like William 'Haystack' Calhoon or George 'Gorgeous George' Wagner or my earlier example Terry 'Hulk Hogan' Bollea or Dwayne 'The Rock' Johnson or Roderick 'Rowdy Roddy Piper' Toombs.

I feel these Who? equations should all be set up as and only as

Name = clue 1 (usually ethnicity), clue 2, clue 3 and clue 4 if there's room

Since nicknames or character roles played would be a clue, I'd say they should go on the right side of the equation.
Posted by: mehaul

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Mar 19 2016 09:21 AM

Mirajane, You couldn't see the problem with the (Dick the Bruiser) post. I followed from the ^^this^^ thank you (post #1130398) point from the original poster, lonely-lady, that the parenthetical nickname was on the wrong side. You twisted the point to be about whether nicknames should be allowed as clues or not. So, yes, you missed the point.
Posted by: MiraJane

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Mar 19 2016 12:47 PM

Originally Posted By: mehaul


Since nicknames or character roles played would be a clue, I'd say they should go on the right side of the equation.



Again, you would say. But you don't get to make up the rules for this game.

I did not miss the point you have hammered in. You are missing what everyone else, except one person, is saying. As usual.
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Mar 19 2016 03:05 PM

I think it's time this debate stopped. Relevant points have been made multiple times, and the issue is clear. I will decide how I am going proceed on William Afflis / Dick the Bruiser, and do not need any further input, which is starting to become more of a squabble than a reasoned discussion. Nor is it useful to start debating whether people are well known or not. I had never heard of many of the names in the game before I started playing it, but an online search shows that they are indeed sufficiently well known in parts of the world to be included. Part of the point of playing this game is to expand your knowledge, after all, not just to confirm that you know what you know.

Lonely_lady, thanks for pointing out Groucho Marx and ELihu Yale. Both of these can certainly be well-defined without using their surname as part of the description, and will be changed next time I am amending the database.
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Mar 22 2016 01:12 PM

Daniel Solander

Your answer: Swedish 18th century botanist; invented the Solander box
Posted by: pyonir

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Mar 25 2016 04:00 PM

Today I had two of the same person back to back, but spelled differently. See below:

Ancient Chinese philosopher; founder of Taoism

Your answer: Lao-Tzu

Chinese founder of Taoism

Your answer: Lao-Tze
Posted by: mehaul

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Apr 01 2016 11:48 PM

I had no trouble with this one:

American industrialist; inventor of the Colt 45 revolver

Dylan Thomas
Alberto Santos-Dumont
Jacques Laffite
Alexandre Dumas (pere)
Samuel Colt
Alain Prost
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Apr 06 2016 03:28 AM

Joseph von Fraunhofer

Your answer: German optician; discovered Fraunhofer spectral lines
Posted by: pyonir

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Apr 07 2016 01:57 PM

Cartoon character; created by Hanna-Barbera Productions

Your answer: George Jetson
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Apr 12 2016 06:51 AM

Phar Lap

Your answer: New Zealand-foaled Thoroughbred racehorse; dominated Australian racing

I thought that animals were out, or did I remember wrong?
Posted by: rossian

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Apr 12 2016 04:37 PM

Lord Voldemort came up in my set today.
Posted by: mehaul

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Apr 13 2016 08:28 AM

I hope you threw an avracadaver incantation at him (that's the wrong spell I'm sure. Hope it didn't backfire!)
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Apr 20 2016 09:41 AM

St. Juan Diego

Your answer: Mexican Saint associated with Guadeloupe; first indigenous American saint
Posted by: Upstart3

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Apr 29 2016 12:32 PM

Two in one quiz today for me.

Fictional character; bear in 'The Jungle Book' by Rudyard Kipling
Your answer: Baloo

Roman goddess of the hunt & the Moon
Your answer: Diana
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Apr 30 2016 04:00 AM

Hedda Gabler

The correct answer was Fictional character; main female lead in a play by Henrik Ibsen
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed May 11 2016 07:51 AM

English mathematician; philosopher; invented Boolean logic

Your answer: George Boole

and

American film actor; son of Lloyd Bridges; brother of Beau

Your answer: Jeff Bridges
Posted by: mehaul

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri May 13 2016 11:38 PM

I got double easy on this one!: Dominic/Dominicans; Saint/St.

Spanish cleric; founded the Dominicans; patron saint of astronomers

Gerardus Mercator
Edouard Manet
Emeric Pressburger
Vincent van Gogh
St. Dominic
Martin Luther
Posted by: pyonir

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu May 19 2016 05:33 PM

Fictional character; secret identity of Superman

Your answer: Clark Kent
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat May 21 2016 07:09 AM

Danish chemist; astronomer; co-developer of the Hertzsprung-Russell diagram

Your answer: Ejnar Hertzsprung
Posted by: mehaul

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat May 21 2016 03:41 PM

And St. Dominic is his patron saint!
Posted by: gme24

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed May 25 2016 01:05 PM

8. Ancient Greek playwright; 'The Frogs'
Your answer: Euripides

Euripides = (Ancient Greek playwright; 'The Frogs')
Claude Debussy = (French composer; 'Clair de Lune')
Al Capone = (Italian-American Prohibition-era gangster; nicknamed 'Scarface')
Pierre Cardin = (Italian-born (1922) French fashion designer)
Bernard Haitink = (Dutch violinist; chief & guest conductor with many orchestras including the Concertgebouw Orchestra)
Desmond Haynes = (West Indian cricketer; longtime opening partner of Gordon Greenidge)


The correct answer is wrong. "The Frogs" was written by Aristophanes.
Posted by: rossian

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat May 28 2016 12:27 PM

Apis - Egyptian bull deity turned up today.
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Jun 01 2016 04:07 AM

American businessman; owner of Liggett & Myers Tobacco Co.

Your answer: John Edmund Liggett
Posted by: shuehorn

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Jun 01 2016 06:37 AM

Originally Posted By: lonely-lady
American businessman; owner of Liggett & Myers Tobacco Co.

Your answer: John Edmund Liggett


If the name of the company were eliminated from this clue, I would have NO idea who the person was. I wouldn't want it to become harder. Perhaps the person isn't famous enough on his own to be included at all?

Sue
Posted by: MiraJane

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Jun 02 2016 12:34 AM


Rudolph Giuliani
Your answer: American politician; businessman; former mayor of New York City (9/11)


Is it necessary to have (9/11) in the description for Rudy Giuliani?
Posted by: flopsymopsy

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Jun 02 2016 05:41 AM

Originally Posted By: MiraJane

Rudolph Giuliani
Your answer: American politician; businessman; former mayor of New York City (9/11)

Is it necessary to have (9/11) in the description for Rudy Giuliani?


For those of us outside the US, it's probably the only way we could pick his name out from a list of names any and all of which might be American. The only other Mayor of NYC I can name is the one who had an airport named after him and only if you prompt me.
Posted by: MiraJane

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Jun 02 2016 09:26 AM

I thought that was the reason. It put him the spotlight.
Posted by: Upstart3

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Jun 03 2016 11:43 AM

I lucked out today - had these in my set.

2. Ancient Greek philosopher; first to develop the theory of atomism
Your answer: Leucippus

5. Roman god of war
Your answer: Mars

13. British royalty; former King from 1760 to 1820
Your answer: George III of the UK
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Jun 03 2016 12:04 PM

Originally Posted By: shuehorn
Originally Posted By: lonely-lady
American businessman; owner of Liggett & Myers Tobacco Co.

Your answer: John Edmund Liggett


If the name of the company were eliminated from this clue, I would have NO idea who the person was. I wouldn't want it to become harder. Perhaps the person isn't famous enough on his own to be included at all?

Sue

I agree with you on having no clue without the answer being in the question, but is that any reason to give it away?

The debate on who is famous enough to be included has been done to death already
Posted by: pyonir

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Jun 05 2016 02:26 PM

American female novelist; short story author; early feminist; 'The Awakening'; initials are 'KC'

Your answer: Kate Chopin
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Jun 05 2016 03:24 PM

Those initials disappeared as soon as I got her in my set today. smile
Posted by: pyonir

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Jun 05 2016 04:34 PM

Originally Posted By: looney_tunes
Those initials disappeared as soon as I got her in my set today. smile


wink Good deal. Didn't realize we were in the same set today. lol
Posted by: Upstart3

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Jun 09 2016 12:55 PM

This was a bit of a gimme today.

6. German physicist; known for the Paschen series & curve
Your answer: Friedrich Paschen

And perhaps this one is too helpful.

11. British female columnist; agony aunt; 'Dear Marje'
Your answer: Marjorie Proops
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Jun 10 2016 04:52 AM

William Anderson 'Devil Anse' Hatfield

Your answer: American patriarch of the Hatfield clan; agreed to end the Hatfield-McCoy feud
Posted by: Upstart3

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon Jun 13 2016 12:57 PM

Here's another fictional one.

14. Fictional character; Norwegian female lead in a trilogy by Sigrid Undset
Your answer: Kristin Lavransdatter
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Jun 19 2016 06:18 AM

American singer of the pop duo 'Mickey & Sylvia'

Your answer: Mickey Baker
Posted by: shuehorn

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Jun 19 2016 07:12 AM

Originally Posted By: lonely-lady
American singer of the pop duo 'Mickey & Sylvia'

Your answer: Mickey Baker


So would this mean that this one would be eliminated altogether? I can't see how to give a clue without including the name of the duo. Just curious as to what the strategy is for this kind of entry.

Sue
Posted by: shuehorn

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Jun 19 2016 07:16 AM

Originally Posted By: lonely-lady
Originally Posted By: shuehorn
Originally Posted By: lonely-lady
American businessman; owner of Liggett & Myers Tobacco Co.

Your answer: John Edmund Liggett


If the name of the company were eliminated from this clue, I would have NO idea who the person was. I wouldn't want it to become harder. Perhaps the person isn't famous enough on his own to be included at all?

Sue

I agree with you on having no clue without the answer being in the question, but is that any reason to give it away?

The debate on who is famous enough to be included has been done to death already


Sorry I never responded to this. I am interested in how these are being solved. And I do think that sometimes the only solution is to remove the person altogether or leave a question that is almost impossible to answer, making the game a lot harder overall than it has been. I'm just wondering what the strategy is. Not meaning to open up a debate that has seemingly been done to death already, but this clean-up really does change the flavor of what remains in the game.
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Jun 19 2016 07:45 AM

According to Wiki,
Quote:
MacHouston Baker, known as Mickey Baker and Mickey "Guitar" Baker, was an American guitarist. He is widely held to be a critical force in the bridging of rhythm and blues and rock and roll, along with Bo Diddley, Ike Turner, and Chuck Berry.


All I do is point these out. It is up to the Editor to decide what to do. There is almost always something that makes someone stand out
Posted by: Upstart3

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Jun 19 2016 07:50 AM

It does get hard. Perhaps something like this?

American businessman; co-owner of a tobacco company with Myers
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon Jun 20 2016 12:51 AM

Gerry Marsden

Your answer: English rock musician; leader of 'Gerry & the Pacemakers'; TV personality
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon Jun 20 2016 01:50 AM

I am prepared to leave some of these that use a first name, we don't want to make all the questions so difficult that they move from the easy pool to the difficult pool when players can't answer them. Surnames are too much, and can usually be worked around easily. The changes that require an actual rewrite take a bit of time - not much, but they are a weekend task for me, and I spent last weekend indulging in the Funtrivia Setlist 2 challenge. The coming weekend should see me having time to address the ten required changes I have listed since the last update.
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon Jun 20 2016 02:36 AM

I always play the "Difficult" version of the game in the hope that there will be fewer Americans in it. I do understand that the ones I consider easy will not be so to others. There are so many factors involved such as age, sex, country of residence, country of origin etc. The last one, for example, is so easy to me as "Ferry Cross the Mersey" was the anthem of my childhood.
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon Jun 20 2016 03:35 AM

So you are about my age. smile

The two games draw from the same database, in which each name has a percentage correct attached to it dynamically. The majority of questions in each game come from the appropriate section of the database, but some "easy" questions do get pulled into some "difficult" sets, and vice versa. If you only play in difficult mode, you may be surprised to see the entries that make that crossover, but they do not necessarily need to be changed.
Posted by: MiraJane

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon Jun 20 2016 01:29 PM

Originally Posted By: lonely-lady
I always play the "Difficult" version of the game in the hope that there will be fewer Americans in it.


Why would think there would be fewer Americans playing in the Difficult version of Who Am I? Your comment borders on an insult.
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon Jun 20 2016 01:33 PM

I think it meant fewer of the questions would be about Americans, especially Americans who are not as widely known outside the US. The difficult version has a lot of European people, but I actually find them easier if I don't know the person, because their names are often an excellent indication of their nationality. Not always, of course - and I can think of a couple of Australians from European families who are guessed at a low level because those who do not know them mistakenly try for a nationality that seems to match the surname. They are quite familiar to Australians, but clearly not around the world.
Posted by: shuehorn

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Jun 21 2016 04:59 AM

Originally Posted By: looney_tunes
The changes that require an actual rewrite take a bit of time - not much, but they are a weekend task for me, and I spent last weekend indulging in the Funtrivia Setlist 2 challenge. The coming weekend should see me having time to address the ten required changes I have listed since the last update.


Thanks for all the time you put into this. It is greatly appreciated!!!

Sue
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Jun 21 2016 05:31 AM

It certainly is, thank you smile
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Jun 22 2016 05:10 AM

Michael Sars

Your answer: Norwegian biologist; rheologian; father of Georg Sars

~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Eugene Shoemaker

Your answer: American astronomer; co-discoverer of Comet Shoemaker-Levy 9
Posted by: pyonir

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Jun 25 2016 02:38 PM

Looks like this one just had the first name left off. Made it pretty easy though. haha:

American singer-songwriter of the pop group 'The Isley Brothers'

Your answer: Isley
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Jun 25 2016 04:58 PM

When I try to modify Isley, the database only offers me Bob Paisley, so I have been unable to modify that one - it is in my list of things I want to change but can't. This includes names that have been listed here before, but which are still hanging around - Rudolph Isley and Martha J Coston need to have their names removed from their description, and a couple of fictional/animal entries should be deleted.
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Jun 30 2016 04:38 AM

Richard Ramirez

Your answer: American serial killer; 'The Night Stalker'

I thought that entries about serial killers were being removed, or did I remember that wrong?
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Jul 01 2016 02:34 PM

Mary I of Scotland = (Scottish Queen who ascended to the throne when seven days old)
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Jul 03 2016 11:13 AM

Fictional character; cartoon wife of Barney

Betty Rubble
Posted by: rossian

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Jul 09 2016 10:10 AM

Fictional character: Daisy 'Granny' Moses.
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Jul 12 2016 05:39 AM

Sam Spade

Your answer: Fictional character; detective created by Dashiell Hammett
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Jul 13 2016 03:29 AM

Fictional character; football player in the film 'The Longest Yard'

Your answer: Paul 'Wrecking' Crewe
Posted by: Lones78

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Jul 15 2016 07:09 AM

Bell Hooks' entry has her name all in lower case smile
Posted by: Upstart3

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Jul 15 2016 08:24 AM

Originally Posted By: Lones78
Bell Hooks' entry has her name all in lower case smile


That's how she styles herself: bell hooks
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Jul 16 2016 05:39 AM

George Lascelles, 7th Earl of Harewood

Your answer: British nobility; author; former chairman of the board of the English National Opera
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon Jul 18 2016 05:03 PM

Christian IX of Denmark

Your answer: Danish King from 1863 to 1906; 'Father-in-law of Europe'
Posted by: windrush

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Jul 22 2016 06:00 PM

I've only just realised that I should have tried harder to win the monthly awards much earlier. (duh!).

Wondering why it's such a struggle, then discover that practically everyone ahead of me on the leader board are using Easy questions, while I'm on the Hard category. It will be virtually impossible for me to get the monthly award on the games where I'm listed as Champion.

How does this work? If I don't play a certain game for a couple of months, do I get downgraded to Easy level?
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Jul 22 2016 06:13 PM

Once a champion, always a champion. However, you can still choose to play the Easier game in Who Am I, but your scores won't count for the team game, if that matters to you. (At least I think you can make that choice - I always play Difficult for the team competition, so get lumped in with champions. I see the Easier option, but don't want to waste a day's score checking to see whether I can play Easier and get a set from that batch, or whether it still scores me against champions.)
Posted by: windrush

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Jul 22 2016 10:58 PM

Thanks LT! I'll persevere for now, but might try Easy mode if I get desperate.
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Jul 28 2016 09:51 PM

Memo to self - Nancy Astor was not a Vicountess.
Posted by: flopsymopsy

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Jul 29 2016 01:59 AM

Memo to LT - Oh yes, she was although I expect she included another 's'. wink
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Jul 29 2016 03:27 AM

That was the change I had in mind. smile
Posted by: TimBentley

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Jul 29 2016 10:24 PM

American singer-songwriter of the pop group 'The Isley Brothers'
Your answer: Isley
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Jul 29 2016 11:44 PM

That's been on my list to fix for a while, but when I enter Isley in my search box, the system only yields up Bob Paisley as a match.
Posted by: pyonir

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Jul 30 2016 10:41 AM

Arkle

Your answer: Irish Thoroughbred racehorse; steeplechaser

Non-human.
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Jul 30 2016 04:15 PM

Another one that is on the list because I cannot delete him - the database throws up Charles Barkley when I ask it to give me Arkle.
Posted by: pyonir

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Jul 30 2016 08:46 PM

That's so weird that you can't search the shortened name! There should be some sort of delimiter in there to allow you to truncate the word. Something like |arkle|. Probably a database thing Terry would have to rewrite (and I'm sure would be a bear).

LT, maybe there should be a copy of the list of ones you can't remove...in the first post of this topic? Or somewhere that we can double check? Just a thought. smile
Posted by: MiraJane

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Jul 30 2016 09:12 PM

The truth of the matter is that Isley and Arkle will never be allowed to be deleted from the Who Am I? database. You see .... they don't stay in one place.

They are happily, impishly, deviously running through out each set and changing the answers you just know you answered correctly. Then they hop back to their own definitions to giggle at our confusion over how we got those answers wrong and they do it all again the next day.
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Jul 30 2016 10:11 PM

Originally Posted By: pyonir
That's so weird that you can't search the shortened name! There should be some sort of delimiter in there to allow you to truncate the word. Something like |arkle|. Probably a database thing Terry would have to rewrite (and I'm sure would be a bear).

LT, maybe there should be a copy of the list of ones you can't remove...in the first post of this topic? Or somewhere that we can double check? Just a thought. smile

I am sure Terry could fix the issue, but I haven't even asked - it's really a very minor issue in the scheme of things, and he has much more important issues to take care of. It is a good idea to post my list of names I want to remove but haven't been able to, only I am not sure where - most people leap straight to the end, and wouldn't see any earlier entries. If I put it in the first entry, those in the know might take the time to go there and check, but most people just run in and post. Should I copy it over again every time we change pages? People might look to the top of the page, but I doubt that many would ever take the time to go back and scan the entire thing - and as time goes on that will only become more and more certain.

For those who are interested, here is my current list of entries that I know should be removed or edited, but which are firmly hiding in the database:
Quote:
Cher = (American singer-songwriter; actress); to be changed to American singer & actress; former partner of Sonny Bono; Best Actress Oscar for 'Moonstruck'
Martin Luther = German religious reformer; monk; theologian; to be changed to German religious reformer; his 95 Theses (1517) sparked the Protestant Reformation
Rudolph Isley = American singer-songwriter of the pop group 'The Isley Brothers'; to be changed to American singer-songwriter; with his brothers wrote & recorded 'Shout' (1959)
Martha J Coston = (description includes her name, since she invented the Coston flare)
Arkle - racehorse should be deleted
Isley = American singer-songwriter of the pop group 'The Isley Brothers' needs first name added and description amended
Diana = Roman goddess of the hunt & the Moon
Mars = Roman god of war
Posted by: pyonir

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Jul 31 2016 08:35 PM

Maybe just post the list whenever someone reports one of those that can't be removed or edited? That might be the easiest way to do it for now.

One issue for posting it each time we change pages is that the default number of posts per page is 25 and can be altered (I set it to 30). Some might have it higher or lower. So it wouldn't necessarily be at the top for everyone.
Posted by: HairyBear

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon Aug 01 2016 01:50 AM

LT, just out of curiosity, is it possible/have you tried to search the database for the description rather than the name? Maybe you could access those names that are hiding that way.
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon Aug 01 2016 02:37 AM

I can only access the database by entering the name. My screen only offers that search field. Possibly I will be able to arrange to have this changed, but that is the way it is right now. If I could actually search the database with a search for key words, whether in name or description, it would be more more flexible!
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Aug 03 2016 07:54 AM

Scottish Queen who ascended to the throne when seven days old

Your answer: Mary I of Scotland
Posted by: MiraJane

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Aug 03 2016 04:29 PM

Originally Posted By: lonely-lady
Scottish Queen who ascended to the throne when seven days old

Your answer: Mary I of Scotland



I know royals are being removed because they are in the database only because they are royals. Some royals had more of an impact on history and deserve to stay. This is an example of one. She also did a lot in her life so it is difficult to sum up in the space constraints of the game. But what is your objection to her? I don't see what your objection is to many of the names you list. Perhaps you could let the rest of us know what you object to?
Posted by: HairyBear

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Aug 05 2016 02:38 AM

I think her objection is the Scotland/Scottish kind of gives it away. I wasn't aware royals were being removed just for being royals.
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Aug 05 2016 02:44 AM

They're not, but I am trying to replace their descriptions with something about them, not just the name of the country - and also trying to reduce the number of times it is necessary to double up. Mary I of Scotland, for example, could have her name listed as Mary Stuart.
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Aug 05 2016 06:22 AM

Philip (Duke of Edinburgh) is definitely male, but he appears in a list of females. Is it possible to change this?

BTW I post in this thread to bring looney-tunes' attention to certain entries that go against the ideal of the game in some way, not to enter into a debate as to the merits of individual inclusions.
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Aug 05 2016 05:27 PM

The algorithm Terry uses to have the game select batches of names for each match is clearly set up so that it usually provides all members of the same gender, but with an occasional wild card so that you only get one of a particular gender, which may or may not be the right answer. I believe that is intentional, to just add a frisson every once in a while.
Posted by: MiraJane

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Aug 05 2016 10:19 PM

Originally Posted By: lonely-lady
Philip (Duke of Edinburgh) is definitely male, but he appears in a list of females. Is it possible to change this?

BTW I post in this thread to bring looney-tunes' attention to certain entries that go against the ideal of the game in some way, not to enter into a debate as to the merits of individual inclusions.



I'm not asking you to enter into conversation, discussion, or debate. Simply putting a name up without saying why you object to it doesn't point out what the problem is.
Posted by: flopsymopsy

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Aug 06 2016 09:56 AM

There's no hope for LT - now the Olympics are underway there will be a lot more titles to follow. This is a quote from the BBC's Twitter account:

"There's (sic) more sirs in the BBC's coverage of the Olympics than in Game Of Thrones."

grin
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Aug 07 2016 06:42 AM

Fictional character; girl created by Astrid Lindgren

Your answer: Pippi Longstockings

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

BTW I post in this thread to bring looney-tunes' attention to certain entries.
Posted by: mehaul

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Aug 07 2016 08:55 AM

And if you decide to keep Pippi, there is no 's' on the end of her name.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pippi_Longstocking
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon Aug 15 2016 11:30 AM

English royalty; youngest son of Charles I

Your answer: James II of England
Posted by: agony

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Aug 19 2016 09:04 PM

Jared Fogel = (American spokesman for Subway Restaurants)

This is outdated, and anyway maybe we don't want him?
Posted by: namrewsna

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Aug 20 2016 08:04 AM

I didn't care for him even when his image was still clean.
Even ignoring all of that mess if you can, I agree he was a textbook 15 minutes of fame type and becomes increasingly too obscure for this game every day.

although that brings up a question (sorry if it was addressed before, I didn't see it). Controversial figures have shown up in this game and it seems to be ok if that controversy was the source of their original fame/notoriety, but in a case like this or a Bill Cosby, is that fall from grace alone a basis for removal?
Posted by: agony

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Aug 20 2016 02:21 PM

I suspect it will be looked at on a case by case basis. That's how we tend to roll, here.
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Aug 20 2016 08:08 PM

I didn't know anything about a controversy associated with Jared Fogle until I read that post and googled him - I will be removing him simply because his celebrity was too passing in an international context and the association that brought him to attention has ceased. Even his disgrace didn't make international headlines, he just stopped being seen in Subway ads, without any fanfare.

The plethora of people who are revealed to have used their rightly-earned fame as a lever into sexual misbehavior are another kettle of fish. Rolf Harris and Bill Cosby had just cause for inclusion, and I don't remember whether or not I decided to remove them - certainly not when charges were first made and they hit the headlines, certainly - innocent until proven guilty and all that. I am undecided as to whether moral turpitude is cause for removal, if the description can legitimately be kept without reference to it, and willing to take advice on it. I'm pretty sure that Jimmy Saville was removed due to strong feeling on the matter.
Posted by: rossian

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon Aug 22 2016 03:47 PM

Kim Philby came up twice in the same set today - once as Kim Philby and also as
'Kim' Philby. The definitions weren't identical but were, as you'd expect, similar.
Posted by: pyonir

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Aug 25 2016 03:07 PM

Fictional character from TV's 'Married...with Children', played by Ed O'Neill

Your answer: Al Bundy
Posted by: MiraJane

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Aug 25 2016 09:28 PM


Melvin Belli = (American lawyer; known as 'The King of Torts')

There's nothing wrong with the description above. It's just a little bland. Would you consider, perhaps, adding in that he was on Star Trek, first series, commonly abbreviated TOS (an abbreviation I dislike).
Posted by: HairyBear

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Aug 26 2016 03:56 AM

Melvin Belli is probably better known for his defense of Jack Ruby than his one appearance in Star Trek.

I actually don't have a problem with the fictional characters in the list, but Barney Google? Come on.
Posted by: MiraJane

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Aug 26 2016 04:59 AM

My suggestion had nothing to do with what he is well known for. It was a suggestion for an odd fact and because five hours of Star Trek was on TV tonight.
Posted by: flopsymopsy

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Aug 26 2016 07:29 AM

I'd never heard of him the first time round, let alone adding odd facts; I should be very confused. On this side of the pond we may hear of some of your criminals but their lawyers? Not so much. smile
Posted by: pyonir

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Aug 26 2016 11:52 AM

Francesca Annis

Your answer: Brazilian-born British film & TV actress; 'Dune', 'Macbeth' & 'Wives and Daughters'

Everything I can find says she was born in London. She moved to Brazil when she was a year old according to Wikipedia, which also states that her mother was Brazilian-French.

Other sources for her birthplace:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francesca_Annis
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/11529602/Francesca-Annis-on-life-death-and-love.html
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2013/jun/18/francesca-annis-actor-portrait-artist
Posted by: HairyBear

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Aug 27 2016 01:30 AM

I would be interested to know Melvin Belli's line of defense, considering millions of people saw Jack Ruby shoot Lee Harvey Oswald on live television. A previously unknown evil twin brother, perhaps? But then Ruby was never out of police custody from one second later until the trial, so that wouldn't fly, either. Mass hypnosis?
Posted by: mehaul

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Aug 27 2016 12:38 PM

Re: Francesca Annis:
Originally Posted By: Post #544777 - Sat Aug 14 2010 07:23 PM Re: Who Am I - Content Issues Re: JMElston - The first Who Am I thread
mehaul says: I encountered Francesca Annis today. The answer stated she is a British actress. She was born and raised until seven in Brazil. At best you could call her Brazilian-Anglo but not British.

Then flopsymopsy replied:
Quote:
Being born in country X doesn't necessarily give you that country's nationality. It may do, in that some countries confer that entitlement to anyone born within their borders, but some people choose to take their parental nationality irrespective of where they were born. Francesca Annis had a British father and has lived in the UK since she was seven - she's now 65. I think she'd have said by now if she wanted to be Brazilian.

I hope this historic research which took a long time to find, saves flopsymopsy from having to repeat her valid response to my notice of the same situation with the beautiful Francesca.
Posted by: flopsymopsy

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Aug 27 2016 04:07 PM

Thank you, mehaul, that's well found. smile
Posted by: mehaul

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Aug 27 2016 05:05 PM

This link is to the top post on my page 4, about 100 posts into the thread.
http://www.funtrivia.com/forums/ubbthreads.php/topics/511316/4



The last post in that thread was in June 2013 if you want to track down the posts by the thread history log, just before this thread started for looney_tunes' hostile, leveraged take over of the WAI duties from JMElston. Ah the memories, all that blood. Names tossed around. l_t began swinging her axe mightily. It was an event to behold. Before her arrival, we had to walk twenty miles with our ponderings through rain, snow and hurricanes. Then Al Gore invented the internet and everything changed.
Posted by: dippo

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Sep 01 2016 07:56 AM

"Gerald Cavendish Grosvenor, 6th Duke of Westminster"

We've moved on. The correct answer is now Hugh Grosvenor, 7th Duke of Westminster, as the 6th Duke died in August 2016. However, the description is also incorrect. He is not one of Britain's biggest landowners after the Queen, as the property is owned by a trust. Otherwise he'd have to pay death duties!
Posted by: pyonir

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Sep 01 2016 12:53 PM

Fictional cartoon character; teenage daughter of George & Jane; voiced by Janet Waldo

Your answer: Judy Jetson
Posted by: Shadowmyst2004

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Sep 01 2016 02:13 PM

Originally Posted By: pyonir
Fictional cartoon character; teenage daughter of George & Jane; voiced by Janet Waldo

Your answer: Judy Jetson


What's the error?
Posted by: pyonir

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Sep 01 2016 03:30 PM

Originally Posted By: Shadowmyst2004
Originally Posted By: pyonir
Fictional cartoon character; teenage daughter of George & Jane; voiced by Janet Waldo

Your answer: Judy Jetson


What's the error?


Fictional character's are being removed.
Posted by: Shadowmyst2004

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Sep 01 2016 08:28 PM

Ah, gotcha. I'm new to the forums, so I wasn't aware. Thanks for clarifying.
Posted by: mehaul

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Sep 01 2016 09:43 PM

They are being phased out as the key name. They can still remain I think if they are someone's created character such as:

Chic Young = American cartoonist, creator of Blondie and Dagwood

But not in reverse

Dagwood Bumstead = character from Chic Young's cartoon "Blondie"

So the above entry might change to Janet Waldo = American voice actress of the cartoon character Judy Jetson
Or, it might just be removed from the database. It's up to looney_tunes, keeper of the game.
Hope I've expressed a correct situation. There's clean-ups going on all over this place. And welcome to the Forums.
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Sep 07 2016 09:46 AM

Russian writer; wife of Osip Mandelstam

Your answer: Nadezhda Mandelstam
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Sep 08 2016 02:00 AM

Mr. Bigglesworth

Your answer: Cat in Austin Powers trilogy
Posted by: mehaul

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Sep 13 2016 10:53 PM

American film & TV actor; 'Law & Order: SVU'
Your answer: Chris Meloni

Chris is a nickname, one that he doesn't even use. All his credits are as Christopher, not Chris. I doubt you are nearing a character limit on the target name so the use of a short 'nickname' would seem out of place and even misleading since nowhere is he known as that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Meloni
Posted by: spanishliz

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Sep 14 2016 12:35 AM

Actually, his listing at imdb shows him credited as "Chris Meloni" for several appearances in both film and TV.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0005221/?ref_=nv_sr_1
Posted by: mehaul

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Sep 15 2016 05:10 AM

The title of the IMDB page is for Christopher Meloni. I see an entry where he used Chris Meloni for a character name: "Chris Meloni Freakout Compilation (Short)
Chris Meloni". Those are character names listed with the production names. When actors use a different name than their own as the credit name (not the character name), IMDB lists it as "Credited as_____" or as listed at the entry for 'The Small Hours (as Chris Meloni)'. Under the full bio they list "Birth Name Christopher Peter Meloni".

Chris is still a nick name for his given name and usual screen credit name of Christopher, si? smile

Would it be better as Christopher (Chris) Meloni?
Posted by: spanishliz

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Sep 15 2016 07:59 AM

As I said in my previous post, there are several (six I make it) instances which show "(as Chris Meloni)" in the link I posted, including the movie "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas" and episodes of "Law and Order". Perhaps your suggestion of using both Christopher and Chris would work, but I don't think it absolutely necessary.
Posted by: ssabreman

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Sep 16 2016 03:33 PM

Doing a google search for Chris Meloni automatically goes to Christopher Meloni, the preferred name. Does the actor write his own name in the cast listing for minor roles? Probably not. But I'll check on that with my good buddies Chris Walken, Chris Plummer, Bob De Niro and Mike Caine.
Posted by: mehaul

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Sep 16 2016 08:17 PM

Jack Kennedy and Chuck Heston might refer you to Liz Taylor, Dick Burton, Boz Dickens and Will Shakespeare.

On that IMDB page there are well over 100 listings unnamed (meaning he's Christopher in them) versus 6 (?) that say Chris. His facebook page is for Christopher Meloni too.
https://www.facebook.com/search/str/Christopher+Meloni/keywords_top
Posted by: spanishliz

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Sep 16 2016 08:40 PM

I was simply providing evidence that your statement "nowhere is he known as that" was an overstatement. This really isn't worth continuing to discuss. LT will do whatever she thinks is necessary.
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Sep 22 2016 04:45 PM

Pope Urban II

Your answer: French Pontiff; called for First Crusade; established the modern Roman Curia
Posted by: pyonir

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Sep 27 2016 01:47 PM

Another Fictional character.

Fictional character; millionaire on TVs 'Beverly Hillbillies'

Your answer: Jed 'J.D.' Clampett
Posted by: rossian

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Sep 29 2016 10:00 AM

Fictional character Hopalong Cassidy cropped up in my set today.
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Sep 30 2016 10:44 AM

Joseph Marie Jacquard

Your answer: French silk weaver; inventor; invented the Jacquard loom
Posted by: rossian

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Oct 05 2016 02:55 PM

Fictional character - Barney Google.
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Oct 06 2016 07:22 AM

William Hartnell

Your answer: English actor; the 1st Dr. Who

"Doctor Who" is not the name of the character, it is the title of the show. Hartnell played the first incarnation of the Doctor.
Posted by: shuehorn

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Oct 16 2016 02:42 PM

Got this in my set today:

13. Arkle
Your answer: Irish Thoroughbred racehorse; steeplechaser
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Oct 16 2016 03:28 PM

He's one of the ones I couldn't delete - entering Arkle into my query threw up a blank return.
Posted by: Emma058

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Oct 18 2016 10:41 AM

In the set I received today was the following:
Angela Merkel

Your answer: became first female Chancellor of the Federal Republic of Germany in 2005

German film actress; sex symbol; 'Tess' & 'Cat People' = (Nastassja Kinski)
Polish-French scientist; won Nobel Prizes for Physics & Chemistry = (Marie Curie)
Italian-born American film & TV actress; 'Charmed' = (Rose McGowan)
Canadian-American film actress; 'King Kong' = (Fay Wray)
became first female Chancellor of the Federal Republic of Germany in 2005 = (Angela Merkel)
French-born American stage & Oscar-winning film actress; 'It Happened One Night' = (Claudette Colbert)

I was querying about the description of Angela Merkel in "became".
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon Oct 24 2016 06:27 AM

Dame Gracie Fields

Your answer: English-Italian singer; stage, film & TV actress; comedienne; 'Sally' & 'Stage Door Canteen'

Dame Gracie Fields lived in Capri. That does NOT make her Italian. She was invested as Dame of the British Empire only a short time before her death. Had she been Italian, that would never have happened.
Posted by: shuehorn

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Oct 25 2016 07:56 AM

Originally Posted By: lonely-lady
Dame Gracie Fields

Your answer: English-Italian singer; stage, film & TV actress; comedienne; 'Sally' & 'Stage Door Canteen'

Dame Gracie Fields lived in Capri. That does NOT make her Italian. She was invested as Dame of the British Empire only a short time before her death. Had she been Italian, that would never have happened.


She was also an Italian citizen, by virtue of her marriage, and was stripped of her British citizenship during WWII because of her Italian status. I imagine that the British citizenship was reinstated prior to her becoming a Dame, but I think she remained a dual national.

Sue
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Nov 08 2016 07:59 AM

Charles E. Merrill

Your answer: American stockbroker; philanthropist; co-founded Merrill Lynch & Co.
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Nov 08 2016 08:10 AM

Originally Posted By: shuehorn
Originally Posted By: lonely-lady
Dame Gracie Fields

Your answer: English-Italian singer; stage, film & TV actress; comedienne; 'Sally' & 'Stage Door Canteen'

Dame Gracie Fields lived in Capri. That does NOT make her Italian. She was invested as Dame of the British Empire only a short time before her death. Had she been Italian, that would never have happened.


She was also an Italian citizen, by virtue of her marriage, and was stripped of her British citizenship during WWII because of her Italian status. I imagine that the British citizenship was reinstated prior to her becoming a Dame, but I think she remained a dual national.

Sue


According to the gov.uk site;
Quote:
You can’t have dual citizenship if you’re a British subject or a British protected person unless you’re a British subject from the Republic of Ireland.


She was never officially stripped of her citizenship because she and her husband went to live in America to avoid his internment.
Posted by: shuehorn

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Nov 08 2016 12:37 PM

I know people who are dual British and US citizens...

Perhaps it was different in her day?

Sue
Posted by: flopsymopsy

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Nov 08 2016 01:47 PM

What lonely_lady said is incorrect. Until the British Nationality Act of 1948, anyone born in the UK was a British subject, which has a slightly different connotation to being a citizen. However, that Act made a distinction between subjects and citizens and anyone born before it took effect in 1949 automatically became a citizen. All those people had the right to live in the UK and to come and go as they pleased (I'm assuming that people designated as traitors in the war might have lost some rights to travel), and they were always able to hold citizenship in other countries as well. That would have applied to Gracie Fields. She was not stripped of her citizenship and she was able to have Italian citizenship as well. Her problem was one to which women were subjected (and still are in many places) - if a British woman married a jolly foreigner, her husband did not have the right to become a British subject. So Gracie's husband had no right of entry here other than as a visitor and after Italy declared war, if he had arrived he would have been interned as an enemy alien. Therefore, he and Gracie went to the USA and she toured from there, entertaining the troops and raising money for the war effort. And then they stayed in Italy, on Capri. There was a degree of public hostility towards her (well, not hostility perhaps but frostiness) because she had had a better life in the USA than she would have had she stayed - no Blitz for her, for example, but Californian hotels and luxury. So after the war, she and her husband stayed in Capri and she visited the UK rather than come back as a resident - but she was a citizen and free to do what she liked.

The nationality laws have changed a number of times since 1948 to reflect immigration policy changes resulting from changes in the Empire. There are several ways of being British now, of being a subject and/or a citizen. What lonely-lady quoted referred to the status of subjects who have had to qualify to live here in some way; they don't all qualify for dual nationality. But that didn't apply to Gracie.
Posted by: Shadowmyst2004

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Nov 10 2016 11:29 PM

Accidently clicked easy today and got these.

Mad Hatter
Your answer: Fictional character; hat maker in 'Alice's Adventures in Wonderland' by Lewis Carroll


Scooby-Doo
Your answer: Fictional character; cartoon dog created for Hanna-Barbera Productions
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Nov 11 2016 12:23 AM

I'll wait 24 hours to remove them, in case their removal does bad things to today's games.
Posted by: mehaul

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Nov 11 2016 01:24 AM

Originally Posted By: flopsymopsy
What lonely_lady said is incorrect. Until the British Nationality Act of 1948, anyone born in the UK was a British subject, which has a slightly different connotation to being a citizen. However, that Act made a distinction between subjects and citizens and anyone born before it took effect in 1949 automatically became a citizen. All those people had the right to live in the UK and to come and go as they pleased (I'm assuming that people designated as traitors in the war might have lost some rights to travel), and they were always able to hold citizenship in other countries as well. That would have applied to Gracie Fields. She was not stripped of her citizenship and she was able to have Italian citizenship as well. Her problem was one to which women were subjected (and still are in many places) - if a British woman married a jolly foreigner, her husband did not have the right to become a British subject. So Gracie's husband had no right of entry here other than as a visitor and after Italy declared war, if he had arrived he would have been interned as an enemy alien. Therefore, he and Gracie went to the USA and she toured from there, entertaining the troops and raising money for the war effort. And then they stayed in Italy, on Capri. There was a degree of public hostility towards her (well, not hostility perhaps but frostiness) because she had had a better life in the USA than she would have had she stayed - no Blitz for her, for example, but Californian hotels and luxury. So after the war, she and her husband stayed in Capri and she visited the UK rather than come back as a resident - but she was a citizen and free to do what she liked.

The nationality laws have changed a number of times since 1948 to reflect immigration policy changes resulting from changes in the Empire. There are several ways of being British now, of being a subject and/or a citizen. What lonely-lady quoted referred to the status of subjects who have had to qualify to live here in some way; they don't all qualify for dual nationality. But that didn't apply to Gracie.


I selected go back on my browser and I was given this post to build on, not as an edit but as flopsymopsy's complete post in the enter form area under my alias as if I'd written it, Is this a server burp? I really wanted to go back to the FT Home Page to do the GC not enter this post addition.
Posted by: shuehorn

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Nov 11 2016 01:03 PM

My guess is that your situation was just a blip. I did the same thing as a test, and I just got back to the list of forum posts.
Posted by: mehaul

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Nov 11 2016 11:35 PM

Thanks. I couldhave bet it was just a browser issue, but if it was a server issue, I know Terry could visit the logs and check that my browser somehow hit on the "quote" option for a post two before the bottom one, My mouse hasn't been plagued with making clicks on its own (yet).
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Nov 15 2016 11:02 AM

American former First Lady; wife of James Madison

Your answer: Dolley Madison

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

American physician; co-founder of a famous Minnesota clinic

Your answer: Dr. William James Mayo
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Nov 24 2016 09:53 AM


Maurice Chevalier

Your answer: Belgian-French singer; film actor; 'Love in the Afternoon' & 'Gigi'

Although he did have Belgian ancestry, both of his parents were French. He was probably the most famous Frenchman when I was growing up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:French_people_of_Belgian_descent
Posted by: shuehorn

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Nov 25 2016 11:03 AM

Originally Posted By: lonely-lady

Maurice Chevalier

Your answer: Belgian-French singer; film actor; 'Love in the Afternoon' & 'Gigi'

Although he did have Belgian ancestry, both of his parents were French. He was probably the most famous Frenchman when I was growing up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:French_people_of_Belgian_descent


The show "Maurice and Me" may be the origin of the idea that Chevalier is Belgian and French, though it appears to be more true of the actor who plays Chevalier in the tribute show (who does hold dual citizenship) than of Chevalier himself (see link below).

http://www.lyrictheatre.com/past-show/151-

I have been unable to find any evidence that Chevalier's parents applied for his Belgian citizenshhip before he was 18 years of age (the rules for those born before 1967), and when he acquired French citizenship at 18, he would then have lost the possibility of being a dual national.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgian_nationality_law

Perhaps the best solution would be to reword this as: "French singer of Belgian descent; film actor;..."

Sue
Posted by: littlepup

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Dec 28 2016 04:58 PM

Jerry Seinfield
American comedian; film, TV & voice actor; writer; 'Bee Movie'

Maybe my viewpoint is skewed because I've never seen Bee Movie, but I thought he was far, FAR more famous for his TV show Seinfield. Maybe the TV show was deliberately left out to make the question harder perhaps? If so, no disagreement. I got the answer right because he was the only Amerian comedian, but if he'd been on there with another American comedian, I would have had no clue who was in Bee Movie.
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Dec 28 2016 05:34 PM

We try not to use the person's name as part of the description. I didn't write that entry, but might consider trying to reword it to include a reference to the eponymous TV show (if the character limit makes it workable).
Posted by: littlepup

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Dec 31 2016 10:45 PM

maybe...

TV show about "nothing"

or...

semi-autobiographical TV show

Just some thoughts.
Posted by: Shadowmyst2004

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Jan 15 2017 03:54 PM

American 4-star Navy Admiral; father of John McCain III

Answer: John McCain Jr.


Russian Kazakhstani Olympic & World Champion weightlifter

Answer: Ilya Ilin

With the second one, just need to point out Russian & Kazakhstani I think. It's worded weird is all.
Posted by: flopsymopsy

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Jan 15 2017 04:49 PM

Originally Posted By: Shadowmyst2004


Russian Kazakhstani Olympic & World Champion weightlifter

Answer: Ilya Ilin

With the second one, just need to point out Russian & Kazakhstani I think. It's worded weird is all.


He's no longer an Olympic champion as both his medals were taken away because of failed drugs tests.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilya_Ilyin
Posted by: Shadowmyst2004

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon Jan 16 2017 11:39 PM

Originally Posted By: flopsymopsy
Originally Posted By: Shadowmyst2004


Russian Kazakhstani Olympic & World Champion weightlifter

Answer: Ilya Ilin

With the second one, just need to point out Russian & Kazakhstani I think. It's worded weird is all.


He's no longer an Olympic champion as both his medals were taken away because of failed drugs tests.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ilya_Ilyin


Good catch. I hadn't looked that far into him.
Posted by: Shadowmyst2004

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Mon Jan 16 2017 11:39 PM

Rev. Chad Varah
Your answer: English Anglican priest; founder of the 'Samaritans'

Maybe remove Rev. makes it a bit easy when there is only one "priest" among the options.
Posted by: MiraJane

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Jan 17 2017 12:33 PM

Originally Posted By: Shadowmyst2004
Rev. Chad Varah
Your answer: English Anglican priest; founder of the 'Samaritans'

Maybe remove Rev. makes it a bit easy when there is only one "priest" among the options.




Except for those times when there may be another man of the cloth included in the options.
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Tue Jan 17 2017 12:47 PM

And especially when the name is not immediately "English" - the title has been left in place.
Posted by: ozzz2002

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Feb 09 2017 02:24 AM

Quote:
French matematician; known for his Last Theorem


A simple typo.
Posted by: chang50

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Apr 08 2017 02:49 AM


Today's who am I? states Bertrand Russell was an English philosopher when he is Welsh (born Monmouthshire) or British would have been ok.
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Apr 08 2017 03:00 AM

Changed to British, as per the Wikipedia article. (From the non-British parts of the world, where many of our players are located, these distinctions are not at all clear! While he was born in Wales, most of his adult life was associated with his work at English universities, so British seems the most appropriate description.)
Posted by: Upstart3

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Apr 08 2017 06:44 AM

I'm sure that's the best thing to do looney tunes.
Those of us who were born in Monmouthshire know, but many do not, that our county had an ambiguous status until Peter Walker abolished it in the 1970s. The maps showed Wales and Monmouthshire.
Posted by: lonely-lady

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Apr 08 2017 12:15 PM

Paul McGann

Your answer: English actor; the 8th Dr. Who

Should read: English actor; the 8th incarnation of The Doctor in the Dr. Who film - or words to that effect.

Dr. Who is the name of the TV series as well as books and film. The character is known only as "The Doctor".
Posted by: chang50

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sun Apr 09 2017 12:23 AM

Originally Posted By: looney_tunes
Changed to British, as per the Wikipedia article. (From the non-British parts of the world, where many of our players are located, these distinctions are not at all clear! While he was born in Wales, most of his adult life was associated with his work at English universities, so British seems the most appropriate description.)


Undoubtedly the correct decision : )
Posted by: MiraJane

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri Apr 21 2017 12:29 AM

From today:

Sir Henry Morton Stanley
American journalist & explorer sent to find Dr. Livingstone


If Mr. Stanley was only American, he wouldn't be allowed to be a Sir. Form I've found he is described as Welsh-American or British-American. I've also seen A,erican by itself but then you would have to drop the Sir.
Posted by: halekotsi

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Apr 26 2017 12:43 AM

Yesterday's had the clue "American businessman and philanthropist." Two of the choices were Charles Schwab (the answer it was looking for) and John Jacob Astor, who was also an American businessman and philanthropist.
Posted by: looney_tunes

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Wed Apr 26 2017 01:36 AM

I'll have to try and find the Charles Schwab entry you mention. When I enter Schwab in my search box, it gives me Charles M. Schwab = "American steel magnate; former executive of Bethlehem Steel". The other one is presumably Charles R. Schwab, but his name won't come up for modification of the entry to identify him in a more unique fashion, maybe "American financier; pioneered discount sales of equity securities".

The entry for John Jacob Astor is: "First American millionaire; fur trader; great-grandson with same name died on the Titanic".
Posted by: HairyBear

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Fri May 12 2017 10:28 PM

This is a little fussy, but Juan Ponce de Leon contains no mention of Florida, or the fact that he was the first European to attempt a settlement on the North American mainland. I know you don't have much room to work with, but Florida should figure into his bio.
Posted by: HairyBear

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Jun 15 2017 12:00 AM

You know, I've seen Henry Handel Richardson (Australian female writer) pop up on more than one occasion, but I've never seen Henry HOBSON Richardson (American architect known for the Richardsonian Romanesque style) pop up even once. Can you check to make sure he's in the list? Henry Handel is in the list twice, once under that name and once under her real name, so you could use one of those listings to put Hobson in there if you haven't figured out how to add a new listing yet.
Posted by: dippo

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Thu Jun 15 2017 07:39 AM

Originally Posted By: HairyBear
You know, I've seen Henry Handel Richardson (Australian female writer) pop up on more than one occasion, but I've never seen Henry HOBSON Richardson (American architect known for the Richardsonian Romanesque style) pop up even once. Can you check to make sure he's in the list? Henry Handel is in the list twice, once under that name and once under her real name, so you could use one of those listings to put Hobson in there if you haven't figured out how to add a new listing yet.



Henry Hobson Richardson's name often crops up in the conversation in my local pub, particularly when the topic is the Richardsonian Romanesque style.

Just how obscure do names have to be to get onto the list? I realise that recently we've been using numbers 400 to 500 from the list of 500 famous Danes, but my personal opinion is that some of the names being used in the game are so unknown that they should never be included. If the names were to be presented without the nationality and occupation, and without the other names being shown to eliminate some of the choices, I'm sure that most people wouldn't know them from Adam (First man in the Christian bible).
Posted by: HairyBear

Re: Who Am I - Content Issues - Sat Jun 17 2017 09:00 AM

Irrelevant to this thread, but I only know Richardson from a book I picked up years ago called Field Guide to American Houses where the Richardsonian Romanesque style is listed. They mention in the book that Richardson and the style are both much better known in Europe than they are in the U.S., and here I have proof. I doubt I'd meet one person in a hundred in the U.S. who knew who that was. Of course, this is a trivia site.