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#1038624 - Fri Mar 21 2014 07:42 AM Re: More than one Quiz under review [Re: TonyTheDad]
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The editors are a patient and busy lot. I've never been led astray by any and never gotten bad advice. In fact, if not for their courteous suggestions and corrections, I'd still be writing the same drivel as I started with.
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#1039205 - Tue Mar 25 2014 09:01 PM Re: More than one Quiz under review [Re: TonyTheDad]
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I will wait a month for my quiz to go online. I will wait two months. I just want some kind of way to confirm that it actually is IN the queue, because I can't figure out how to tell and it's been 17 days. I know it's a busy category that explodes during Spring Break. If it's at the bottom of the queue and is going to take till Christmas, so be it. Just -- how do I know it didn't fall back in behind my sock drawer with my nail file?

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#1039206 - Tue Mar 25 2014 09:08 PM Re: Quiz Queues...Waiting Time [Re: TonyTheDad]
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If it is your quiz about the Mills Brothers, it does not appear to have been submitted yet.

To check, any time, go to My Quizzes - Edit and look at the right hand column headed Online?, which will indicate Offline, Submitted or Yes with a date.


Edited by spanishliz (Tue Mar 25 2014 09:10 PM)
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#1039362 - Wed Mar 26 2014 03:00 PM Re: Quiz Queues...Waiting Time [Re: TonyTheDad]
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You can also go to your Author Central page and it will list your works in progress and your currently submitted quizzes, if any.

http://www.funtrivia.com/author.cfm
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#1081200 - Sat Jan 17 2015 01:04 PM Quiz Submissions
sisterseagull Offline
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Has this question been asked previously?

After submitting a quiz or a crossword, it's useful to be able to see how long it may be that your submission will sit in the queue awaiting editing, but I think it would be useful to see exactly how many submissions are awaiting editing in any given quiz category.

Would this involve a lot of work or is it even possible?

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#1081202 - Sat Jan 17 2015 01:27 PM Re: Quiz Submissions [Re: sisterseagull]
kyleisalive Online   FT-cool
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The issue with this is that not all quizzes are approached in chronological order for varying reasons. Even if we give a warning saying 'Your quiz is tenth in line', seven of the ones ahead of you may be waiting for a specific editor and two could be on hold since those authors have already had quizzes placed online that hour (for instance), so your quiz could be the first on the docket for editing.

Likewise, the quiz could be at the top of the queue, tagged for an editor, waiting for a few days, and others could be going on ahead of yours since they are not waiting for someone specific. Then our queue count seems unfair.

The editors want to get to your quiz quickly; we promise. smile
We don't, however, want people to expect something and be angry or disappointed when we can't deliver on that expectation. Telling someone their quiz is next when it isn't doesn't look good on anyone, regardless of the valid reasons. The amount of this we can minimize, the better.
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#1081220 - Sat Jan 17 2015 02:39 PM Re: Quiz Submissions [Re: sisterseagull]
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That's cool Kyle... I wasn't thinking about a list showing players exactly where their quizzes were in the queue, simply how many there are.

I'm not overly concerned; I think I've been here long enough now to know how the system works. I have a crossword in the pipeline that's been there for a week or so now and a quiz that I only submitted earlier today... I thought that it might be interesting to see what sort of workload the editors have to deal with.

Thanks again!

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#1081229 - Sat Jan 17 2015 04:00 PM Re: Quiz Submissions [Re: sisterseagull]
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If you see that there are seven quizzes in the queue, and see six go online, it's not unreasonable to expect that yours will be next.

Except that with the reality of how editing works, it might not be - and that could hurt.

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#1081230 - Sat Jan 17 2015 04:14 PM Re: Quiz Submissions [Re: sisterseagull]
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Isn't this similar to what is happening when we are given approximately how many days it will take?
If a person sees that the queue is 1-3 days long, then some authors will expect it to take that long even if that's not the case. Likewise, if a person sees that the queue has 5 quizzes ahead of them, then some authors will expect there quiz to be the sixth on-line even if that's not the case.

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#1081279 - Sun Jan 18 2015 02:25 PM Re: Quiz Submissions [Re: Buddy1]
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Originally Posted By: Buddy1
Isn't this similar to what is happening when we are given approximately how many days it will take?
If a person sees that the queue is 1-3 days long, then some authors will expect it to take that long even if that's not the case. Likewise, if a person sees that the queue has 5 quizzes ahead of them, then some authors will expect there quiz to be the sixth on-line even if that's not the case.


This is why we tell authors to take that page with a huge grain of salt. It's one thing to give wildly approximate times, but it's another to tell them exactly how many quizzes are in the queue and where in line theirs is.
We simply don't want to give expectations that we can't fulfill and we want to avoid the inevitable "well why isn't mine being looked at since it was first", which is something we already get without people knowing where in the queue they really are (and under what circumstances, ie. tagged for a specific editor).
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#1081323 - Sun Jan 18 2015 08:34 PM Re: Quiz Submissions [Re: TonyTheDad]
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Editors here are highly overworked, in my opinion. The only times I got "anxious" about time frames was during the amazing races, and I think they all did an admirable job of trying to keep up with the extra work thrust upon them

I have never worried about crossword puzzles. The editor(s) can take as long as they want, since it takes "ages" for me to come up with another one lol.
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#1081602 - Wed Jan 21 2015 11:45 AM Re: Quiz Submissions [Re: Jakeroo]
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Quote:
I have a crossword in the pipeline that's been there for a week or so now and a quiz that I only submitted earlier today... I thought that it might be interesting to see what sort of workload the editors have to deal with.


Crosswords are looked after by specific editors according to category.
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#1081814 - Fri Jan 23 2015 12:12 AM Re: Quiz Submissions [Re: TonyTheDad]
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Is rough queue size the correct indication of how much time it would take to have your quiz online?
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#1081815 - Fri Jan 23 2015 12:35 AM Re: Quiz Submissions [Re: TonyTheDad]
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It is only a VERY rough estimate, automatically produced by an algorithm that looks at the number of quizzes in the queue and how long they have been there. It does not take into account all the other factors that can make a big difference - if your quiz is for a category in which only one editor is editing at the time, the others will skip yours and go to one below it; if it's a photo quiz it takes much longer to edit, as we need to check each image for suitability before we even look at the actual written content; if an editor hasn't got much time and recognises the name of an author whose quizzes usually take only a few minutes to edit, they may skip down the list to do that one and get it online; if your quiz needs a lot of editorial input, it may not get completed in a single editing session, and will have to wait until that editor is back again to complete the process. And more!

I remember the frustration of submitting a quiz to a category with a 3-4 day wait showing at the time, and watching that get a day longer every day, which has happened for several of my quizzes. And then there was one that didn't meet the category guidelines, but the editors spent a lot of time discussing whether or not the guidelines could be bent a bit to allow it as it was, or whether I had to rewrite substantial portions - three weeks later I rewrote it, and totally missed the holiday season that was my hope. All part of the learning process!

There is no way to speed the process up, you just have to sit and be patient, since anything else you do can only slow things down, as somebody has to use precious time to respond to you, instead of editing.

There is a thorough discussion of this in the Authors Lounge, in this thread:
http://www.funtrivia.com/bb.cfm?action=details&qnid=27853&boardid=2222222

Edited to add link to discussion.


Edited by looney_tunes (Fri Jan 23 2015 12:37 AM)
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#1081822 - Fri Jan 23 2015 02:47 AM Re: Quiz Submissions [Re: TonyTheDad]
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Thank you very much for the information. I understand editors are human too.

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#1108296 - Wed Sep 09 2015 11:41 PM Re: Quiz Queues .. waiting time [Re: TonyTheDad]
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I, too, have a quiz waiting to go online and it seems to be taking an awfully long time for the editors to look at it. I believe I submitted it to the television category, but since it's a team quiz, I can't access it unless it's sent back for corrections. I'm assuming this category has been very busy over the past few weeks. Am I right?

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#1108301 - Thu Sep 10 2015 12:59 AM Re: Quiz Queues .. waiting time [Re: ElusiveDream]
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Originally Posted By: ElusiveDream
I, too, have a quiz waiting to go online and it seems to be taking an awfully long time for the editors to look at it. I believe I submitted it to the television category, but since it's a team quiz, I can't access it unless it's sent back for corrections. I'm assuming this category has been very busy over the past few weeks. Am I right?


I've already responded to you based on your note to me about this very issue. As noted, your team quiz was submitted to the wrong category.
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#1110914 - Sun Oct 04 2015 12:14 AM Re: Quiz Queues .. waiting time [Re: TonyTheDad]
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Recently thought of something that might stop authors having to ask the editors how long they'll be waiting for a quiz to go online. When a player submits a quiz, they should be allowed to see a list of quizzes that have recently been submitted to that particular category. That way, they can get an idea of how many quizzes are ahead of their own and they won't have to ask the editors whether or not their quiz has been looked at because they'll be able to see where their quiz is in the queue.

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#1110915 - Sun Oct 04 2015 12:30 AM Re: Quiz Queues .. waiting time [Re: TonyTheDad]
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That doesn't address a number of other issues, and is really no more informative than the current display of estimated waiting times, which is based on the number of quizzes currently submitted and how long they have been waiting. However, if your quiz is in a subcategory which is being edited by a specific editor, it may sit there while others go online because the other editors are handling them. If your quiz has any issues that need discussion (is this the best category for it? are these images OK to use? is anybody worried about some other aspect of the quiz, such as dealing with a sensitive topic? etc.) it could take quite a while for the editors, spread around the globe and joining the discussion at different times, to come to an agreement. If an editor starts to edit your quiz, then gets busy and can't return to finish the job for a while, it will be delayed while others may get processed.

There really is no way around the development of patience. I know (I have written a number of quizzes over the years, and don't enjoy waiting any more than any other author) how frustrating it can be, and how much longer the wait seems to be when you check every hour to see if it is online yet. There is absolutely no point asking when your quiz will be looked at - if your quiz list shows it as submitted rather than offline, then it will be looked at as soon as that can be managed. Time spent answering inquiries just slows the entire process down for everyone.
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#1110916 - Sun Oct 04 2015 12:36 AM Re: Quiz Queues .. waiting time [Re: TonyTheDad]
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Just because a certain player's quiz may be # 15 in a queue of 30 (numbers chosen at random) doesn't mean it will be the 15th one looked at; if said player has had editing issues in the past, it might be the 29th or 30th looked at, but if that player has a good history, it might be 3rd or 4th. There are a lot of "behind the scenes" things that only the editing staff can see.

Originally Posted By: www.funtrivia.com Author Central
Our new‡ editing system has been modified to give queue precedence to players who consistently submit well written quizzes and place to the END of the queue players who in the past have submitted poorly written/error filled quizzes. Please read the quiz guidelines and become familiar with our requirements before submitting quizzes. Players who consistently do NOT follow guidelines will find that their wait time after submission will slowly get longer, and longer, and l o n g e r . . .


‡The word "new" has appeared here for well over five years, just for the record.
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#1111046 - Sun Oct 04 2015 04:34 PM Re: Quiz Queues .. waiting time [Re: ElusiveDream]
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Originally Posted By: ElusiveDream
Recently thought of something that might stop authors having to ask the editors how long they'll be waiting for a quiz to go online. When a player submits a quiz, they should be allowed to see a list of quizzes that have recently been submitted to that particular category. That way, they can get an idea of how many quizzes are ahead of their own and they won't have to ask the editors whether or not their quiz has been looked at because they'll be able to see where their quiz is in the queue.


I assure you that the quiz will be looked at as soon as possible. In the case of your submission, it requires a more thorough look-through than most quizzes simply based on the circumstances. Because it's tagged for me, it requires my undivided time. Unfortunately, I have not had that time yet, nor time for the quizzes that were waiting longer than yours in the same queue.

It will be looked at as soon as I am able to reach it. I apologize for the wait; there's a lot going on right now.
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#1111090 - Mon Oct 05 2015 12:38 AM Re: Quiz Queues .. waiting time [Re: TonyTheDad]
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No problem, Kyle. I understand that you're busy.

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#1111104 - Mon Oct 05 2015 08:34 AM Re: Quiz Queues .. waiting time [Re: TonyTheDad]
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This is just a reminder that all of the editors here are volunteers. No one is paid for their participation, and all have lives and jobs and obligations outside of FT.
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