#1007523 - Thu Aug 29 2013 07:14 AM
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Is it only in these islands that the -er/-re becomes -ah? How do they say it at Hahvahd?
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#1007644 - Thu Aug 29 2013 05:29 PM
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Jeet? (Did you eat?) No--jew? (No, did you?) I have only every heard these in the deep south (GA/AL/MS/AR) and Texas. I have not heard anyone from New England or the lakes states speak like that (or anyone out in California - can't speak for the rest of the West, never been). Certainly as an Ohioan (even with my twang) I pronounce all the words separately.
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#1007659 - Thu Aug 29 2013 07:02 PM
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One thing that has always fascinated me is the Canadian and western USA pronunciation of 'o'. In these areas, 'o' is pronounced like the 'oo' in zoo' so the word 'out' sounds like 'oot'.
I assure you, I and 99% of the people I know, pronounce 'out' like 'out'. The only people I've ever heard say 'oot' are maybe Newfies with thick accents.
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#1007670 - Thu Aug 29 2013 09:25 PM
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Jeet? (Did you eat?) No--jew? (No, did you?) I have only every heard these in the deep south (GA/AL/MS/AR) and Texas. I have not heard anyone from New England or the lakes states speak like that (or anyone out in California - can't speak for the rest of the West, never been). Certainly as an Ohioan (even with my twang) I pronounce all the words separately. I hear this in the lower New York State area. Drives me crazy. However, if people do attempt to separate the words it's something like "Didja eat?" or "Did jeet?" followed by ""No, did ju?"
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#1008602 - Wed Sep 04 2013 01:49 AM
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Jar, draw us what we say too.
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#1008615 - Wed Sep 04 2013 03:01 AM
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How about the "-ove' words? above cove dove drove hove love move prove rove stove wove
Any others with such a variety of pronouncements?
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#1008646 - Wed Sep 04 2013 04:39 AM
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all the -ough words spring to mind... Wiki articleThough :(th-oh) through : (thr-oo) Rough : (r-uff) Cough : (c-off) Thought : (th-aw-t) bough : (b-ow) lough : (l-ock) Hiccough : (hic-up)
Edited by Santana2002 (Wed Sep 04 2013 04:51 AM)
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#1008647 - Wed Sep 04 2013 05:04 AM
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I wonder if -ove and -ough were related back in the days when spelling was the new science on the block? Trough and trove might have been argued over at the bar.
edit to add tough (tuff) to the -ough list and fought to the -ought list and it could have been in my bar scene descript rather than argough (arghue?)
edit2 to add clove and shove to the -ove list
Edited by mehaul (Wed Sep 04 2013 09:53 AM)
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#1008712 - Wed Sep 04 2013 08:04 AM
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I wonder if -ove and -ough were related back in the days when spelling was the new science on the block? Trough and trove might have been argued over at the bar.
Trough derives from the same root as the word tree. Trove is from the Old French trover meaning to find. So unless you were trying to find a tree there's no connection.
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#1008724 - Wed Sep 04 2013 10:03 AM
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With the 'ove' words I would personally put them into three groups, each group being slightly different to the others in the way they are pronounced.
above dove love shove
move prove
cove drove hove rove stove wove clove
Edited by sue943 (Wed Sep 04 2013 10:45 AM) Edit Reason: Edited to add the shove and clove
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#1008726 - Wed Sep 04 2013 10:21 AM
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I'd agree with that, Sue.
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#1008727 - Wed Sep 04 2013 10:23 AM
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Oh, and I'm with Jar for the pronunciation of drawer, that -er at the end is not an optional extra, I pronounce it.
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#1008733 - Wed Sep 04 2013 10:52 AM
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I think that drawer has become draw'r (in one syllable) in the same way that prayer has become pray'r. For those of us in the south of England and elsewhere, who don't pronounce our r's clearly, draw'r sounds just like draw.
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#1008820 - Wed Sep 04 2013 03:17 PM
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Because drawer is pronounced without the 'er' at the end, many people get confused with the spelling. I've seen it written as 'draw' so many times I've lost count.
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#1008846 - Wed Sep 04 2013 04:44 PM
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For me I don't *fully* pronounce the -er but 'drawer' certainly doesn't exactly like 'draw'. More like 'door' with an extra r
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#1008896 - Wed Sep 04 2013 10:35 PM
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Well yes, I agree the -er is not fully sounded out. I end up with something which rhymes with "roar".
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#1008908 - Thu Sep 05 2013 02:33 AM
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You could be right Tom, Toni is Irish so has a delightful, but different accent to us from the South of England.
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#1008925 - Thu Sep 05 2013 06:53 AM
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hihi thanks for the compliment on my accent, Sue (not that any of the credit belongs to me). It's true, I probably pronounce certain words differently from a person in the UK.
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#1012535 - Thu Sep 26 2013 02:06 PM
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I, like gg, have never heard anyone say out as "oot", unless it was my Gaelic grandfather. And yes, some folks in the Maritimes, since there is a lot of the same influence there. I DO find though, that some words with "ou" in the middle, CAN be pronounced differently than our American cousins. For instance "route" (which we pronounce "root" in Alberta, but Americans are more likely to say it as "rout"). And don't get me started on roof/ruff or ruffs/rooves lol. For your dubious amusement, here's a semi-related beer commercial.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up0i0G_y05A&list=TLAaFf7UPbrgbzxOvwoVCTDAG8mpkipQLyOr perhaps you'd prefer the William Shatner parody version (which I admit, is completely unrelated to pronunciation) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qneD11pj4Y0&list=TLAaFf7UPbrgbzxOvwoVCTDAG8mpkipQLyDisclaimer: I'm not advocating either beer or priceline - it's just funny, ok? lol. Moderators can feel free to delete the post.
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#1012546 - Thu Sep 26 2013 02:47 PM
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My mother, after watching me make a mess of doing something - "Dew yew dew as yew should dew then you dew much better than yew do dew" - East Anglian as it is spook! Lol
Lets face it, with the variations of English (English-English, American-English, Australian-English, etc), it is hard enough for someone who's native tongue is English. Throw local regional dialects into the mix and it gets distorted further. People trying to learn English must despair! Lol
If we take my East Anglia - those who know, can tell that the rural Essex dialect differs from their neighbours in Suffolk, which in turn differs from Norfolk.
For example............the Norfolk dialect tends to be a slow and drawled monotone. Suffolk is pronounced the same, but the voice goes up and down the scale, and is described as "Norfolk set to music". Essex, has the London influence creeping in, so whilst sounds like Suffolk, tends to drop H's from words.................and so it goes on........!
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#1012548 - Thu Sep 26 2013 03:18 PM
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lol I've never seen the curved stick one, I liked it! The most relevant one is missing though, the rant!
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