#1045842 - Wed May 14 2014 01:24 PM
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Hopefully CM Punk returns... No one will ever replace him if not.
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#1045858 - Wed May 14 2014 02:30 PM
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Hopefully CM Punk returns... No one will ever replace him if not. Where did this come from? I could care less if he returns or not. He went without putting anyone over and he's over rated too. Sure he's a decent in ring performer and he's pretty good on the mic but he's nothing special. I think WWE are better focusing their energy on younger prospects such as Bray Wyatt, Roman Reigns, Cesaro etc. If Punk does return at some point then I want to see him putting over the upcoming talent.
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#1046060 - Thu May 15 2014 02:57 PM
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I meant to mention Daniel Bryan's surgery. Anyway, CM Punk was the most relatable WWE superstar, provided humourous moments, was completely misused in that whole Paul Heyman storyline and was my favourite in-ring performer. If he'd stayed he should have attacked Bryan at WrestleMania and feuded with him for a bit.
Roman Reigns needs to add more moves to his arsenal if he wants to become a main eventer. Rollins and Ambrose are much better at this point. Cesaro is fantastic and should be pushed to the main event.
If Bryan can't keep the title, bring back King Of The Ring.
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#1046064 - Thu May 15 2014 04:02 PM
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I have to disagree with you about Roman Reigns. I think he can work a main event level match just fine. Yeah, maybe he doesn't have the in ring skill of Ambrose or Rollins, but that is not what it's all about and never will be. If you just want to see great in ring work then stream some Ring of Honor. Roman Reigns has IT. He has that ability to draw you in and make you believe in the big moments. It helps of course that he is being pushed to the moon (see four eliminations at Survivor Series, see records eliminations at Royal Rumble). He also has a great look and offers great finisher type moves. He needs some work on mic but certainly isn't the worst and will only improve. As a heel solo performer he could just have a mouthpiece. Too many internet fans are obsessive over in ring quality. Did you honestly care when it was Ultimate Warrior or Goldberg coming to the ring making you breathe that bit faster? Those guys were awesome and I loved to see them but they weren't great in the ring, it never mattered and it doesn't today but there's this obsession amongst some fans that the match quality is the be all and end all. Wrong, in ring action doesn't matter a jot unless you have a feud with a good story to it and characters that you can get behind or against. As for Daniel Bryan, I'm really hoping this operation goes well and that he's back soon. A lot of time and effort has been put into building him up stretching right back to forming Hell No. He gets unanimous reactions from the crowds as a babyface which is great and some of that has to do with his underdog status that has been continued to be well maintained by the authority continually screwing him. I love watching him in ring, I wish they'd let him go more on the mic too because his Yes gimmick might get old soon if it's all he relies on. I think he needs a good run as champion. I want to know where Wade Barrett was on Mondays show? Why have this tournament featured over the past few weeks to simply not even have the winner on Raw this week! Ridiculous! And it's not just because I love Barrett as he's English. 
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#1046067 - Thu May 15 2014 04:10 PM
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I'm from Manchester, my family lives in Preston so naturally I'm a big Barrett fan  Sandow is now my favourite wrestler, but he was destroyed by SuperCena, killing all his momentum.
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#1046080 - Thu May 15 2014 05:28 PM
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I have to disagree with you about Roman Reigns. I think he can work a main event level match just fine. Yeah, maybe he doesn't have the in ring skill of Ambrose or Rollins, but that is not what it's all about and never will be. If you just want to see great in ring work then stream some Ring of Honor.
Roman Reigns has IT. He has that ability to draw you in and make you believe in the big moments. It helps of course that he is being pushed to the moon (see four eliminations at Survivor Series, see records eliminations at Royal Rumble). He also has a great look and offers great finisher type moves. He needs some work on mic but certainly isn't the worst and will only improve. As a heel solo performer he could just have a mouthpiece. No, he does not. Rollins, and especially Ambrose, are the talent of that group. Reigns, to me, is just another Ryback. He is just another hoss who is being forced too soon. Nah, rather reigns is another Batista. He is as boring as paint drying. The other two have character and believability. Two things Reigns does not have, nor will he ever have. What you see now is what you will get two years from now. Ambrose and Rollins can evolve and adapt. Too many internet fans are obsessive over in ring quality. Did you honestly care when it was Ultimate Warrior or Goldberg coming to the ring making you breathe that bit faster? Those guys were awesome and I loved to see them but they weren't great in the ring, it never mattered and it doesn't today but there's this obsession amongst some fans that the match quality is the be all and end all. Wrong, in ring action doesn't matter a jot unless you have a feud with a good story to it and characters that you can get behind or against. Warrior? Yeah, I liked him when I was nine. Goldberg? Uh, where is my remote? Let's talk about internet fans and what the obsess over. The last three internet darlings in the WWE were Punk, Bryan, and Reigns. Two of those know psychology and can put on good to great matches any day of the week. One of them wouldn't know psychology if it bit him in the face. Reigns with his monotone interviews will never be confused with The Rock or Chris Jericho. Get a personality there Roman. Reigns on his own will never be putting on stellar matches. That is what Rollins and Ambrose are there for, to carry him and make him look better. Any other company in the world and Reigns would be the one dropped. McMahon likes them big though, unless you truly have IT like Shawn Michaels. As far as ring quality goes, how about some questions? Would you rather watch Chris Benoit or Ryback? Would you rather watch a master psychologist like Randy Savage or Jake Roberts or would you settle for Lex Luger? Bam Bam Bigelow or Khali? You could not be more wrong about in-ring action not mattering as much as you say it doesn't. The greats could all tell a story in the ring. That is what matters the most, and Reigns does not have it. Unless you like watching a boring endless franchise like Friday The 13th.
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#1046135 - Fri May 16 2014 12:26 AM
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I was hoping you might reply Anton.  I know, I know, I know and I agree with you. I got a bit carried away trying to make my point which was that Roman Reigns can fit into the main event picture. You've helped me there though, you say he's like Batista? Well if he manages to get where Batista got to then he'll have been very successful. Batista was in the main event scene for a few years and that's where I believe Roman Reigns will get to. Again, you don't need all the tools to do it and you don't need all the tools to be entertaining and draw. I still say he has enough to be a main eventer, particularly in today's product. You also talked about Goldberg and Ryback. Yes they don't measure up to the guys in your final paragraph in an individual sense but as I was trying to say it's not all about that. You can put someone in a top position as an attraction with the right build and story behind it. It should have a finite lifetime because they won't have the ability to make it last or adapt. But there's nothing wrong with that and if you want to get them involved in good matches with guys that utilise good in-ring psychology then you give them dance partners that are capable of that. I have a feeling we won't agree! But I do love it when somebody with real talent like Seth Rollins makes it to the top. He's really impressing me, he could make it. If he finds his little niche in terms of being a singles competitor then I think he could have the appeal. Dean Ambrose I see as being the guy who works with the top guy and makes him look good. But only time will tell. Finally, I would rather watch Macho Man and Jake the Snake than anyone on today's roster. They were incredible. Bam Bam was so good inside the ring that he managed to walk Lawrence Taylor through a main event Wrestlemania match. Chris Benoit... the man nobody talks about, the man who has been erased. So, you liked Warrior when you were 9? Me too, does that mean we're the same age?
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#1046185 - Fri May 16 2014 09:30 AM
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Reigns will improve, but he does definitely need to expand his moveset. He's been booked to look like a superhero and at this point it's just: hit the Apron dropkick, Superman punch and the Spear. Maybe add in a few more power moves and suplexes and he's there.
I do agree in a sense that ring work isn't everything. Stone Cold Steve Austin was hardly one of the most technical superstars of all time, but he was damn sure one of the most entertaining. Same goes with The Rock and Triple H (even though HHH definitely adapted his usual style at WM XXX, when he lost to Daniel Bryan).
Hopefully Jericho returns, turns heel and feuds with DB (providing his operation is successful), RVD and (most of all) Cesaro. That would be one hell of a feud. By the way, where's Christian? He disappeared quickly. He's not the best in the ring but he doesn't mind putting over young talent.
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#1046194 - Fri May 16 2014 10:29 AM
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I was nine when Warrior beat Hogan. I had never seen Hogan lose up until then. It was a good time for a boy not buying into prayers and vitamins.
I know I am one the few who still talks about Benoit. I don't condone what he did, but I hate that McMahon wants to purge him from history. This is a guy who was the best I ever saw when it came to in-ring skill. I still enjoy his matches from time to time. The clinics he and Angle used to put on are second to none.
Getting back to reigns. The guy is missing the versatility to be the top guy. I forget who is was who said this, but to be the top guy you need two of the following three: the look, the ability, and the personality. Obviously, the top top guys have had all three. Austin did, Rock did, Shawn did, Taker did. Reigns has the look, no doubt. The other two are lacking. I did compare him to Batista for a reason. He needs what Batista had. Guidance. Batista got to sit back and learn from Flair and Hunter. I want to believe that this is why they have not split The Shield yet. The powers that be know that Roman is not ready to go it alone, at least not so they can salvage this push he has received.
There is nothing wrong with a stable being utilized. You mentioned Bam Bam and Taylor. Taylor needed someone who was both able to make him look good and willing to put him over. Bam Bam Bigelow was the perfect guy. Reigns needs a Bigelow, much like in ECW when Shane Douglas was the top guy for a while in Triple Threat with Bam Bam.
No, you don't need all the tools to draw and be entertaining, but you do need all the tools to be the top guy, and that is where Reigns seems to be headed. Maybe I am jaded because I saw true masters of their craft. Guys like Savage, Roberts, Perfect, DiBiase, etc. Ambrose has what they had. Rollins will be a main guy, but will never be a heel. There is a reason why guys like Steamboat and Hardy never get booed. Reigns' time isn't now.
You could put him in the ring with a bunch of wrestlers who understand psychology and use that to get Reigns to the top. But, the problem I see is that the WWE is lacking in that department. To me it seems that their style of wrestling is more of a spot fest than story telling. Off the top of my head, there are only a handful of active WWE wrestlers who understand this aspect of the business, and Hunter is one of them. This is why he switched from Bryan to The Shield. A lot of internet folk, it seems, are angry with Hunter because they feel he is hanging on Roman's spotlight. No, man. Hunter is trying to teach him. HHH hasn't won a feud since he became active again. He lost to Lesnar and he lost to Bryan.
If Roman reigns sits back and learns like Batista did, he will be ready for his main event push. However, he won't be ready for the Cena level until he develops a personality.
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#1046437 - Mon May 19 2014 05:01 AM
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Better quality I suppose.
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