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#104073 - Wed Oct 24 2001 02:54 PM FIFA hold Australia and France in contempt
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from the Sydney Morning Herald Thursday 25th October, 2000
quote:
France, Roos defy one-player edict
By Michael Cockerill

An outraged Soccer Australia will ignore an audacious attempt by world body FIFA to interfere in team selection ahead of the prestige friendly between the Socceroos and world champions France. In a move which caught everyone by surprise, FIFA general secretary Michel Zen-Ruffinen sent the French and Australian federations a letter this week "strongly recommending" they select no more than one player a club for the November11 match at the Melbourne Cricket Ground. FIFA's interference follows a petition signed by 11 major European clubs asking that the match either be cancelled or switched to a European venue. The petition ringleaders, Chelsea and Arsenal, have several French players on their books, as do Bayern Munich, Manchester United and Real Madrid. The match is on a weekend set aside for such fixtures and players would not miss any league fixtures for their clubs.

While FIFA's "compromise" proposal - thought to have been engineered by president Sepp Blatter - is unlikely to have any bearing on the composition of the Australian squad, it has potential to reshape the touring party. Soccer Australia chairman Ian Knop stressed yesterday that he would ignore FIFA's edict. And French federation general secretary Gerard Enault told his counterpart Ian Holmes last night: "[Coach] Roger Lemerre selects our national team, not FIFA or the English clubs. We will be bringing our strongest team."

The game is Australia's only-lead-up to the two-match World Cup play-offs later in the month. "We will not compromise on the selection of our national team at such a critical stage of our World Cup campaign," Knop said. "This is not negotiable and on this point we will be unmoved, unbending and unyielding. Soccer Australia has a responsibility to the public, to the fans who have bought tickets, to have the best teams available. "FIFA has no legal basis upon which to make this request. They are being unfair and unreasonable. This proposal is an unprecedented attempt to interfere in a commercial relationship between two national bodies. FIFA is duty-bound to represent the best interests of the game, but ... they have clearly abrogated that principle. "Once again they want to play us off because Australia doesn't matter, Oceania doesn't matter. Well, we do. The board of Oceania and the board of Soccer Australia have had enough."

Whether all the players selected will agree to come to Australia, however, is another matter, with Roma defender Vincent Candela and Leeds midfielder Olivier Dacourt both intimating they would rather be excused. However, both are only fringe members of the French team. The Socceroos have six players conceivably affected by FIFA's directive - Leeds United pair Harry Kewell and Mark Viduka, Rangers teammates Craig Moore and Tony Vidmar, and Middlesbrough's Paul Okon and Mark Schwarzer. However, Leeds have already made it clear they will release Kewell and Viduka. "We don't want to cause any problems or offence," chairman Peter Ridsdale told the Herald. "We will consult with Soccer Australia and the players and do the right thing. We are not going to get involved in whether it's one or two players."

Kewell's manager, Bernie Mandic, said the striker would definitely play. "Harry will be here, 100 per cent," he said. Socceroo captain Paul Okon remains confident all the Australian players will return for the game. "You don't know what pressure the clubs will be putting on the players, but they all want to come. If this affects anyone, hopefully it won't be Australia." Coach Frank Farina is equally convinced his full squad will assemble as scheduled. "This is directed more at France than Australia," he said. "Having said that, what FIFA has done is laughable. The major clubs are running the game and FIFA are being bullied and pushed around. But the fact is, they can't pick anyone's national team, whether they like it or not." Oceania Football Confederation president Basil Scarsella agreed: "Team selection is, in my view, sacrosanct. FIFA should not get involved, they don't have the power to get involved."
[ emphasis added ] www.smh.com.au/news/0110/25/sport/sport7.html


and from the other 'paper in Sydney The Daily Telegraph Thursday 25th October, 2000
quote:
Australian soccer held in contempt
By David Lewis

FIFA president Sepp Blatter showed his contempt for Australian soccer yesterday by attempting to turn next month's key World Cup warm-up with France into a farce. The 64-year-old former watch-maker from Switzerland wound up the emotions of Australian officials and players by buckling to the whims of the rich European clubs who want a quota on the number of players released for the showpiece MCG match on November 11. In a letter to Soccer Australia and the French Football Federation signed by his underling Michel Zen-Ruffinen, ageing autocrat Blatter "strongly recommended" the French and Australians call up only one player per club. Blatter's intervention is the direct result of pressure exerted by an Arsenal-led 11-strong coalition of clubs unwilling to release players.

If put into practice, it could mean Australia having to choose between Leeds-based Mark Viduka or Harry Kewell or Middlesbrough's Mark Schwarzer and Paul Okon. It would also guillotine the French team with Arsenal alone boasting four Gallic stars. SA Chairman Ian Knop and acting chief executive Ian Holmes were withering in their dismissal of Blatter's patter. "FIFA has no legal basis for its request," said Knop. "Their motto is 'for the good of the game' but they have clearly abrogated that principle here. We've been bullied and we've had enough. FIFA think they can just kick us around and that we don't matter. Well, we do. "We won't be a part of a deception to rob the public of the chance to see the players they have paid good money to watch. There's no room for negotiation. We're unmoved, unbending and unyielding."

So, too, are the French with Gerard Enault, general secretary of the French Football Federation, last night declaring: "We do not accept FIFA's letter. Roger Lemerre (French coach) selects our team, not FIFA or the English clubs. We'll be sending our strongest possible team." Socceroo coach Frank Farina was equally dismissive of FIFA's tactics. "It's a laughable and ludicrous suggestion which is hard to take seriously, let alone accept," he said. "It's not going to happen because it goes against everything FIFA are meant to stand for and they would end up looking so silly. "I'm amazed they actually sent such a letter. It's absolutely crazy."

France's line-up would be decimated by the plan with Thiery Henry, Patrick Vieira, Robert Pires and Sylvain Wiltord based at Arsenal, Fabien Barthez and Mikael Silvestre at Manchester United, Emmanuel Petit and Marcel Desailly at Chelsea and Lilian Thuram and David Trezeguet at Juventus. The sentiments of both Knop and Farina were amplified by Holmes who let the vitriol run free in his condemnation of FIFA and London club Arsenal. "It's scandalous folly by FIFA and an outrageous act of malevolence by arrogant and Eurocentric clubs, in particular Arsenal and its deputy chairman David Dein," he said. "They forget Australia is no longer a penal colony subservient to some decaying feudal empire. Who runs the game, FIFA or the clubs?"

Holmes also called for the resignation of Dein from his post as deputy chairman of the English FA. The cracks in the French squad have already surfaced with Real Madrid's Zinedine Zidane and Chelsea's Desailly unwilling to travel while Roma's Vincent Candela has already ruled himself out. The French squad is expected to be named on Tuesday.
[emphasis added ] www.dailytelegraph.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,3116798%255E2771,00.html


and this is from an organisation which has, ostensibly or otherwise, argued that it has nurtured nurtured the growth of the game in Oceania. There's also an article in the Telegraph which didn't make it to the web edition, probably 'cause it's almost defamatory and/or slanderous, as it tells FIFA to run and jump and jam it sideways, and gives the email address (in large bold print) of the person 'responsible' for this farce .. back in the mid-90s the PM of Australia called our country the "arse end of the world" (and was quoted verbatim in the TV news) 'cause no-one wants to travel across so many time zones to get here .. in a country where rugby league, rugby union and australian rules football dominate (soccer is a 'second tier sport' downhere) it's been the lead story on every TV and radio bulletin since the story broke last night, and has continued to do so this morning

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#104074 - Wed Oct 24 2001 06:37 PM Re: FIFA hold Australia and France in contempt
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Well, it's made the Sport's front page here in the UK !! I think ARSEnal should release all the players that France want...it's only the big clubs that have a problem...not saying Leeds are not a big club, but they are not so badly affected.

To be perfectly honest, I think FIFA should just let Australia into the World Cup without having to play another play-off. Hell, they won their group...why shouldn't they go. Who needs another South American team in the comp !!

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#104075 - Thu Oct 25 2001 06:06 PM Re: FIFA hold Australia and France in contempt
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precisely

Australia qualified for the 74 finals as one of 16 qualifiers .. we played off against so many other teams we lost track of who we were playing, it was like a safari .. for 1970 we were playing off against a team from Africa and then, just to make sure, we played off against a team from Asia (games in Rhodesia and Hong Kong -against South Korea- are 2 that come to mind)

when the finals were increased to 24 teams we were told that Oceania would qualify direct (Europe and South America wouldn't miss out as there were more places to go 'round), as Oceania would be a recognised Confederation and the winner of the group (the winner of a whole confederation nonetheless) wouldn't need to play off against every man and his dog to qualify, in a sudden death match over two legs .. everyone else qualified in a round-robin where team spirit was developed and the team could lose a game here and there and still qualify, as top of the group (in some groups the top 2 actually qualify)

if anyone's got the time, and the energy, go through the last 30 years and you'll see the Oceania group winner playing off all over the globe e.g. in 86 against Scotland, 90 against Israel, 94 against Argentina, 98 against Iran, and the ones before that I don't remember

FIFA will remember this current debacle and, rest assured, the Oceania Football Confederation will 'pay' for our outbursts downhere over the last 2 days, we're all expecting it, and no doubt NZ and the pacific nations are too .. the question is how they'll 'repay' France, the current world champions (1998) and #1 ranked football nation in the world


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#104076 - Sun Oct 28 2001 02:01 AM Re: FIFA hold Australia and France in contempt
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On Thursday I sent an email off to that address that was in The Daily Telegraph and was very surprised to receive a reply on Friday
quote:
Subject: Australia v France in Melbourne

Attention: FIFA Media

just a short note to express my extreme disappointment at the news we received downhere in our newspapers that FIFA has recommended Australia and France limit themselves to one player from a club ... we are trying to prepare for the final two-leg qualifying match, and France as automatic qualifiers need all the games they can get ... I have tried to find this on your website, but cannot locate it ... can you please direct me to it as I would like to see the actual words of the press release

secondly, please do not change the dates of the two-leg play-off against the 5th place team from South America ... we're getting enough bad news about our attempts to prepare and qualify for the Finals, and don't need any more

look forward to hearing from you,

George T.........
Sydney, Australia


this is the reply I received, there's no way of telling if it was a standard letter that issued at the end of last week but, nontheless, I was surprised to see their media officer took time out to reply
quote:
Dear Sir,

Thank you for your e-mail and comments regarding the above-mentioned topics. We would like to address these issues as follows:

As the governing football body FIFA has to bear in mind the interests of its 204 national associations as well as those of players and clubs. This is a rather difficult task especially so in the club vs. country controversies. In this respect FIFA attempts to propose compromise solutions in order to avoid that bridges are burnt too fast and thus the relationship between all parties concerned is destroyed in the long run.

It is against this background that FIFA's recommendation to Australia and France to pick only one player per club must be seen. It was labelled as a recommendation and intended for internal discussion between the FA's and FIFA. The associations were also asked to provide their point of view. Both Australia and France in the meantime refused the proposal as not being acceptable to them. For this reason, FIFA will have to make a ruling. This will be done early next week and will be communicated to the associations in the first place and also via our usual channels, including of course FIFA.com.

Regarding the upcoming play-off matches, the Bureau of the FIFA World Cup Organising Committee is to deal with the matter of the dates for these two matchs in the week of 29 October to 2 November. Here again, the interests of the associations involved but also the regulations will be duly considered.

Summing up, FIFA would like to clearly state that contrary to the criticism and allegations levelled against our organisation, it will maintain its impartiality in all matters. FIFA is committed to the promotion of the game throughout the world and will continue to do so in accordance with its Statutes. The revised regulations regarding the status of football players that also include the release of players for national team duty as well as the harmonized international calendar will certainly help to alleviate this situation.

We trust that you will find this of use to you.

Yours sincerely,

FIFA
Andreas Herren
Head of Media Department
Communications Division


you can read into this whatever you wish; the crucial part in his reply were the dozen words: FIFA is committed to the promotion of the game throughout the world .. let's see what transpires

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#104077 - Thu Nov 01 2001 01:49 AM Re: FIFA hold Australia and France in contempt
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the frogs and kangaroos'll be rejoicing and jumping for joy, FIFA's relented!
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Zürich, 30 October 2001 - Australia and France will be allowed to select the players according to the applicable regulations for their upcoming friendly match on 11 November in Australia.

FIFA General Secretary Michel Zen-Ruffinen confirmed this by fax today to the two associations stating: "FIFA has come to the conclusion that the applicable regulations have to be implemented. Therefore we herewith confirm that in accordance with Article 36 and following of the FIFA Transfer Regulations, the clubs requested to release players for this match should compulsory do so (unless the maximum number of matches for which these players have to be released for the civil year 2001, as specified in the applicable FIFA Regulations, has already been reached).

"In this respect, the Players' Status Committee will be asked at its meeting on Wednesday, 31 October, to reconfirm what this maximum number is for 2001 in view of the change of Regulations effected last month and of various questions received from clubs in this respect."

The confirmation came after the Australian and French associations had earlier indicated that they were not in a position to accept FIFA's recommendation to follow certain restrictions regarding the selection of players for the friendly match.

In the interim, the French Football Federation informed FIFA that they have taken steps to ensure that the players' travel to Australia will benefit from the best conditions possible (such as sleeper seats, appropriately scheduled flights, relaxation on board etc.), so as to take into account the concern of the clubs regarding the players' health.
www.fifa.com/Service/MR_M/31612_E.html


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#104078 - Thu Nov 01 2001 04:44 AM Re: FIFA hold Australia and France in contempt
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Ok, what's wit that?!?!

Business men and lawyers (separate class don't ya know) routinely get sleeper seats paid for them on lengthy flights. Soccer players with absolutely massive pockets and clubs and countries with even larger pockets don't ordinarily send their athletes by sleeper seat?

What the heck is that?

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#104079 - Thu Nov 01 2001 05:37 AM Re: FIFA hold Australia and France in contempt
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quote:
Originally posted by TemplarLLM:
sleeper seat?

What the heck is that?


I believe it's the club car that both Harry Kewell and Mark Viduka are given at Leeds!

Trouble is, they're still inside it when 3 O'Clock comes around on a Saturday afternoon!

Absolutley No Offence Intended whatsoever.........(much!) LOL.

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#104080 - Tue Dec 17 2002 08:22 PM FIFA World Cup
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it's finally happened, Oceania has been given full confederation status AND a spot in the World Cup

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The executive committee of soccer's ruling body, FIFA, ratified the decision by the six regional confederations to grant the Oceania Football Confederation (OFC) a full berth for the first time when it met today to decide the makeup of the 32-team tournament in Germany.
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The decision will finally give Australia the chance to pit a full strength team including the likes of Harry Kewell, Mark Viduka and Mark Schwarzer against the world's best on the biggest stage.
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In previous years, Oceania has had half a berth, forcing its champion to a cut-throat home and away play-off against a low ranked nation from a tougher confederation to reach the finals. After easily winning the Oceania qualifying, Australia fell at the final hurdle in the last three campaigns - losing to South America's fifth team Argentina for the 1994 tournament, Asia's fourth ranked nation Iran for 1998 and again to South America's fifth side, Uruguay, for 2002.
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Oceania has only been represented at the World Cup finals twice, by Australia in 1974 and New Zealand in 1982. The 11-member OFC was given full status by FIFA in 1998 but remained the only confederation not to have at least one automatic berth at the World Cup finals.



http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/12/17/1039656396467.html

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#104081 - Sat Jun 28 2003 07:53 PM FIFA hold Oceania in contempt
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Oceania may as well withdraw from FIFA, and the World Cup can become a seeded tournament:-
    FIFA rejects World Cup expansion plan
    Timothy Collings

    PARIS, June 28 (Reuters) - FIFA's Executive Committee has rejected a proposal to expand the next two World Cup finals to 36 teams and backtracked on its promise to give Oceania an automatic place in the tournament. FIFA president Sepp Blatter had made an election promise to give Oceania a guaranteed qualifying place but was defeated, he said, by democracy as the 24-man executive voted 22-1 to ditch a South American proposal to expand the tournament by four teams. Blatter, the 24th voting member of the committee, abstained.

    But to placate the South Americans, FIFA also agreed on Saturday to return the playoff place they lost when Oceania was awarded an automatic place last December. Oceania now has the same play-off place it previously had. The decision led to the furious Oceania delegate storming out of the meeting, after the vote was taken. He returned to witness the post-meeting news conference in which Blatter was asked how he felt about backing out of one of his election pledges - to give Oceania a place at the finals. 'You win some and you lose some,' said Blatter. 'I had to bow to the democracy of FIFA.'

    AMBIGUOUS SITUATION

    Blatter blamed Oceania's fate on the 'ambiguous situation' surrounding Australian soccer and New Zealand's poor performance at the Confederations Cup finals in France this month, where they were heavily defeated in all three group matches. Blatter said the decision to opt for 32 finalists for the 2006 and 2010 World Cup tournaments was taken after consultation studies with fans and was 'the right solution.'

    Franz Beckenbauer, the president of Germany's 2006 World Cup Organising Committee, said: 'In our view the current form is optimal. Even though we have the greatest amount of respect for the (South American) proposal, it has become quite clear that there could not be a transparant or fair set up for 36 teams.' Regarding Oceania, Blatter said he would 'do my utmost to bring them back into the FIFA family' and dropped a clear hint that, with four teams taking playoff places, Oceania could host a play-off mini-tournament for the World Cup finals.

    The president of the Oceania confederation Basil Scarsella of Australia was not impressed. 'I don't think this is a moral, ethical or commercial decision. Simply a political one that does no favours for FIFA of the development of the game,' he said.

    He said Blatter's explanation regarding Australia and New Zealand was short-term opportunism to justify a long-term decision. 'FIFA is grasping for straws to justify it,' he said. 'It's a disaster for Oceania.'

    SOME SWEETENERS

    Blatter suggested Oceania could appeal but Scarsella said there was no challenge mechanism. 'We have to accept it, but expect some sweeteners,' he said. As well as a World Cup playoff mini-tournament, Blatter suggested Oceania could be the venue for future Club World Championship tournaments organised by FIFA. The next one, he said, will be played in 2005 and no venue had been fixed.

    FIFA had initially given the proposal for 36 teams put forward by the South American CONMEBOL confederation a guarded welcome but, after a detailed investigation of the logistical problems of increasing the numbers, it was voted out.

    However, with South America having lost a qualifying place for the 2006 finals after FIFA ruled last year that the defending champions, currently Brazil, would not get automatic qualification, FIFA was anxious to please them.

    'We have to find a solution to make them (CONMEBOL) happy again but in this case everybody was unanimous,' said UEFA president Lennart Johansson, who added that the reason for the U-turn on Oceania's qualifying position was playing standards. 'CONMEBOL also have a standard on the pitch,' he said. 'They lost the winner (Brazil) and then another half-place. If you make a mistake you must correct it. It was too early to give them (Oceania) direct entry to the World Cup but it doesn't mean we stay with this for the future.' Australia have been the dominant force in Oceania over recent years but have failed to reach the World Cup finals after losing playoffs to Argentina, Uruguay, Scotland and Iran.

    Julio Grondona, head of the Argentine federation and a FIFA vice president, thanked UEFA for their backing. 'I have to thank Lennart Johansson because he was a fundamental factor in this decision,' he said. 'He and (UEFA chief executive) Gerhard Aigner understood us and backed us. Without that it would not have been possible to once again have the four and a half places.'
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Words fail me. If I write anything in response to this decision, I'll have to ban myself from the forums. Further comments from downhere: www.theworldgame.com.au and The Sydney Morning Herald, and the official announcement from their royal highnesses: www.fifa.com


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#104082 - Sun Jun 29 2003 03:57 AM Re: FIFA hold Oceania in contempt
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Will FIFA ever get it right? Remember, Germany were never in it to win the race for hosting the World Cup in 2006, yet that's what precicely happened.
Turkish fans consistenly riot at games, resulting in the deaths of supporters but FIFA sit back and do nothing. England fans do it just the once, and the FA are heavily fined.
Whilst I don't agree that the number of countries should increase, I still think Oceania should get its rightful place alongside the worlds best. Taking a European team out of the equation may be the answer, as I doubt South America will let one of their automatic places slip through their hands. Maybe an African team, or an Asian one even.
European and South American countries will always be the dominant forces in World football, and the usual suspects are always there, but there were teams in the 2002 World Cup that, while they deserved to be there, just didn't play their part. Example, Germany 8 Saudi Arabia 0. This game was a mismatch, and everyone knew it and I thought about it last year, wondering how the likes of Kewell, Viduka, etc., would have fared had they been given the chance instead of one of the minnows.
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#104083 - Sun Jun 29 2003 02:55 PM Re: FIFA hold Oceania in contempt
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With regard to the World Cup qualification issue, might Aus & NZ not be better served by joining the Asian qualifying groups? More competitive fixtures would, one would presume, help to improve standards and in 82 when New Zealand got to the finals I belive that it was from an Asian qualifying group.
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