#106369 - Wed Jan 28 2009 01:20 PM
Re: Quiz Queues .. waiting time
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If you don't make a significant change, the date that you see doesn't change. Same as when you are editing a quiz that you have not yet submitted. The 'quiz history' at the top of every quiz only updates if you change the title or the category, it doesn't create a new entry every time you write a new question or add interesting info or whatever. So if, for an example an editor starts editing your quiz and fixes a typo or two and re-saves, you wouldn't see in the quiz history that that happened. It could be that you submitted your quiz on the 8th, an editor started looking at it on the 26th, only got halfway through and is coming back to it at another time. (Though I'm not saying that is what happened, because I believe if an editor starts editing a quiz and has to leave it for a day or two, they mark it with their name, or do let the other editors know in some way that they started on it).
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#106370 - Wed Jan 28 2009 01:27 PM
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If things are that sensitive, that the quiz can be sent back to the end of the queue if you "It's worth noting that the save button can sometimes be clicked accidentally, by hitting the ENTER key at the wrong point." do this, then shouldn't that be fixed? I really don't think this is what has happened, in this case, but wonder who it has happened to. If this is happening, it needs to be fixed, I would think.
I think CellarDoor was just mentioning the fact that, on virtually any site, "Enter" will activate the 'big gray button' (I'm not sure what else to call it). Like on Google: you type something in the search box and hit "Enter" to activate the search button. If you were in the habit of using Backspace to return to the previous page, you might press "Enter" by mistake and your page gets saved. It's not really a problem with the page.
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#106371 - Wed Jan 28 2009 02:12 PM
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Thank you guitargoddess! Your reply has made a lot of sense. I had not thought about that possibility either.
I do know that quiz authors are anxious to see their creations appear on line, and many wonder why there are delays that seem endless from the author's perspective. Two weeks is not a long time waiting at all. I had wondered about the time stamping and your response makes sense. I am happy that I was given some form of a straightforward response.
Thanks!
Darthrevan89, that reply makes sense as well, but I did not press enter at any time either, but I imagine many do without realizing it.
Thanks for your nice reply too!
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#106373 - Wed Jan 28 2009 04:26 PM
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If you don't make a significant change, the date that you see doesn't change. Same as when you are editing a quiz that you have not yet submitted. The 'quiz history' at the top of every quiz only updates if you change the title or the category, it doesn't create a new entry every time you write a new question or add interesting info or whatever. So if, for an example an editor starts editing your quiz and fixes a typo or two and re-saves, you wouldn't see in the quiz history that that happened. It could be that you submitted your quiz on the 8th, an editor started looking at it on the 26th, only got halfway through and is coming back to it at another time. (Though I'm not saying that is what happened, because I believe if an editor starts editing a quiz and has to leave it for a day or two, they mark it with their name, or do let the other editors know in some way that they started on it).
It doesn't matter if the change is significant or not... or even if you make a change. As long as you hit the 'save' button on the quiz edit screen, you get a new 'submitted' date.
This is because the computer doesn't know how to distinguish between a quiz that is newly submitted to the queue or one that is being saved.
If an editor does go into your quiz and does some edits, they will not wait for it to come back to the top of the queue to edit as that wouldn't be fair.
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#106376 - Wed Jan 28 2009 05:28 PM
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Of course I know these hard working editors have private lives and they also want to play trivia, not just edit. Gosh, of course I know this. There is no way that I have ever thought otherwise!  Okay, I think I am getting the understanding of this now. That once the editor begins the editing process, even if they are called to the phone, have an emergency, become ill, whatever, that quiz remains at the front of the queue line, until such time the editor can finish the editing, with the quiz either going on line, or receiving a correction notice. I was misunderstanding it to mean, that if an editor changed anything, not able to finish editing that day, that would send the quiz to the back of the queue line as though it had just been submitted. My misunderstanding, for sure, but reading over this again, it makes sense, obviously for me and for others who wonder the same things. So, back to the original question: if my quiz, has a time stamp of January 26, as stated earlier in this discussion, and I am not responsible for this time stamping change, because I did not change, correct or click anything, then this would mean that the editor most likely has been editing the quiz, but is not yet finished with the editing, for whatever personal or private reason? This would be why nothing is in my log about it? I do want to say, it is great to be able to have these discussions in order to be able to understand how these things work. I appreciate this a lot.
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#106379 - Thu Jan 29 2009 01:24 PM
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More often than not, a quiz is held up by some concern an editor has about sources, or the way it's written. Sometimes I will edit a quiz then think, 'great, I think this one's ready to go.' and ooops, I come across something I know will be a correction note magnet.
I cannot in all honesty release it by fixing that myself as the person won't know what's been done. This will hold up the process on a quiz.
Sometimes the entire queue is full of quizzes that have one or two iffy questions and that's when things get blocked.
I think I've probably said it several times over the years, but, if your writing is very consistent across the subject areas and you improve it steadily with the help of the editors or on your own, an editor can pluck it out and get it online very quickly. If there are things preventing its dispatch, then, it will take longer.
that's the bottom line for me as an editor.
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#106380 - Fri Jan 30 2009 10:10 PM
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Heya Heather,
That reply was really nicely written and very helpful. Thanks for your input.
When you editors let we authors know these things, in such a pleasant way, it makes it so much easier to accept the waiting times and to understand why the waiting times are long some of the time.
Thanks again!
Giz
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#106383 - Mon Feb 16 2009 10:44 AM
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I got caught like this when I first started making quizzes. It is a bit misleading because it does say, after you've submitted the quiz, that you can go in and edit it at any time.
Perhaps it would be an idea to add to that note something along the lines of "However, please be aware that editing your quiz once it has been submitted will send it to the back of the queue".
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#106389 - Mon Feb 23 2009 12:31 AM
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"Is there any way that the one quiz submission at a time rule can be removed?"
As you already note, it is removed for exceptional authors. People get this capacity for writing consistently good quizzes that require little editing. It can be removed if quizwriting gets sloppy. If you see the "green screen" on your quizzes, you won't get to submit more than one.
In your case, it looks like you were able to submit multiple quizzes in the past before we had the "one quiz per author" rule.
I don't expect to see the rule removed, nor would I want it to be. If an author produces good quizzes that require little work for the editor, they do get the privilege. This should be a reason to work on writing better quizzes. If quizzes need to be returned constantly for plagiarism, grammar problems, spelling errors, not reading Guidelines, etc., then there really isn't any good reason for that person to be submitting more than one quiz at a time.
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#106391 - Wed Feb 25 2009 10:58 AM
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That really depends on the nature of the Brain Teaser quiz. Some are quite straight-forward and would rarely, if ever, need correcting. But there are other types that are less straight-forward than, say, the Drop-A-Letter quizzes. Other forms of 'brain teaser' and would need more work between author and editor, so I don't think you could really say that Brain Teasers are easy, therefore you can submit another one at the same time as any Brain Teaser.
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#106393 - Wed Feb 25 2009 02:10 PM
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That's true, I suppose not requiring interesting info helps. But again, that depends on the nature of the brain teaser. If it's logic puzzles or something, those kinda DO require interesting info, because you have to explain to the quiz player how to arrive at the answer. I still think there are some types of brain teasers that would require a fair amount of editing work. Perhaps we should wait for crisw to come along and tell us
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