Should quizzes (particularly those in the mountains section) referencing Mt Mckinley be considered outdated info?

Well it isn't something like the demotion of Pluto. For most if not all questions, the pertinent factual information remains correct (height of summit, status as tallest in North America, etc.) just the name of the mountain has changed so questions in play would remain viable and current with only a slight text change or two in the Question text and possibly the II. As far as quizzes are concerned, just eyeballing the Mountains and Volcanoes subcategory for titles, it doesn't seem like an obscene number of quizzes would need that retrofitting (though I submit my wrist for slapping by spanishliz, Paigedamon, and/or Tizzabelle just in case I am underestimating the burden there)

May I offer my opinion?

If the French decided to call the Eiffel Tower, Le Grande Gizmo, I think the rest of the world would go on calling it the Eiffel Tower. The mountain has always been part of Denali National Park, so the Denali part isn't new. That hasn't changed. The Mountain may now be called Mount Denali but I think many of us will consider the name of the PEAK to continue to be Mt McKinley. Many mountains have different names for their peaks, some mountains have multiple peaks on one mountain (Reference the AskFT question about going from sea level to a mile high within a 2 hour drive). The only place there might be conflict is when an official geological society name for it comes up in new questions and quizzes. With Denali having multiple peaks, one of them could still be called Mt McKinley.

A related nomenclature change was when Australia changed the name of Ayer's to Uluru. Or did they? Did they just acknowledge the original aboriginal name along with the newer name?

I saw a number of references to Mt McKinley in the mountains and volcanoes topic (naturally) in this morning's GC, so I'm wondering whether or not corrections should be sent in for that now that it's officially Denali. Ayers Rock is officially called "Uluru/Ayers Rock" so that seems a bit different, it has two legitimate names.

Please do send corrections on questions using the "old" name. Although Denali could be considered older, of course! The editors will decide on any necessary rewording of questions to make them clear and accurate.

It's not as big a deal as Margaret Mitchell daring to publish a second book half a century later, and making questions that assumed she had only one published book become incorrect, or Pluto ceasing to be considered a planet, and can easily be done.

Do you mean Harper Lee? I think Mitchell is still at one, isn't she?

Typed too fast! I did indeed mean Harper Lee, who should have stopped while she was ahead.

As opposed to Margaret Mitchell, who did stop because she was dead.

Sorry, I couldn't resist the rhyme!

I agree with LT. Please feel free to send the correction. This is one of those things that is really easy to fix as it is just a name change. Sometimes with these huge changes. we have to figure out how to rewrite the whole question. With this change, we just have to switch out one name for the other.

Names change all the time. I was never very good at geography, but now that all the maps have become basically unrecognisable since my childhood, I'm much worse at the task. But that comes with the territory. ~

I personally don't care what anyone chooses to name a mountain or anything else considered "cultural". What was it called 5,000 years ago? Probably not Denali. How far back in history do we really want to go?

My only concern is whether the taxpayers should have to fork out to replace all the highway signs : )

Oh, and I don't think there's anything wrong with calling it McKinley OR Denali, as long as the question is worded correctly/chronowise etc. Similar to the currency questions where countries now use Euros. The fact that they do NOW, doesn't mean that things like doubloons never ever existed. So I don't think it's quite as simple as switching out one name for another. Depends on how the question is presented.

Okay, okay, Le Grande Gizmo it is. Now, who's this guy Grand anyway? He's got the Canyon, the Rio, the Rapids, a Cayman and the Forks named after him.

Edit: My apologies. How could I forget that Canal in Italy? Is this the person who designed all the Grand Ballrooms?

dunno mehaul, but if Trump ends up as your next president, you might have a few more naming questions to ask about lol

Hillary Hill?

And even now is decomposing.

Except it turned out to be a hoax or a fraud, right? I guess fraud is the better word. It's actually an earlier draft of the first book, and it wasn't really published with Lee's consent.

So I don't think the FT questions need to be corrected. This really isn't her book.

If that happens, I will flee to Canada. Or Australia. Or Sweden.

It's actually more hers than anyone else's, really. just because she was against publishing it before and has decided to do so now, that doesn't mean it's a fraud. people change their minds over things sometimes at different stages of their lives.

Just another two cents.

Sue

We have been changing questions so that they acknowledge the fact that a second book published under her name does now exist. It mostly just meant changing references to only book to only book published in the 20th century in information sections. The controversy over its publication history is a whole separate matter. The discussion about the second book has actually raised the interesting point that, if this is considered as an early draft of the ideas that became TKAM, the magnificent final product shows how much an editor contributed to the entire thing, and opens a whole new can of worms about how much any author is responsible for their final work! I feel quiz starting to write itself.

Yes, it is her book. She wrote the words. Her long time friends have said she knew about it being published. She has issued a statement that not only did she agree to the publication she is hurt by press saying she doesn't know what is going on.

The "fraud" is people saying Go Set A Watchman is a sequel or, as I have read, a prequel. It was a book she wrote. Her editor suggested changes, chief among them that the story be told from the viewpoint of Jean Lousie as a child.

Exactly this, but considering the circumstances surrounding the book and Harper Lee's recent falling off the radar, it's unsurprising the media would do something-- most North American high schoolers had it as mandatory reading, so she's a household name.

Did they? ALL of them in North America, not just in Ontario? lol

Not in my generation. In high school we were forced to deal with at LEAST one Shakespeare writing in each of the 3 years (probably amounted to about 9 in actuality). The other required readings in my high school were "Grapes of Wrath", "Animal Farm" "Slaughterhouse 5" and "Fahrenheit 451". "Flowers for Algernon" and "Black Like Me" were required in grade six.

To Kill a Mockingbird is one of my favourite novels (and Gregory Peck did a good job in the movie for the most part) but never in my school life were we told we had to read it.

And yes, I realise this has NOTHING to do with Mt. Whoever, feel free to sue me, can't get blood out of a stone lol

Jakeroo, no one ever said ALL North America. It said Most, and while I also never had to read it, it was most definitely one of the choices throughout my life (I chose 'Catcher in the Rye' instead... Twice, loved that book).


Regardless of whether high schoolers read the book or not, she's still a household name to be sure. I still have yet to read TKaM... I need to do that.

My high school required readings usually involved choices. I read Persuasion, Pride and Prejudice, Hamlet, Beowulf (as I attended online school, we had to read this in the original old English, but with extensive cliff notes, thank god [I took an advanced English course in my senior year]), The Outsiders, The House on Mango Street (ew), Animal Farm, The Awakening, Catcher in the Rye, Lord of the Flies, a lot of Poe, and much more I can't recall at the moment. I certainly could have read To Kill a Mockingbird, but there were always choices that intrigued me more.

I had all the credits needed in all classes except one in math, but not enough credits overall to graduate early, so I filled my senior year with a LOT of English classes... I did a lot of reading as a result. But never TKaM. But now I'm just rambling.

Funnily enough, Mockingbird is frequently set here in Australia, at around tenth grade, despite the fact that many of its cultural referents go right over the heads of the students. I blame it (in part) for the creeping invasion of American Halloween practices, to which TV shows such as 'The Simpsons' have also contributed. At least the supermarkets don't fill with Christmas decorations in August any more - the first do Halloween, and only have the Christmas stuff up this week.

Salami: Did I say at any point that she wasn't a household name? No.
Did I say it was one of my favourite books of all time? Yes.

People from Ontario are used to "nudges" from the rest of our country that you would not understand. And yes, they might not find them all amusing. But for your information, I spent 3 years in school in Toronto, "experimental" classes for two years. I don't expect you to know what that means nor did I expect you to chastise me. Odd.

And we weren't allowed CHOICES in any school I attended,and there was no such thing as taking courses online then, so lucky you : )O

(edited because something was capitalised that shouldn't have been)

Now, let's get back to McKinley, Siam or Persia or Nunavit lol

I was not at all chastising you, Jakeroo. The first paragraph I wrote was simply to point out that it was not said that ALL of North American high schoolers had it required, which you implied.

The rest was not meant to be directed at you, and I was not chastising you at all. If it came across that way, I do apologize.

I have no idea what you mean about "nudges" and "experimental" classes, but I'm kinda curious now. Lol. Would you mind explaining to me what these mean?