#1163631 - Thu Apr 20 2017 01:25 PM
Re: Kentucky Derby ==> Sat 6th May
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#1163792 - Sat Apr 22 2017 01:12 AM
Kentucky Derby ==> Sat 6th May
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Wynn: 1) Classic Empire (5-1)
2) Always Dreaming (6-1)
3) Irish War Cry (7-1)
4) Girvin (8-1)
4) McCraken (8-1)
5) Gunnevera (10-1) William Hill: 1) Classic Empire (5-1)
2) Always Dreaming (6-1)
3) Irish War Cry (8-1)
3) McCraken (8-1)
4) Gunnevera (9-1)
5) Practical Joke (12-1) April 20 Notable Changes: Classic Empire: Odds dropped from 12-1 to 5-1 favoritism at Wynn following his rallying win in the April 15 Arkansas Derby. His odds slipped less at William Hill, from 8-1 to 5-1, and Mike Battaglia said that last year’s 2-year-old champion male probably will be the morning-line favorite for Derby 143 after post positions are drawn on May 3.
Gormley: The Santa Anita Derby winner saw his future odds drop from 40-1 to 12-1 at Wynn, and from 30-1 to 20-1 at William Hill. He might be one of two John Shirreffs-trained runners in the Kentucky Derby, along with Santa Anita Derby third-place finisher Royal Mo, who currently is ranked 24th on the Road to the Kentucky Derby points leaderboard (see below).
Irap: His odds plummeted from 125-1 to 35-1 at Wynn, and he was added back to William Hill’s book at the same 35-1 odds following his 31.30-1 upset win in the Toyota Blue Grass Stakes. He’ll be carrying the Paul Reddam-Doug O’Neill banner back to Churchill Downs as the California duo aim to take down their third Derby in six years following I’ll Have Another’s win in 2012 and Nyquist’s win last year.
Irish War Cry: Another leading contender whose odds dropped after a standout prep performance, he’s now listed at 7-1 odds by Wynn, down from 25-1, and at 8-1 odds by William Hill, also down from 25-1. The Wood Memorial Presented by NYRA Bets winner should be one of about three or four horses that will vie for post-time favoritism in the Derby, along with Classic Empire, Always Dreaming, and McCraken.
Lookin At Lee: The late-closing third-place finisher in the Arkansas Derby currently sits at 22nd on the Derby points leaderboard, so he will need some help to get in the field. But his sneaky-good performance at Oaklawn Park caused his futures odds to drop from 75-1 to 40-1 at Wynn and from 75-1 to 30-1 at William Hill.
Battle of Midway: Ran a game second in the Santa Anita Derby after contesting the pace throughout, and his odds have adjusted accordingly, dropping from 40-1 to 30-1 at Wynn and from 40-1 to 20-1 at William Hill. That was a nice bounce-back effort against stakes competition for the Jerry Hollendorfer trainee after he finished a well-beaten third in the San Vicente Stakes back in February. He figures to be a major pace player in the Kentucky Derby.
Fast and Accurate: After being supplemented to the Kentucky Derby by owner Kendall Hansen, the JACK Cincinnati Casino Spiral Stakes winner saw his odds adjusted down from 150-1 to 60-1 by William Hill (they remained at 75-1 at Wynn). He’ll be another pace factor if his synthetic and turf form can translate to Churchill Downs’ dirt track.
Hence: The Sunland Derby winner is shaping up to be this year’s “buzz horse” among the backstretch cognoscenti as Derby week commences, which may not be a good thing for his chances. Nevertheless, his odds dropped from 50-1 to 30-1 at William Hill while staying steady at 40-1 on Wynn’s sheet. He’s posted very good workouts at Churchill Downs over the past couple of weeks for trainer Steve Asmussen and owner Brad Kelley’s Calumet Farm.
Royal Mo: As mentioned above, he will need defections to make the Derby field, but if he does, he’ll be another pace presence in what could be a cavalry charge through the first turn – especially if Gary Stevens retains the mount. His odds were halved from 60-1 to 30-1 at Wynn and dropped even more at William Hill, from 100-1 to 30-1.
Thunder Snow: The United Arab Emirates Derby winner’s odds dropped from 40-1 to 18-1 at William Hill, but moved up slightly from 20-1 to 25-1 at Wynn. No decision has been announced by Sheikh Mohammed bin Rashid al Maktoum as of April 20 about whether he’ll make the trip to Kentucky.
Master Plan: Ranked 26th on the points leaderboard with 20, he returns to Wynn’s sheet at 100-1 odds on the very slight chance that a) there are enough defections to open up a spot for him; and b) trainer Todd Pletcher and his ownership group feel that he’s up to the task. He’s won two of five career starts and most recently closed to finish third behind Thunder Snow and Epicharis in the UAE Derby.
Senior Investment: He’s even a longer shot than Master Plan to make the Derby field, as he has only 10 qualifying points earned with his win in the April 15 Stonestreet Lexington Stakes. Still, he was added back to Wynn’s book at odds of 125-1.
Conquest Mo Money: After his game runner-up finish to Classic Empire in the Arkansas Derby, this well-bred colt took in a lot of futures money in Vegas, to the point where his odds dropped from 200-1 to 30-1 at Wynn and he was added back to William Hill’s sheet at 40-1 odds. However, this week his Sunland Park-based connections decided to bypass the Kentucky Derby, and will instead point their charge to the May 20 Preakness Stakes. https://www.americasbestracing.net/gambling/2017-kentucky-derby-futures-closing-odds-derby-day-nears
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#1164220 - Fri Apr 28 2017 07:09 AM
Kentucky Derby ==> Sat 6th May
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ROAD TO THE KENTUCKY DERBY Pts
1.Girvin ... 150 ... $849,800
2.Classic Empire... 132 ... $2093,820
3.Gormley ... 125 ... $884,000
4.Irap ... 113 ... $760,000
5.Irish War Cry ... 110 ... $676,660
6.Thunder Snow ... 100 ... $1621,063
7.Always Dreaming.. 100 ... $589,000
8.Gunnevera ... 84 ... $1137,800
9.Practical Joke ... 74 ... $966,000
10.J Boys Echo ... 63 ... $305,000
11.State of Honor ... 62 ... $310,364
Conquest Mo Money. 60 ... $496,000 (not nominated)
12.Tapwrit ... 54 ... $325,570
13.Malagacy ... 50 ... $570,000
14.Hence ... 50 ... $481,129
15.Fast and Accurate 50 ... $320,712 (plan to pay the $200,000 supplement)
16.McCraken ... 40 ... $385,048
17.Battle of Midway...40 ... $224,700
18.Patch ... 40 ... $200,000
19.Battalion Runner.. 40 ... $140,000
Cloud Computing .. 40 ... $115,000
One spot in the Kentucky Derby starting gate is for the top horse in
the Japan Road to the Derby (below), but none plan to enter.
20.Untrapped ... 34 ... $210,000
21.Lookin at Lee ... 32 ... $428,600
22.Sonneteer ... 30 ... $236,000
23.Royal Mo ... 30 ... $213,000
24.Local Hero ... 30 ... $140,000
25.Iliad ... 20 ... $220,000
26.Master Plan ... 20 ... $214,700
Blueridge Traveler.20 ... $ 95,000
27.Petrov ... 13 ... $195,000
Lancaster Bomber .10 ... $417,430
JAPAN ROAD TO DERBY 1.Epicharis (JPN) .. 50 $451,195 (not going)
2.Mont St Legame (JPN) 40 $ 90,154 (not going)
3.Adirato (JPN) .. 20 $155,278 (not going)
4.Caucus (JPN) .. 16 $ 35,850 (did not qualify, not in top 3)
5.Foggy Night (JPN) . 5 $ 23,922 (did not qualify, not in top 3)
http://www.horse-races.net/library/derby17-points.htm
Edited by gtho4 (Sat Apr 29 2017 10:45 PM)
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#1164452 - Sun Apr 30 2017 01:56 PM
Re: Kentucky Derby ==> Sat 6th May
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Always Dreaming
Classic Empire
Irish War Cry
McCraken
One Liner
Gunnevera
Practical Joke
Thunder Snow
Battalion Runner
Girvin
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#1164691 - Thu May 04 2017 12:01 AM
Re: Kentucky Derby ==> Sat 6th May
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1. Tapwrit
2. McCracken
3. Irish War Cry
4. Gunnevera
5. Classic Empire
6. Irap
7. J Boys Echo
8. Girvin
9. Gormley
10. Always Dreaming
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#1164763 - Thu May 04 2017 11:14 PM
Kentucky Derby ==> Sat 6th May
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#1164788 - Fri May 05 2017 08:09 AM
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8 Hence
10 Gunnevera
14 Classic Empire
15 McCraken
5 Always Dreaming
7 Girvin
13 J Boys Echo
11 Battle of Midway
16 Tapwrit
17 Irish War Cry
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#1164824 - Fri May 05 2017 05:19 PM
Re: Kentucky Derby ==> Sat 6th May
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Classic Empire
Hence
Always Dreaming
McCraken
Practical Joke
State of Honour
Patch
Looking at Lee
Irap
Tapwrit
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#1164833 - Fri May 05 2017 06:15 PM
Re: Kentucky Derby ==> Sat 6th May
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Gormley
Always Dreaming
Gunnevera
Thunder Snow
Classic Empire
Girvin
Irish War Cry
Practical Joke
McCraken
Lookin at Lee
Alternate
State of Honor
Battle of Midway
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#1164901 - Sat May 06 2017 07:36 AM
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Always Dreaming
Classic Empire
Irish War Cry
Mccraken
Sonneteer
Battle of Midway
State of Honor
Hence
Girvin
Irap
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#1164936 - Sat May 06 2017 07:53 PM
Results & Standings .. Kentucky Derby
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10 players lodged picks1st
2nd
3rd
4th
5th | 5
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19 | Always Dreaming
Looking At Lee
Battle of Midaway
Classic Empirte
Practical Joke | |
6th - 7th - not required
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Position 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th |
Horse number 5 1 11 14 19 |
Points 10 6 3 2 1 pts | tie-breaker
| 1st 2nd 3rd 4th 5th
1. George95 10 6 2 1 19 | (2) (10) (5) (8)
2. ozzz2002 10 6 2 1 19 | (3) (8) (1) (5)
3. Howie72 10 6 2 18 | (5) (10) (6)
4. illiniman14 10 3 2 1 16 | (1) (8) (3) (9)
5. N-Bomb 10 3 2 15 | (1) (6) (2)
6. gtho4 10 3 2 15 | (5) (8) (3)
7. paper_aero 10 2 1 13 | (1) (2) (7)
8. wwe84 10 2 1 13 | (1) (4) (3)
9. srini701 10 2 12 | (10) (5)
10 ElfTwinkle 6 2 8 | (1) (3)
11 yoyoandcigs 10 2 12 | (7) (3)
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- the favourite claimed the roses for the fifth consecutive year .. but nobody picked the first five across the line.
- we needed three tie-breaker countbacks: one for the gold medal winner, one for 5th and one for 8th.
- the three medallists were the only players to pick the first two across the line.
- George95 won gold as he picked the winner with his 2nd pick, ozzz2002 picked the winner with his 3rd!
- last year's silver medallist was Howie72, which makes it back-to-back podium finishes; in fact it's four back-to-back podiums 2014-2015-2016-2017 with silver-silver-silver-bronze finishes over the last four years!
- the defending titleholder was N-Bomb.
- illiniman14 picked four of the first five across the line, but finished off the podium as the gold and silver medallists picked second-placed Looking At Lee.
- this was the 15th running of the Kentucky Derby comp .. no-one has retained his or her title, and George95 becomes only the 2nd player to win this twice (he won in 2012).
- the first to win this twice was buck5ley, in 2005 and 2007.
- close but yet so far .. ozzz2002 came within a whisker of winning two legs! The first-leg Grand National podium was: ozzz2002 gold, yoyoandcigs silver and wwe84 bronze.
- if ozzz2002 had won the countback he would've become the 4th person to win two legs, and only the 2nd person to go into the third leg (Melbourne Cup) with two wins and a chance to win the FT Triple Crown (the first was 22crows in 2014).
- anyway, maybe it wasn't meant to be ... we will now have to wait until next year to see if anyone can lift the FT Triple Crown.
- congratulations to the three medallists .. and see ya'all in November in Melbourne.
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For those of us who'd like to see where their 10 picks finished, there's a complete replay of the race here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FsBdwsT560E
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