I think that would be about right from my experience in authoring crosswords vs quizzes (but then I may be on the fast side for quizzes due to ample race/sprint experience). If experiences of others are different, then it could be adjusted - I just want to make sure crossword authors get about the same amount of overall TRIC points per hour invested.

I put it to you, that if you build it, they will come.

If you are getting one W point per puzzle, what are the "credits"? I'm only familiar with TRIC points (X, Y, or Z points) in the TRIC activity.

I can't really speak to equivalencies on that front. Ideally churning out forty questions isn't going to take the same amount of time as filling one crossword template (I would actually expect that the people who are partaking in something like this have a lot more technical proficiency to do so in a lesser amount of time).

TRIC, by and large, is not an authoring activity that first-timers engage with. As a reminder: this is a game that is participated in, generally, by established participants.

Creating a separate crossword component for it seems like an easy out-- saying that as a bit of a negative-- because ultimately the same people who are writing crosswords are...doing the same thing. There's no subcategory side to it, so it's basically just TRIC X, but for CWs, and for those who already have backlogs of crosswords waiting to be submitted, it's basically us just handing people those points when their relevant categories come up.

If we're giving points for sizes, we might as well also jack up quiz points to 1.5 (for 15qs), 2 (for 20qs) and 2.5 (for 25qs). Personally, I don't think that needs to happen; it seems kind of arbitrary. It boils down to the same type of grind because I doubt the aim is to give progression badges for 5, 10, 20 points when we're tripling (or quadrupling) point output. Someone who writes 5 large crosswords would suddenly have what is currently, in the current TRIC progression, a 7th level reward. To scale it up to suit is just potato, potahto. (FWIW, keeping it simple is so much better.)


The way that makes sense, to me, is allowing crosswords to be added in the X Round each rotation. Participants can get the points from that if they do a quiz or a crossword-- whatever suits your fancy. It provides a way to get the rewards for those not interested in quiz-writing, and it also means not having to manually write and change new rounds for something completely separate every two weeks (which is time-consuming). Since the category ID #s are the same, this shouldn't cause any wild problems on our end, at least for inputting information into the stage game.



This doesn't get into my other concern which is topicality. While a quiz submission is going to be inherently about its topic start-to-finish, there are looser restrictions in a crossword since it needs to work, mechanically, to be placed online. A crossword that goes into Video Games, while it will contain VG clues, might have concessions made as to how many do not need relevance. While the Y and Z rounds of TRIC try to force people out of their comfort zones by pushing them into topical niches (as was my original intent with the game-- to diversify ideas), including crosswords in TRIC might dilute that a little bit. The last VG crossword to go online is about 60% topical based on the clues. I don't think that's a bad thing for the puzzle-- the puzzle's gotta work, after all-- but if a 10q VG quiz had four non-VG questions, it wouldn't count for the point.

The alternative, in my opinion, is creating a new game entirely for CW authors-- maybe something challenging them a bit more beyond 'Write a General crossword' or 'Write an Animals crossword'.



I promise I'm not here to shoot down the ideas. Ultimately, I agree that CW authors should be rewarded for their ventures. This site was built on trivia and quizzes-- please don't be surprised that there are more authoring awards for those because ultimately, they are still the core competency of FunTrivia. I just think there might be more to be said for creating rewards (badges/badgelets/whatever) that bear more meaning than what would, in TRIC, just amount to quantity-- especially since CW authors already have basic quantity badges.


And again, I want to remind that TRIC wasn't created for quantity-- it was created for diversity. 'The Random Idea Chamber' (T.R.I.C.) has quality as its focus. X Rounds are a gateway and should be the easiest to secure-- Y and Z are meant for authors to branch out and it's not meant to be an easy grind (and it isn't, judging by the numbers). Adding crosswords to TRIC would not allow diversity beyond basic categories, and for our relevant CW authors, it would just be quantity.






This is kind of the opposite of what I'm getting at by meaningful addition though. We've put forth crossword rewards like Four Across and this year (2021), three people have claimed it at its lowest tier; six more if you count since its release last June. When I see that, I'm under the impression that if we build it, the same people will come. It's a nice reward for the same people, but we have to be realistic and understand that this is not for new authors. Quiz and Crossword creation is tough, and creating extensive elaborations on 'quantity' is not going to encourage them (new authors). If anything, it makes sense to me, thinking from a creation standpoint, to primarily aim for more achievable rewards for newcomers. And again, this isn't to say we shouldn't reward our avid creators. I'm just not going to be naive about expecting new blood from tough challenges; we've been proven the contrary.




Same thing.

Just moving this up in case it was missed.

I'm starting to believe this is never going to happen. Seems odd that this is the only game where it is missing but nothing gets said or done about it after several months and a few queries about it.

And would you be able to have a look at this too, Terry? Thank you.

This would be really helpful. Thanks.

"I'm starting to believe this is never going to happen. Seems odd that this is the only game where it is missing but nothing gets said or done about it after several months and a few queries about it."

It's simply the case that I tend to just let this thread run on, and then periodically I check in to see what is being requested. This thread by its nature and its title is low priority.

So I can add what you guys want, but please refresh my memory: there are so many "team" related scoreboards now that Im not exactly sure what you are referring to.

Please point me to an analogous page from a different game to illustrate what you want added.

Typically, this is what every other game has, in some order.

My Results - My Team - Winners - Monthly Standings

My Team in Expert is not there, giving the current hour's scores across the Levels

Added: https://www.funtrivia.com/expert/myteam.cfm

YAY!!!

Thanks!

Um, I'm putting my head above the parapet once again. I wonder whether it would be possible to give crossword authors the ability to create lists, much as can be done with quizzes. The lists serve two purposes; to highlight an author's offerings, hopefully encouraging more plays, and to make it easier for a player to follow an author they particularly like.

Funnily enough, accessing and playing crosswords via the author's profile does not turn the title green, as happens in the site crossword pages. The only way to keep track via profile is to keep a list offsite and remember to tick off as you go.

I for one would most certainly welcome the provision of such a facility.

There are two ideas here and I think both have merit.

1. I'd love to see crossword lists, so I could form sets of related puzzles.

2. Many's the time I've wished that looking at crosswords on an author's profile page would show me which ones I have yet to play.

These ideas get my vote.

My Fun Trivia team has regular Zoom meetings. I mentioned this idea there, because we have a number of people who write Crossword Puzzles.

One suggestion in response was "you could have mixed lists for both Quizzes and Crossword Puzzles."

I hadn't considered this, but the more I think about it, I reckon this would be great. There have been some Author Lounge challenges which have involved a Quiz plus Crossword solution. More versatile lists would be worthwhile.

Good idea. It has my vote!

That's an even better idea, Peter! Thanks!

One caveat I would have with mixed lists (apart from them probably being a pain to implement, build and display because quiz and crossword IDs are entirely different beasts) is that completing and claiming such a list would be very different from a quiz-only list.

The Author Lounge really has it easy in terms of mixing up quizzes, crosswords and singles - everything is manual and quite a few parts are on the honor system. Unfortunately, that doesn't translate well to the more formal and automated parts of the site.

Well, is there a possibility that crosswords only can be made into lists? Keep the two categories separate?

Crossword lists, as a separate beast, might well be an option. There could even be hard and easy completions on them (with hard being defined as solving all on hard or, if we want to be lenient, having no more than one easy mode complete).

On the face of it this would be a welcome addition to the crosswords section.

Presumably players who have previously completed a crossword would receive automatic credit for it?

[font:Book Antiqua]I would really like to see a limitation placed on the number of questions from a single quiz author in a timed game, preferably ONE. New Question and Gold Member Madness are the worst for this, I've seen as many as FOUR questions from the same question author in a single game, sometimes all on the same subject, but I just played a round of Who's the Smartest that had three questions from the same author in the game. Years ago when there were fewer questions and fewer question authors, this might have been a problem, but now? You might have to exclude Who's the Expert from this idea for smaller topics with just a few quizzes from just a few authors, but everything else should have more than enough quizzes to have 10 or 15 different question authors included.[/font]

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In New Question Game it is a matter of how many new questions form different authors are available for the mix. If you play at a moment there aree questions available from only ten different authors, you're bound to get more repeats than when questions form hundred authors have made the cut.

Today in FT Duel the same applies in the topic of the day: "Saints by the Calendar" counts only 26 quizzes, and two authors have each written a full dozen.

The New Question Game is still giving us questions from The Grill. Some of our prolific authors were more prolific than usual while that badge was running.