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#119660 - Mon Jul 15 2002 12:40 PM It Goes Wiithout Saying
gillyharold Offline
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It goes without saying that an expression like it goes without saying can drive literally-minded folks nuts. Why, they demand, if something truly goes without saying, would someone say it? Following that same logical train of thought, if there is no need to say something, why do people precede avowedly unnecessary comments with the qualifier needless to say?
Why, indeed. The short answer is that English does not always follow the rules of logic. The longer answer involves an investigation of idioms, expressions peculiar to themselves either grammatically (as in no, it wasn't me) or in having a meaning that cannot be reckoned from the sum of their parts (such as using the phrase had better to introduce a wise course of action).

Idiomatic phrases are not logical. In fact, the word idiom itself has an ancestor in a Latin term meaning individual peculiarity of language. Such peculiarities of language as needless to say and it goes without saying may be considered individual, but they do share two purposes: either one may emphasize that a writer or speaker regards the statement being made as in some way self-evident; and either may provide a graceful transition between sentences or paragraphs.


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#119661 - Mon Jul 15 2002 01:30 PM Re: It Goes Wiithout Saying
Jar Offline
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In reply to:

Why, they demand, if something truly goes without saying, would someone say it?



Ah, I see now. I this the reason some men have such a hard time saying "I love you?" I wonder how many times women have heard "Well it goes without saying that I love you! Why should I have to say it?" Heh..heh...heh.

"Needless to say," this is an interesting topic. (Maybe it belongs in Controversial Issues ). Thanks for bringing it up gh.

Now I have a question. When one puts an entire sentence within parentheses, does the period go before or after the last parentheses? And, which is plural -- parenthesis, or parentheses. Or what? Are they two different words?

Hmmmm. I think the hole I have dug for myself is getting deeper and deeper.


Edited by June (Mon Jul 15 2002 01:31 PM)
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#119662 - Mon Jul 15 2002 05:43 PM Re: It Goes Wiithout Saying
gillyharold Offline
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Ok June to answer your questions the period goes on the inside.

Singular is parenthesis and plural is parentheses with a z.

I think.

Are you all squared away now, did I erase all confusion from your mind?

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#119663 - Tue Jul 16 2002 06:05 PM Re: It Goes Wiithout Saying
Jar Offline
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Thank you gh -- now I'm just not as confused.

Squared away? Of course, I'm squared away -- most of the time.
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