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#1217593 - Sat Jan 19 2019 11:45 PM Re: Piece of Cake
demurechicky Offline
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I'm having a problem with this game. I'm shown as being in Diviision 3, I have played the last 2 games and my score isn't showing on the Division board. I have checked all divisions and I'm there, it's also registering in my games played section....help, I appear to be invisible! I'm sure it's a glitch....thank you in anticipation.

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#1217595 - Sat Jan 19 2019 11:58 PM Re: Piece of Cake
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Originally Posted By: eyhung
From the 4PM Piece of Cake game on Geography:

Code:
                        Level   Team                    Correct Time    Score
1.    jon541  	        196	LIGHTHEARTED RETURN	10	19.35	981
2.    eyhung  	        207	Olympians	        10	18.81	981
3.    zorba_scank  	220	The Joli Llamas	        10	19.87	980


Even though I had the fastest time by half a second, jon541's score was deemed higher on tiebreak because it came in earlier. I believe it should adjudicate ties by time instead of score if you're going to the trouble of tracking times down to the hundredths place.

Looking at those times, when I am thrilled to manage to get under 30 seconds in an especially fast game, makes me wonder how the algorithm has me in Division 5. frown I had hoped the new system might place me in a division where I could be more competitive. But I am used to knowing that this game is simply not one where I can expect much, so I am no worse off than before.
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#1217596 - Sun Jan 20 2019 12:00 AM Re: Piece of Cake
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Twice in a row I had the highest score in Division 3, I was robbed of my wins, my name did not show up at all! Nowhere! What is going on? I would have had more points already!!!! :((((

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#1217597 - Sun Jan 20 2019 12:15 AM Re: Piece of Cake
demurechicky Offline
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Seems like we have a similar problem tye as I came top of the division, two games ago!

I'm sure that Terry will sort it out smile

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#1217598 - Sun Jan 20 2019 12:24 AM Re: Piece of Cake
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Teammate George48 had the same problem yesterday, he reported it on the team board!

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#1217599 - Sun Jan 20 2019 12:37 AM Re: Piece of Cake
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Ok first problem: day/night not synching properly. I've changed it to day (5 divisions) 24 hours a day until I have time to work through what's wrong with the changeover.

Second problem: Can you explain what you mean by winning and not getting credit?

The players listed here are credited with the wins. Are you saying there was an hour where YOU beat the player listed here? If so, what hour?

http://www.funtrivia.com/hourly2/winnerstoday.cfm

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#1217600 - Sun Jan 20 2019 12:41 AM Re: Piece of Cake
demurechicky Offline
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Terry, I have just played this hours Easy game, Division 3 and my score hasn't registered again but shows wehn I click on all tournaments, it;s like I'm invisible in the division!

Shows this in my listings...

Hourly: Easy Game Humanities Jan/20/19 12:37 AM 10 / 10 970 In progress -- In Progress

But nothing at all in Division 3!

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#1217601 - Sun Jan 20 2019 12:41 AM Re: Piece of Cake
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#1217603 - Sun Jan 20 2019 12:43 AM Re: Piece of Cake
Terry Offline
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Originally Posted By: eyhung
From the 4PM Piece of Cake game on Geography:


Even though I had the fastest time by half a second, jon541's score was deemed higher on tiebreak because it came in earlier. I believe it should adjudicate ties by time instead of score if you're going to the trouble of tracking times down to the hundredths place.


Seems fair. Change made.

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#1217604 - Sun Jan 20 2019 12:45 AM Re: Piece of Cake
demurechicky Offline
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How strange is this! This hour I'm Diivision 5 and can't see me at all and I've just played!

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#1217605 - Sun Jan 20 2019 12:47 AM Re: Piece of Cake
Terry Offline
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Originally Posted By: demurechicky
How strange is this! This hour I'm Diivision 5 and can't see me at all and I've just played!

Ahhh... that's because I just changed night to day. You are div 3 at night, div 5 at day. So you played at night and now it's day wink

For this hour you are in Div 3. It will be consistent starting next hour.

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#1217606 - Sun Jan 20 2019 12:47 AM Re: Piece of Cake
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Ah, I'm shown as Division 5 this set but playing in Division 3!

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#1217607 - Sun Jan 20 2019 12:48 AM Re: Piece of Cake
demurechicky Offline
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Thank you Terry! I shall see how it goes smile

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#1217608 - Sun Jan 20 2019 12:49 AM Re: Piece of Cake
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Originally Posted By: demurechicky
How strange is this! This hour I'm Diivision 5 and can't see me at all and I've just played!


Demurechicky, I am seeing that as well, but then clicking on Division 3 shows the scores. I think this is a result of Terry manually changing all the late night games from 3 divisions to 5 just now, and it may not be a problem going forward. Let's try to see if there are problems in the hour after this one.

Originally Posted By: Terry
Seems fair. Change made.


Thanks Terry, I appreciate it.

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#1217609 - Sun Jan 20 2019 12:53 AM Re: Piece of Cake
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Originally Posted By: looney_tunes

Looking at those times, when I am thrilled to manage to get under 30 seconds in an especially fast game, makes me wonder how the algorithm has me in Division 5. frown I had hoped the new system might place me in a division where I could be more competitive. But I am used to knowing that this game is simply not one where I can expect much, so I am no worse off than before.


You placed 5 of 58 players in your very first game under the new system. The system correctly placed you in division 5.

You simply need more plays for the system to get a better of idea what your average performance is like. Your division changes based on your real performance.

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#1217611 - Sun Jan 20 2019 01:32 AM Re: Piece of Cake
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All seems to be sorted now, thank you Terry!

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#1217617 - Sun Jan 20 2019 06:13 AM Re: Piece of Cake
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[Post deleted. Too early in the morning-- didn't see all the replies.] wink


Edited by kyleisalive (Sun Jan 20 2019 06:14 AM)
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#1217645 - Sun Jan 20 2019 10:36 PM Re: Piece of Cake
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The system is working! I am now down in Level 4, and seeing times that make me feel as if I can actually be competitive with a good set. At least not discouragingly totally out of shot.
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#1217790 - Tue Jan 22 2019 11:45 PM Re: Piece of Cake
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What was the Speed Demon badge given for before the switchover?
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#1217800 - Wed Jan 23 2019 05:17 AM Re: Piece of Cake
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It was given for winning your division once. One of the really easy ones to get if you were low level.
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#1217825 - Wed Jan 23 2019 09:46 AM Re: Piece of Cake
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After playing POC I was told

"Total score: 852.52
You have been awarded 85 points for your score."

Indeed I did have 85 points added to score, but the leaderboard gives me "+71", which should be +85 ?

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#1218039 - Mon Jan 28 2019 06:55 AM Re: Piece of Cake
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I think we should revisit the requirements for Level 1 of the Speed Demon badge, especially since it is listed in the 1. Amethyst Dojo section which are supposed to be among the easiest to get. In the past, all that was needed was to win your division one time. Regardless of your level, that division did not include anyone in Champions Division. Now, unless you are level 5 and competing mostly against people who would have been Champions Division in the past, you need to win multiple times. And most likely, those wins would push you into stronger divisions which are progressively harder to win.

From Jan 7 - Jan 17 when the changes went live, there were 17 winners of the badge. From Jan 17 after the changes went live through Jan 28, there were 0 winners.

I recommend that the requirement be dropped from 5 winners points to 1 winners point. That way anyone who wins their division earns the badge.

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#1218050 - Mon Jan 28 2019 01:22 PM Re: Piece of Cake
Terry Offline
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Originally Posted By: andymuenz
I think we should revisit the requirements for Level 1 of the Speed Demon badge, especially since it is listed in the 1. Amethyst Dojo section which are supposed to be among the easiest to get. In the past, all that was needed was to win your division one time. Regardless of your level, that division did not include anyone in Champions Division. Now, unless you are level 5 and competing mostly against people who would have been Champions Division in the past, you need to win multiple times. And most likely, those wins would push you into stronger divisions which are progressively harder to win.

From Jan 7 - Jan 17 when the changes went live, there were 17 winners of the badge. From Jan 17 after the changes went live through Jan 28, there were 0 winners.

I recommend that the requirement be dropped from 5 winners points to 1 winners point. That way anyone who wins their division earns the badge.


Wes and I agreed with this. Tier 1 has been dropped to 1 point, and the next few tiers have been scaled down a bit, but the later tiers remain the same.


Edited by Terry (Tue Jan 29 2019 01:52 PM)

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#1218147 - Wed Jan 30 2019 09:27 AM Re: Piece of Cake
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How is transition between divisions measured/triggered?

For various reasons, I haven't played the POC game since divisions were introduced, so I've been listed as being in Division 1 all that time. But I played it today, and won. And suddenly I'm catapulted past Divisions 2, 3 and 4, straight into 5!

Is winning Division 1 always enough to get you straight into Division 5? Or is time a factor too?
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#1218148 - Wed Jan 30 2019 09:57 AM Re: Piece of Cake
Terry Offline
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Originally Posted By: stedman
How is transition between divisions measured/triggered?

For various reasons, I haven't played the POC game since divisions were introduced, so I've been listed as being in Division 1 all that time. But I played it today, and won. And suddenly I'm catapulted past Divisions 2, 3 and 4, straight into 5!

Is winning Division 1 always enough to get you straight into Division 5? Or is time a factor too?


It's based on your relative finishing position to everyone else. There's simply no data to work with at 1 play so it guesses and figures you scored well against everyone in ALL divisions and throws you into division 5. As you play more it recalculates and re-guesses.

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