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#1219273 - Mon Feb 11 2019 12:16 PM FITB Changes
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- I was going to move it to 6 hour games, but I've decided to reduce to 4 hour games. So 6 games a day.

- We will have 5 divisions, hopefully keeping those who have things memorized a little further apart from those who don't.

- Winner points / upgrades added.

QUESTION:

Do we want to vastly increase the FITB database by throwing in all of the true/false questions in the database too? That may spice things up a bit considering there are quite a lot of them that no one has memorized, and that you can easily answer with a "t" or "f" or "y" or "n" in the text field. These are also questions that don't appear in any other games, so are currently going unused.


#2. Triviaballer -- yes, we could potentially add a "single question" submission for this game too. I want to see if we can get a little more interest going in it though, as I was close to shutting this game down entirely... so I'm not inclined to invest much more time into it unless it gains some new legs.




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#1219274 - Mon Feb 11 2019 12:21 PM Re: FITB Changes
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This isn't a complaint, just an observation:

I have a Daily Challenge to score a certain number of points in FMI today. I had played once, just went to play again and found that the changeover is happening. Not a big deal to me as I'm pretty casual about all the games I play (and the challenges) but others might feel blindsided having it happen in the middle of the day.


Six games a day sounds good to me, thanks Terry smile

As to adding T/F questions to the data base: I think that might be fun!

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#1219275 - Mon Feb 11 2019 12:44 PM Re: FITB Changes
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I agree that adding some T/F questions would be fun.

For the games that have been changed from less often than once an hour, could the corresponding Daily Challenges that require a high point value also be changed? Thank you.

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#1219276 - Mon Feb 11 2019 12:57 PM Re: FITB Changes
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Yes, challenges will be changed.

I'm also tweaking the FITB qn pool to remove some of the obscure only-experts-would-have-a-clue un-fun stuff... like what's such and such in portugese.


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#1219277 - Mon Feb 11 2019 01:04 PM Re: FITB Changes
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How about we allow a X year (2? 5?) +/- on year answers in FITB? They often do that at pub trivia.


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#1219279 - Mon Feb 11 2019 01:16 PM Re: FITB Changes
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What is meant by "5-year +/-" ?
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#1219280 - Mon Feb 11 2019 01:16 PM Re: FITB Changes
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Originally Posted By: Terry
How about we allow a 5 year +/- on year answers in FITB? They often do that at pub trivia.


Grr! I hate that in pub trivia, especially on dates people should know like 1066 or 1776 or 1867 - but then I'm probably in the minority smile

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#1219281 - Mon Feb 11 2019 01:24 PM Re: FITB Changes
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Originally Posted By: spanishliz
Originally Posted By: Terry
How about we allow a 5 year +/- on year answers in FITB? They often do that at pub trivia.


Grr! I hate that in pub trivia, especially on dates people should know like 1066 or 1776 or 1867 - but then I'm probably in the minority smile


Yeah, it's certainly not needed in obvious cases. There are quite a few dates though in the DB that pretty much no one would know unless they had them memorized.

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#1219283 - Mon Feb 11 2019 01:41 PM Re: FITB Changes
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Ok havent made any changes to date handling, that's only if people think it would be a useful addition.

Game is up and running.

Please report any issues -- I did a lot of playing around w the qn pool and true/false qns.



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#1219284 - Mon Feb 11 2019 02:01 PM Re: FITB Changes
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This fill-in-the-blank hourly game ends in 2 hours, 15 minutes.


That seems interesting.
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#1219285 - Mon Feb 11 2019 02:05 PM Re: FITB Changes
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I like the idea of adding t/f questions - but in the set I just had, 7 out of 10 were t/f and to me that seemed a bit unbalanced.

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#1219287 - Mon Feb 11 2019 02:17 PM Re: FITB Changes
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I had three T/F just now, and that seemed about right. They certainly help speed a bit.

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#1219288 - Mon Feb 11 2019 02:24 PM Re: FITB Changes
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I almost feel like what this game needs is a core set of questions that test the basics that most people have a reasonable chance at. The question pool has an interesting mix of stuff for sure but is missing a set of basic questions.

like, the names of sports teams, world capitals, the name of the Xth planet from the sun, etc.

The thing is... we already have most of that in MC question quizzes...

I'm starting to think a cool solution is to whitelist certain multiple choice quizzes for inclusion in this game. Surely there must be some out there where all questions have unambiguous, short answers...

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#1219289 - Mon Feb 11 2019 02:30 PM Re: FITB Changes
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Actually, it's probably best at the question level.

For example this is a good quiz to use questions from for FITB:

http://www.funtrivia.com/playquiz/quiz37732454be8.html

We could use most of the questions in there as is. The system could easily turn them into FITB questions.

Is anyone interested, if I give them a tool, in tagging questions throughout quizzes for inclusion in FITB?

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#1219291 - Mon Feb 11 2019 02:36 PM Re: FITB Changes
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I see the tool and I like it.
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#1219295 - Mon Feb 11 2019 03:02 PM Re: FITB Changes
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I see it too and also like it!

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#1219297 - Mon Feb 11 2019 03:14 PM Re: FITB Changes
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#1219300 - Mon Feb 11 2019 04:00 PM Re: FITB Changes
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Wait a second. You are completely changing Fill Me In now. There are those of us who like an entirely FITB quiz. Calling it Fill Me In doesn't even make sense any more.


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#1219302 - Mon Feb 11 2019 04:13 PM Re: FITB Changes
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Wait a second. You are completely changing Fill Me In now. There are those of us who like an entirely FITB quiz. Calling it Fill Me In doesn't even make sense any more.


Please play the game before jumping to conclusions and before making assumptions as to how it's going to be. Again, you're asserting the 'royal we' when giving your subjective opinion about the game.

The game is still completely FITB. It had T/F and Y/N questions before the changes in the same format as it exists now (ie. typing T or F or Y or N).

As Terry said and I've alluded to in responses to your posts specifically (in these forums AND in the Author Lounge board, the latter of which was a response you asked me to follow up on), FMI was a game slated for either big changes or, even more likely, complete removal. This is not new news. This isn't a case of 'if it ain't broke'. If you read my post in the Word Wizard thread, this game has been broke. Terry is fixing it instead of scrapping it.

I don't know how we can make changes or potential improvements if every one of them is going to be met with instant retaliation from you. And I know this is likely coming across as harsh, but it's been like clockwork in almost every thread about game changes-- this time, within a couple hours of the actual changes (many of which haven't happened, like volunteers being able to whitelist questions for inclusion in the game) and within the span of a single play of the game. Just like with the homepage and design changes from last year, please give some things a chance to settle before asking us to change them back (or, as has been said for this game, asking us to get rid of FMI altogether. Because that's the other option.).


(Edit to add: To note my response from the Author Lounge post I mentioned above wherein you specifically asked for an more FMI questions:

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Gracious1: "What do you think about my suggestion to relax the FITB rule for extremely experience quiz writers? The Fill Me In game could use an injection of fresh questions."

-- I think that all-FITB quizzes, based on feedback from players, are not a direction I want to see, especially for the express purpose of bulking up a game that would need much more of an overhaul than just a set of new questions. I've always been under the belief that a fully-formed, cohesive quiz is the ideal route, and that does not lend itself quite as easily to having its questions plucked out for something like FMI.

To sum up an answer to your question there, and this is my personal answer, and not an answer on behalf of anyone on the staff:
-FMI needs to be fixed/replaced to be better for mobile/tablet users (and I don't have a solution for that because it's not really my field on the site) and that fix is not solved by pumping new questions into it. And yes, I know that we have a small, vocal subset of people who are not for this attitude, but the reality is that it's a thing and unless FT bends to accommodate mobile and tablet users, it will not get new players. We can't survive in the past.
-We should be making choices on FT that work for all authors and do not just grant more privileges to a select few who've already done a lot of work.
-We should always be considering quality over quantity. I would not reject a well-written all-FITB quiz in my categories from a capable author as-is. But there's a reason you don't see any, and it's not because we say no. We should not be actively telling people to make them


Terry's changes actually look to improve on this in the best way with the path of least resistance, and it seems to fulfill exactly what you were looking for-- more questions for FMI by updating the cache with fresh questions.)


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#1219318 - Mon Feb 11 2019 07:44 PM Re: FITB Changes
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Originally Posted By: Terry
Actually, it's probably best at the question level.

For example this is a good quiz to use questions from for FITB:

http://www.funtrivia.com/playquiz/quiz37732454be8.html

We could use most of the questions in there as is. The system could easily turn them into FITB questions.

Is anyone interested, if I give them a tool, in tagging questions throughout quizzes for inclusion in FITB?



These are the exact type questions that would be fun in a FITB format. If there is an easy way for the system to filter these (maybe +80% correct in MC and less than 200 words in the question) that'd be awesome.

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#1219319 - Mon Feb 11 2019 08:01 PM Re: FITB Changes
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"These are the exact type questions that would be fun in a FITB format. If there is an easy way for the system to filter these (maybe +80% correct in MC and less than 200 words in the question) that'd be awesome."

There's no automatic way to do that due to the nature of some questions just not working in FITB, but I have given editors a tool that allows them to hunt around and add questions immediately to the FITB pool. I added around 110 questions myself this afternoon.

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#1219330 - Mon Feb 11 2019 09:33 PM Re: FITB Changes
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#1219332 - Mon Feb 11 2019 09:44 PM Re: FITB Changes
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(pcg) -- yeah I've decided to leave that discussion for some other time.

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#1219335 - Mon Feb 11 2019 10:13 PM Re: FITB Changes
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Figured that was it (my response was positive).
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#1219339 - Mon Feb 11 2019 10:58 PM Re: FITB Changes
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Could the clues be made more consistent and accurate? Things like "true/false" have sometimes allowed merely t or f, even though not stated in the clue. Make it standard if possible. Other clues sometimes say "full name or just surname". Other questions ask for "full name" but have allowed the surname only as the answer. If it say full name, then that is what should be the only allowed answer.

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