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#1219763 - Fri Feb 15 2019 04:02 PM Re: FITB Changes
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It probably makes sense to move most of the T/F into 50/50... I'd like us to pad the FITB db with more MC-injections first though.

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#1219764 - Fri Feb 15 2019 04:31 PM Re: FITB Changes
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Originally Posted By: eyhung
Fill Me In Tier 3 requires just 32 win points, while all other badges with similar tiers require 35 win points.




One argument in favor of fewer points necessary for a given tier on FITB is that since the game is only played once every 4 hours there are fewer opportunities to obtain winners points.


Edited by andymuenz (Fri Feb 15 2019 04:31 PM)

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#1219776 - Fri Feb 15 2019 05:17 PM Re: FITB Changes
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Terry said that he plans to lower the win points necessary for tiers on GMM because of its long cycle time and the fewer divisions (and that makes sense). I suppose he will do that for FMI as well once things "settle in" and they get more data. But meanwhile all the other tiers were exactly the same as the hourly games, so it felt like a mistake.

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#1219817 - Sat Feb 16 2019 08:42 AM Re: FITB Changes
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I'm wondering how the scoring works on this game now and I apologize if it was already answered. The game description detail states it's -1pt/sec to 150 sec and then -3pts/sec after. So if you have 14/15 in 105.42 wouldn't that be 1295? It seems to be -3/sec for all times. Is this intentional?

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#1219818 - Sat Feb 16 2019 09:17 AM Re: FITB Changes
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I had two questions in this FITB set which were classified as "Easy" because a high percentage got them right in the original quiz, but which I would consider to be "Difficult" because of specialized knowledge where I had no way to guess. One was from a quiz on a daytime soap opera (Passions) asking who one of the characters was in love with. The other asked for an episode title in Season 1 of Buffy the Vampire Slayer based on a description of the episode. I've never seen Passions and don't consider the characters to be general knowledge. I have occasionally watched Buffy, but I wouldn't expect most people to know episode titles in any series unless they are hardcore fans.

I know Terry is looking into getting percentages of correct answers from how questions were answered in mixed games rather than how they were answered in the original quizzes, but in the meantime is there any way that players can flag questions that come from more specialized quizzes so that the Easy/Medium/Difficult rankings can be reviewed? (Other than "this question should not be in this game" which doesn't have the opportunity to explain why.)

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#1219819 - Sat Feb 16 2019 09:22 AM Re: FITB Changes
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Originally Posted By: agony
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I don't think it's necessary to send notes on these types of things unless they are appearing in their original quizzes as FITB when they should be T/F format.


You'll still find the odd one, now and then, that has that format. I got a CN on one just the other day - probably sent in by you, nautilator!

Oh, probably.

Yes, I only send such corrections when in the original quiz it's a FITB.

On a related note, I just saw a question where the correct answer is 'Jane Austen'. I looked at the quiz and found... that it's not actually a FITB so no wonder it insists on a two-word answer. Are we ok with these sorts of questions in the hourly game?

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#1219820 - Sat Feb 16 2019 11:23 AM Re: FITB Changes
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Yes, you're going to be seeing some of this. So as time goes on, best to pay really close attention to the clue.

The only "name" questions I've slotted for FITB so far, since Terry started this, are ones where both first and last name are very familiar to most people. Not the kind where people would know the surname but might not be sure whether he was James or John. For the most part, I've been staying away from names, but a few will be allowed.

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#1219828 - Sat Feb 16 2019 11:51 AM Re: FITB Changes
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Triviaballer, as stated in the game details, it's only 80 points per correct question, not 100.

Putting the scoring details and time penalties in the game details is a good idea. Would be nice to see this for other games too.

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#1219832 - Sat Feb 16 2019 12:47 PM Re: FITB Changes
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Originally Posted By: rossian
I've just played it and liked the new format. The Achievement upgrades need tweaking, though. I was told I needed to get 10 correct in 35 seconds, which is not now an achievable target (and never was for me, but that's another story).


Yes, this certainly needs to undergo a tweak. Judging by the times being posted, Level 7 will be impossible for anyone now.
With all the changes made to the database for this game, I wonder why it really needed to be changed to 15 questions. It wasn't popular for many because of the time needed for typing. Now it takes significantly longer. Will that affect it's popularity after the novelty wears off?

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#1219836 - Sat Feb 16 2019 01:14 PM Re: FITB Changes
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Ah, thanks eyhiung I remember seeing that, just so used to everything being 100/answer. The changes are fine but I don't think the question bank is where it needs to be yet. There's still a lot of non-general knowledge questions in there. To be sure it's a fine line between too easy and too difficult.

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#1219864 - Sat Feb 16 2019 03:07 PM Re: FITB Changes
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Originally Posted By: Triviaballer
I'm wondering how the scoring works on this game now and I apologize if it was already answered. The game description detail states it's -1pt/sec to 150 sec and then -3pts/sec after. So if you have 14/15 in 105.42 wouldn't that be 1295? It seems to be -3/sec for all times. Is this intentional?


80 pts per question, not 100 in this game.

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#1219865 - Sat Feb 16 2019 03:10 PM Re: FITB Changes
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Originally Posted By: Julia103
I had two questions in this FITB set which were classified as "Easy" because a high percentage got them right in the original quiz, but which I would consider to be "Difficult" because of specialized knowledge where I had no way to guess. One was from a quiz on a daytime soap opera (Passions) asking who one of the characters was in love with. The other asked for an episode title in Season 1 of Buffy the Vampire Slayer based on a description of the episode. I've never seen Passions and don't consider the characters to be general knowledge. I have occasionally watched Buffy, but I wouldn't expect most people to know episode titles in any series unless they are hardcore fans.

I know Terry is looking into getting percentages of correct answers from how questions were answered in mixed games rather than how they were answered in the original quizzes, but in the meantime is there any way that players can flag questions that come from more specialized quizzes so that the Easy/Medium/Difficult rankings can be reviewed? (Other than "this question should not be in this game" which doesn't have the opportunity to explain why.)


Just flag with "shouldnt be in this game". They are reviewed.

A question (any question!) from something extremely specific like "passions the daytime soap opera" doesn't belong in this game except perhaps in the difficult category, and we have lots of such valid questions there. So just flag. Let's weed out this specific stuff ASAP.

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#1219868 - Sat Feb 16 2019 04:24 PM Re: FITB Changes
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Just removed 100 questions that were flagged and seemed inappropriate or which were effectively impossible based on their correctness stats.

Question pool should get better quite fast.


Edited by Terry (Sat Feb 16 2019 04:24 PM)

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#1219875 - Sat Feb 16 2019 07:33 PM Re: FITB Changes
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It might be worth expanding on the inappropriate question report - being a new shiny thing I clicked it just to see what the options were going to be not realising that was a final prompt. Having options there would likely help the average player be aware of what it's for, e.g. the aforementioned specific TV questions that everyone who's seen the show knows and everyone who hasn't seen the show hasn't a clue.

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#1219885 - Sun Feb 17 2019 06:55 AM Re: FITB Changes
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Will do! Thanks!

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#1220111 - Tue Feb 19 2019 05:19 PM Re: FITB Changes
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Originally Posted By: Terry
Just removed 100 questions that were flagged and seemed inappropriate or which were effectively impossible based on their correctness stats.

Question pool should get better quite fast.


I found a question that referred to something "in the picture". I was able to answer it, but my understanding is that questions from Photo Quizzes should not be part of the pool. (I flagged it.)


Edited by gracious1 (Tue Feb 19 2019 05:19 PM)
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#1220114 - Tue Feb 19 2019 05:30 PM Re: FITB Changes
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We flagged that issue and Terry said he was going to take care of it.
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#1220207 - Wed Feb 20 2019 09:49 AM Re: FITB Changes
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Originally Posted By: ssabreman
Originally Posted By: rossian
I've just played it and liked the new format. The Achievement upgrades need tweaking, though. I was told I needed to get 10 correct in 35 seconds, which is not now an achievable target (and never was for me, but that's another story).


Yes, this certainly needs to undergo a tweak. Judging by the times being posted, Level 7 will be impossible for anyone now.
With all the changes made to the database for this game, I wonder why it really needed to be changed to 15 questions. It wasn't popular for many because of the time needed for typing. Now it takes significantly longer. Will that affect it's popularity after the novelty wears off?


Until it's tweaked, all the upgrades will be impossible, since they require 10 questions within a set time, and there are 15 questions in the quiz now. Or did I miss something?
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#1220246 - Wed Feb 20 2019 04:31 PM Re: FITB Changes
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FITB achievements have been fixed for 15 qns.

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#1221641 - Tue Mar 05 2019 10:17 AM Re: FITB Changes
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While playing Fill in the Blank, I received a question that didn't make any sense. Once I finished it I went ahead and clicked the link to play the quiz and it turned out that it was from a Photo quiz and the question referred to something in the picture. I submitted an error report asking for this particular question to be pulled from the pool but also thought I should suggest that all questions from Photo quizzes be pulled from the pool. There are two reasons for this. The first is that it is difficult to judge if they refer directly to the picture. The second is that even if they don't, the picture can often give a hint and since FITB does not include the hint, the difficulty level of the question can be skewed depending on whether the photo is available or not.

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#1221897 - Thu Mar 07 2019 06:03 PM Re: FITB Changes
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I am unable to play the current set's Fill Me In, with an error message saying:

"An Unexpected Error has Occurred
We are unable to continue because an error has occurred.
The administrators have been notified of the problem.
Please hit back on your browser to continue."

However, I see other people recording results without issue, so I'm wondering if this is specific to just me.

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#1221900 - Thu Mar 07 2019 06:22 PM Re: FITB Changes
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Also unable to play. Same error message received.
The number of recorded results in division I’m in have not changed since I first tried 20 minutes ago.

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#1221901 - Thu Mar 07 2019 06:25 PM Re: FITB Changes
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I was able to play now but my time was calculated as having started at the first, buggy time, so I have a ridiculous looking time...

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#1222143 - Sat Mar 09 2019 09:47 PM Re: FITB Changes
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Encountered a question from a photo quiz once again during the current set of questions. A bit frustrating when you can’t guess the answer. Has happened 3 times in last week. Have flagged it like the others. Hopefully it will be removed from question pool

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#1222265 - Mon Mar 11 2019 01:35 PM Re: FITB Changes
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Simply unable to find any photo quiz questions in the FITB database....... please copy and paste here the EXACT photo quiz question text that appears so I can try to track down whatever may be going on. Thx

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