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#1238468 - Fri Jul 26 2019 07:09 PM Re: Team of the Year 2019
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Thanks Wes, it is always great to see how teams are going.

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#1238499 - Sat Jul 27 2019 04:06 AM Re: Team of the Year 2019
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Some late June scores - sorry, but I had to cool them down and redistill them after they had melted in the European heatwave.

Code:
1.	The Mossbacks               	998.77
2.	Worldwide Wizards           	990.12
3.	The Joli Llamas             	986.27
4.	Wisdom of the Fool          	973.23
5.	No Worries!                 	925.77
6.	Kindred Spirits             	906.18
7.	Old Farts                   	896.91
8.	Pi in the Sky               	895.87
9.	The Bee's Knees             	895.33
10.	The Calculators             	894.44
11.	The Cat People              	889.81
12.	Quiz Makers Guild           	883.70
13.	Funsters                    	875.22
14.	Faithful and True           	862.43
15.	Wandering Quizzers          	813.05
16.	The Beeronians              	811.47
17.	The Regal Beagles           	808.45
18.	Phoenix Rising              	807.63
19.	classicalmusic/mensan       	800.93
20.	THE CONSERVATIVES           	787.22
21.	The Devious Demons          	786.42
22.	The Moops                   	766.89
23.	The Palmetto Players        	746.57
24.	Canadian Players            	741.51
25.	Vixens                      	736.86
26.	The Homo Sapiens            	730.77
27.	Yorkshire and Proud         	720.66
28.	Tesla Coil                  	706.75
29.	The Internationals          	694.13
30.	Mustardlanders              	691.59
31.	LIGHTHEARTED RETURN         	683.65
32.	Australian Players          	677.31
33.	No Team here...             	676.39
34.	The Devil's Advocates       	670.99
35.	Sports Lovers               	660.17
36.	Best of the West            	658.24
37.	Ultimate Opportunists       	650.89
38.	Trivia Bubbles              	643.41
39.	Dream Weavers               	638.91
40.	Rock the Clock              	635.26
41.	Dog Park                    	628.29
42.	European Players            	628.24
43.	United States of Trivia     	594.60
44.	Wise & Winsome Night Owls   	591.02
45.	Children of Terra           	587.83
46.	A JOYFUL NOISE              	587.53
47.	Kilted Kangas               	585.02
48.	Triviamanic                 	569.81
49.	Retired And Loving It       	565.74
50.	Sploofers                   	558.49
51.	The Titans                  	552.98
52.	Geographers                 	548.45
53.	Writer's Block              	547.09
54.	The Usual Suspects          	536.42
55.	Music Moguls                	519.38
56.	All 50 States               	503.40
57.	League of Nations           	488.48
58.	Totally Trivia              	480.54
59.	The Scrambled Eggheads      	471.60
60.	English Group               	468.35
61.	CLIQUE-KICKERS              	467.90
62.	Yes, We're Babes!           	460.95
63.	Age Is Only a Number        	460.82
64.	The Great Outdoors          	443.51
65.	StarStruck                  	429.68
66.	Dynasty Dominators of Death 	426.45
67.	Raised in the Sixties       	423.66
68.	Triviabiz                   	420.52
69.	Past Times                  	417.39
70.	USA West Coast              	408.11
71.	MIND OVER MATTER            	404.63
72.	New Zealanders              	399.80
73.	USA East Coast Players      	383.07
74.	DC Team                     	362.87
75.	The CBBers                  	357.11
76.	South African players       	355.15
77.	Friends of Jesus            	353.70
78.	TV Watchers Anonymous       	344.85
79.	Bible Believers Brigade     	343.55
80.	Canberrans                  	335.64
81.	Midwest USA Players         	330.86
82.	The Proud Peacocks          	325.77
83.	UnreconstructedHippies      	320.90
84.	The Divine Comedians        	313.46
85.	Romania Team                	310.43
86.	Heaven's Angels             	293.23
87.	Supernatural Fans           	291.82
88.	Hoi Polloi                  	286.74
89.	The Dog People              	281.02
90.	Terra Nova                  	277.52
91.	Ojibwe Lodge                	277.35
92.	50+ And Proud Of It         	274.71
93.	Trivia Garden               	270.87
94.	X Squad                     	267.99
95.	Trivia For Adults           	267.24
96.	The British                 	266.82
97.	Scotland the Brains         	260.96
98.	Washingtonians              	258.69
99.	Trivia Geeks                	241.57
100.	Laid Back Larrikins         	239.87
101.	WALES                       	236.13
102.	The Lost Connection         	230.70
103.	The Happy Few               	228.68
104.	The Meek Shall Inherit      	221.77
105.	Trivially Challenged        	220.84
106.	Movie Buffs                 	219.14
107.	British Brains              	218.78
108.	Aussies                     	218.47
109.	USS Enterprise              	215.45
110.	Harry Potter Fans           	212.41
111.	THE Baker's Dozen           	211.02
112.	Poetic license              	200.60
113.	Atheist Quizzers            	200.31
114.	Hardcore History Gurus      	193.57
115.	The New England Alliance    	189.70
116.	The White Angels            	184.19
117.	The Movie/Music Lovers      	163.94
118.	Play for Fun                	156.07
119.	Ultimate Teammates          	152.21
120.	The Misplaced               	151.57
121.	the banana splits           	151.25
122.	The Frost Dragons           	139.89
123.	Hide5 Trivia Team           	138.66
124.	Playing for fun             	122.75
125.	New York State Folks        	115.43
126.	THE JOY                     	108.72
127.	Trivia Just For Fun         	104.17
128.	Inhabitants of Planet Earth 	93.76
129.	Rose Petal Quizzers         	89.02
130.	YOLO Team                   	82.09
131.	Port Vale                   	75.14
132.	Hakuna Matata               	72.18


which, after using some liquid helium to speed up the cooling process, crystallized into cumulative scores resembling this table:

Code:
1.	*	The Mossbacks          	5997.56
2.	*	Worldwide Wizards      	5935.31
3.	*	The Joli Llamas        	5916.20
4.	*	Wisdom of the Fool     	5813.28
5.	^1	Old Farts              	5481.84
6.	^2	Kindred Spirits        	5475.66
7.	v2	The Calculators        	5466.62
8.	^1	No Worries!            	5459.88
9.	v2	The Bee's Knees        	5457.58
10.	^1	The Cat People         	5360.55
11.	v1	Pi in the Sky          	5316.77
12.	^2	Faithful and True      	5294.35
13.	*	Funsters               	5277.98
14.	v2	The Regal Beagles      	5187.12
15.	^2	classicalmusic/mensan  	4912.17
16.	*	The Devious Demons     	4911.71
17.	v2	Tesla Coil             	4896.81
18.	^2	Wandering Quizzers     	4783.66
19.	v1	The Moops              	4780.04
20.	v1	LIGHTHEARTED RETURN    	4583.81
21.	*	Yorkshire and Proud    	4476.70
22.	^1	Canadian Players       	4455.36
23.	^7	Quiz Makers Guild      	4421.05
24.	v2	The Homo Sapiens       	4407.53
25.	^2	The Beeronians         	4405.79
26.	v2	Vixens                 	4379.50
27.	^1	Phoenix Rising         	4331.45
28.	v2	The Palmetto Players   	4287.97
29.	v4	Dream Weavers          	4123.02
30.	v1	The Devil's Advocates  	4033.41
31.	^1	No Team here...        	3997.39
32.	^2	Rock the Clock         	3954.96
33.	v2	Children of Terra      	3872.14
34.	^2	European Players       	3839.17
35.	*	United States of Trivia	3821.92
36.	v3	League of Nations      	3744.01
37.	^6	Sports Lovers          	3721.99
38.	v1	A JOYFUL NOISE         	3701.90
39.	^5	Australian Players     	3674.27
40.	^1	Dog Park               	3662.34
41.	^4	Ultimate Opportunists  	3628.02
42.	v3	The Titans             	3613.16
43.	^7	Mustardlanders         	3602.28
44.	^3	Trivia Bubbles         	3590.55
45.	v3	Triviamanic            	3566.26
46.	NEW	The Internationals     	3548.62
47.	v9	Totally Trivia         	3462.33
48.	NEW	THE CONSERVATIVES      	3458.33
49.	*	Sploofers              	3455.31
50.	v4	Writer's Block         	3410.11


I might once again point out that, if you rename your team (even if it's only an extra apostrophe, dear Bee's Knees smile ) you should notify me to ensure your legacy will correctly add up in the cumulative scores. That goes particularly if you're one of those teams in the eternal Hall of Fame - I might not remember a mid-year rename in December and you might find yourselves undeservedly fallen from grace in the final table...


Edited by WesleyCrusher (Sat Jul 27 2019 04:08 AM)
Edit Reason: Eye canned spel...
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#1238528 - Sat Jul 27 2019 01:40 PM Re: Team of the Year 2019
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Thank you, Wes!

Sorry about the name change for The Bee's Knees and hope it didn't cause you too much trouble/time. I never even thought about letting you know. Thank you very much for catching it for us.

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#1238643 - Sun Jul 28 2019 11:24 PM Re: Team of the Year 2019
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Originally Posted By: WesleyCrusher
I might once again point out that, if you rename your team (even if it's only an extra apostrophe, dear Bee's Knees smile ) you should notify me to ensure your legacy will correctly add up in the cumulative scores. That goes particularly if you're one of those teams in the eternal Hall of Fame - I might not remember a mid-year rename in December and you might find yourselves undeservedly fallen from grace in the final table...

That was my fault. Our own Humanist wrote to the Bees Knees asking if/where there should be an apostrophe in the name and they expressed regret that there wasn't one, so I pointed out that changing the name of the team was a relatively simple matter, and explained how to do it, so they did.

Thanks for continuing to do this.

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#1239153 - Sat Aug 03 2019 03:21 AM Re: Team of the Year 2019
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Thank you Wes.

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#1240438 - Sun Aug 18 2019 03:17 PM Re: Team of the Year 2019
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How are the scores calculated for Team of the Year ?

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#1240440 - Sun Aug 18 2019 03:43 PM Re: Team of the Year 2019
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These ratings use the standings from the "last month" page: http://www.funtrivia.com/tvt_lastmonth.cfm

There are ten games on that page and the raw placings are converted to a percentile for each game. So if there were exactly 25 larger teams in one specific game, the first would get 100 points, the second 96, third 92 and so on down to 4 for the last one. With 100 teams, it's 100, 99, 98, and so on. 73 teams and we get 100, 98.63, 97.26, etc. smile

For small teams (which do not necessarily have all scores displayed as there are a lot of one- and two-player teams that don't make the ranks), I count only the ones actually on the list. A small simplified example - if the only ranks on the list were 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 9, 11, 12, 18 and 24 that would be ten teams and the #11 would rank 7th of those 10, for a percentile of 40.

The ten scores are added up for all teams that have at least five of the ten games with any placing, yielding the maximum 1000 per month. The ones with fewer are considered to not have participated; I won't embarrass anyone with a 0.68 out of 1000 score simply because that team had one player playing a single hourly game during the month.
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#1240442 - Sun Aug 18 2019 04:05 PM Re: Team of the Year 2019
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Thanks Wes

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#1240443 - Sun Aug 18 2019 04:09 PM Re: Team of the Year 2019
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July scores. No significant surprises...

Code:
1.	The Mossbacks               	1000.00
2.	Worldwide Wizards           	990.24
3.	The Joli Llamas             	981.25
4.	Wisdom of the Fool          	973.17
5.	Faithful and True           	918.63
6.	No Worries!                 	912.52
7.	Old Farts                   	911.17
8.	Kindred Spirits             	908.11
9.	The Cat People              	906.93
10.	The Bee's Knees             	900.12
11.	Pi in the Sky               	890.89
12.	The Calculators             	883.27
13.	The Regal Beagles           	882.91
14.	CLIQUE-KICKERS              	874.28
15.	Funsters                    	852.68
16.	Phoenix Rising              	835.59
17.	The Moops                   	825.80
18.	The Beeronians              	817.93
19.	classicalmusic/mensan       	797.90
20.	The Devious Demons          	777.02
21.	Wandering Quizzers          	758.64
22.	Canadian Players            	752.83
23.	The Internationals          	747.43
24.	Tesla Coil                  	735.82
25.	No Team here...             	733.66
26.	Yorkshire and Proud         	733.46
27.	Best of the West            	717.22
28.	Vixens                      	713.82
29.	The Palmetto Players        	708.06
30.	Dog Park                    	692.37
31.	The Homo Sapiens            	691.50
32.	Mustardlanders              	686.97
33.	Scotland the Brains         	669.89
34.	Rock the Clock              	665.35
35.	Sports Lovers               	662.24
36.	The Devil's Advocates       	656.44
37.	Ultimate Opportunists       	656.31
38.	Australian Players          	638.00
39.	LIGHTHEARTED RETURN         	637.30
40.	Trivia Bubbles              	637.05
41.	Wise & Winsome Night Owls   	625.39
42.	United States of Trivia     	608.88
43.	European Players            	600.63
44.	A JOYFUL NOISE              	598.84
45.	Children of Terra           	595.13
46.	Kilted Kangas               	593.57
47.	Retired And Loving It       	571.90
48.	All 50 States               	567.41
49.	League of Nations           	563.38
50.	The Titans                  	563.31
51.	Triviamanic                 	556.11
52.	Sploofers                   	550.40
53.	The Usual Suspects          	534.34
54.	Writer's Block              	527.36
55.	Age Is Only a Number        	485.45
56.	USA East Coast Players      	476.87
57.	The Great Outdoors          	475.91
58.	Midwest USA Players         	474.20
59.	Hakuna Matata               	471.88
60.	English Group               	471.18
61.	Dynasty Dominators of Death 	454.99
62.	Geographers                 	453.02
63.	Music Moguls                	446.88
64.	Triviabiz                   	444.10
65.	Raised in the Sixties       	429.13
66.	StarStruck                  	422.88
67.	Yes, We're Babes!           	422.72
68.	Quiz Makers Guild           	418.73
69.	Totally Trivia              	399.30
70.	THE CONSERVATIVES           	396.29
71.	South African players       	393.06
72.	MIND OVER MATTER            	390.69
73.	Friends of Jesus            	377.71
74.	DC Team                     	376.79
75.	TV Watchers Anonymous       	375.19
76.	New Zealanders              	366.69
77.	The Scrambled Eggheads      	354.39
78.	The British                 	352.05
79.	Past Times                  	347.71
80.	The CBBers                  	345.88
81.	USA West Coast              	343.80
82.	Romania Team                	336.45
83.	Trivia Garden               	332.98
84.	UnreconstructedHippies      	324.76
85.	Bible Believers Brigade     	320.68
86.	50+ And Proud Of It         	318.20
87.	The Dog People              	313.12
88.	Heaven's Angels             	308.01
89.	Hoi Polloi                  	305.86
90.	The Happy Few               	301.32
91.	Ojibwe Lodge                	282.78
92.	Terra Nova                  	279.22
93.	Roger Delgado Fan Club      	279.10
94.	Hardcore History Gurus      	275.48
95.	Trivia Geeks                	273.71
96.	The Meek Shall Inherit      	273.37
97.	Laid Back Larrikins         	269.66
98.	Supernatural Fans           	263.26
99.	X Squad                     	257.59
100.	Trivia For Adults           	256.53
101.	Washingtonians              	250.85
102.	WWE Champions Team          	249.84
103.	Movie Buffs                 	241.17
104.	Harry Potter Fans           	240.85
105.	Aussies                     	238.64
106.	Bikers                      	230.58
107.	Playing for fun             	227.33
108.	Trivially Challenged        	225.36
109.	WALES                       	220.62
110.	The Lost Connection         	219.71
111.	Canberrans                  	210.24
112.	The White Angels            	209.34
113.	The Divine Comedians        	206.68
114.	THE Baker's Dozen           	204.00
115.	Ultimate Teammates          	197.74
116.	The New England Alliance    	196.74
117.	Inhabitants of Planet Earth 	195.09
118.	British Brains              	194.97
119.	New York State Folks        	188.24
120.	Dream Weavers               	173.51
121.	USS Enterprise              	168.10
122.	Atheist Quizzers            	159.56
123.	The Misplaced               	157.32
124.	The Frost Dragons           	154.10
125.	the banana splits           	133.50
126.	The Movie/Music Lovers      	123.90
127.	THE JOY                     	118.68
128.	Poetic license              	115.29
129.	Indian Gang                 	108.57
130.	Rosie's mother cluckers     	96.63
131.	The Revolutionary           	92.81
132.	Play for Fun                	82.86
133.	Travellers                  	63.12
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#1240444 - Sun Aug 18 2019 04:43 PM Re: Team of the Year 2019
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Thanks for the stats, Wes.

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#1240518 - Mon Aug 19 2019 10:17 AM Re: Team of the Year 2019
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Thank you Wes.

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#1240601 - Tue Aug 20 2019 05:32 PM Re: Team of the Year 2019
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Thanks very much, Wes!

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#1240667 - Wed Aug 21 2019 04:54 AM Re: Team of the Year 2019
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Since Terry has already announced it, I will give a little more info on the new team scoring beginning September - without going into the details:

The new system will replace size-based leagues with performance-based ones. Similar to sports leagues in Europe, there will be several (four to be exact) flights with a championship division at the top and each season will end in promotions and relegations.

A league season will be one month and it will use effectively the same metric as these scores have - daily top 200 placings for the individual games and daily averages for the two main team games will determine your placing for the game and those placings will be added up to determine the overall league standing. The numbers will look different - as scoring no longer needs to take into account division sizes, the placing will be used directly and not be converted into a percentile - but they are effectively the same thing.

A few minor adjustments (number of scoring players per team, mostly) will be made on the games themselves to streamline the system, but you should not note a major change. We might also swap out one or two games (World Quiz and Who am I are my candidates - both are really specialized and additionally, the first disadvantages teams with few Gold Members while the second can create conflict of interest if a player wants to play Easy for a high raw score, e.g. for Everything, but also needs to play Hard for the team) in favor of more general, popular games (daily and hourly mix), but this has not yet finally been decided.

With the new division system being performance-based, the league tables generated every month directly reflect the standings - the winner of the championship flight is already the overall top team. As such, this thread will be retired with the August standings (and a final annual and all-time total table).
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#1240685 - Wed Aug 21 2019 10:50 AM Re: Team of the Year 2019
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Thanks for the info, Wes. I know we'll all be very interested to see how our teams stand at the end of September!

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#1240755 - Wed Aug 21 2019 10:55 PM Re: Team of the Year 2019
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I see we have 4 new hourly games added to the Team Stats on our team page. Is this incidental to the upcoming changes to the team games scoring system and won't be included in monthly stats or will they be included in the final standings?
Thanks.

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#1240796 - Thu Aug 22 2019 12:38 PM Re: Team of the Year 2019
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Originally Posted By: Barbarini
I see we have 4 new hourly games added to the Team Stats on our team page. Is this incidental to the upcoming changes to the team games scoring system and won't be included in monthly stats or will they be included in the final standings?
Thanks.


Came here to mention the same thing. With the TvT talk, is there any more overhaul coming?

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#1240799 - Thu Aug 22 2019 01:50 PM Re: Team of the Year 2019
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While we’re kinda on the topic of new additions to the team page, has there been any thought to reorganizing the team home page so that the list of new badges that team members are getting, is below the team rankings?

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#1240804 - Thu Aug 22 2019 03:28 PM Re: Team of the Year 2019
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Originally Posted By: CoachLamb
While we’re kinda on the topic of new additions to the team page, has there been any thought to reorganizing the team home page so that the list of new badges that team members are getting, is below the team rankings?


Lots of changes to come.

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#1240807 - Thu Aug 22 2019 05:46 PM Re: Team of the Year 2019
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I noticed that fifty-fifty is included with the team rankings. My thought, though is that if only the top 150 or 200 scores are rewarded, the vast majority of these scores will come from the Easier game. Is there a way to either normalize the scores for the difficulty levels or credit the top scores within each difficulty level (and not necessarily go to as many scores in each)?

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#1240809 - Thu Aug 22 2019 06:53 PM Re: Team of the Year 2019
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I'm enjoying the new changes to team rankings, look forward to the rest of them.

Andymuenz if you look closely at the fifty-fifty rankings, it is only counting intermediate and difficult scores.

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#1240810 - Thu Aug 22 2019 08:05 PM Re: Team of the Year 2019
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Originally Posted By: CoachLamb
Andymuenz if you look closely at the fifty-fifty rankings, it is only counting intermediate and difficult scores.


Thanks, CoachLamb. I hadn't checked that carefully since our team didn't have any rankings from yesterday fifty-fifty.

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#1240953 - Sat Aug 24 2019 01:12 AM Re: Team of the Year 2019
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If World Quiz is removed from consideration for Team competition, I fear that may kill the game entirely.
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#1240954 - Sat Aug 24 2019 01:20 AM Re: Team of the Year 2019
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Originally Posted By: WesleyCrusher
With the new division system being performance-based, the league tables generated every month directly reflect the standings - the winner of the championship flight is already the overall top team. As such, this thread will be retired with the August standings (and a final annual and all-time total table).


Will the new charts indicate movement the way you currently do (moving up and down so many spots, etc.)
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#1240955 - Sat Aug 24 2019 05:43 AM Re: Team of the Year 2019
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Originally Posted By: gracious1
If World Quiz is removed from consideration for Team competition, I fear that may kill the game entirely.


This may indicate that the game should be removed if the only reason people play it is obligation. Removing it could mean that we fill its spot in with something people actually want to play instead.
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#1240961 - Sat Aug 24 2019 06:04 AM Re: Team of the Year 2019
KayceeKool Offline
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Registered: Sat Feb 28 2009
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Loc: Hermanus <br> South Africa
Originally Posted By: kyleisalive
Originally Posted By: gracious1
If World Quiz is removed from consideration for Team competition, I fear that may kill the game entirely.


This may indicate that the game should be removed if the only reason people play it is obligation. Removing it could mean that we fill its spot in with something people actually want to play instead.


I, for one, would be very sad to see the World Game disappear. Being able to play it daily is well worth the price of Gold Membership alone.

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